Stevenson - Cloud

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Any thoughts?

I won't be staying up for it but I'll be recording and am looking forward to it, especially as Bomber takes on the winner. I don't really know enough about either other than the obvious power Superman has and the disappointing show Cloud has to come back from last time out.

I'm not sure Tony can best either one tbh but I can't wait to see him have a go.

mobilemaster8 wrote:But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

Mainly Bellew, all over Twitter. Which is why it'll be interesting to seem him pancaked by Stevenson.

Yeah well, if someone claims to be a world champ for long enough without really backing it up they can be shot at. Fair game if you ask me. If Bellew loses to Stevenson he won't be a hype job, it'll be a loss plain and simple.

Maybe a little STC. I do hope that Cleverley comes back and makes a mark on the division, but all the talk about wanting to fight Hopkins, Cloud, Dawson etc and then fighting nurses was beyond the pale. You can point to any one fighter that he challenged and give me excuses on why that individual fight did not happen, but when added together you have to look at the common denominator. He was really the definition of a hype job!

bhb001 wrote:I do hope that Cleverley comes back and makes a mark on the division

I heard that he is seriously considering making his comeback at cruiserweight.

bhb001 wrote:Maybe a little STC. I do hope that Cleverley comes back and makes a mark on the division, but all the talk about wanting to fight Hopkins, Cloud, Dawson etc and then fighting nurses was beyond the pale. You can point to any one fighter that he challenged and give me excuses on why that individual fight did not happen, but when added together you have to look at the common denominator. He was really the definition of a hype job!

His reign as World Champion was disappointing.

Stevenson v Ward.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Stevenson v Ward.

absolute walk in the park for Ward. would expect him to stop him in 5 rounds.

Stevenson cant fight going backwards...if his counter left misses hes backed up. ward would have him pinned against the ropes from the 2nd or 3rd onwards

I dont know if its that obvious...

Ward is not unbeatable, and he has just had surgery, no guarantee he comes back the same. I would think Stevenson needs a KayOh, as I cant see him outboxing Ward for twelve rounds, but Stevenson certainly has the dynamite and speed to get Ward out of there. Ward has fourteen KOs out of 26 fights, I dont know what you saw that makes an early KO a foregone conclusion, Dawson took ten rounds of a beating and still lost more because he was tired of getting his a$$ kicked than because Ward had sufficiently hurt him.

Might be meaningless, as Ward wants to pump the cash cow that is Chavez, cant blame him, as Chavez could come in at 200lbs and Id still back Ward to win via massacre

Lance wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Stevenson v Ward.

absolute walk in the park for Ward. would expect him to stop him in 5 rounds.

Stevenson cant fight going backwards...if his counter left misses hes backed up. ward would have him pinned against the ropes from the 2nd or 3rd onwards

We must have watched a different fight. I'd say one of the things that struck me the most about the fight is that Stevenson fought very effectively going backwards. This surprised me about him.

That said, Ward would destroy him. Different levels. Ward is on a different level to everyone else at 168-175.

And can we stop using the phrase 'hype job' please? It's ridiculous. People are naturally talking about Stevenson and Kovalev because they've been impressive in KOing decent fighters. That does not mean to say that fans should have to caveat every piece of praise or excitement for fear of being slagged off for being on the 'hype train' should they happen to lose at some point.

Ward would be strong favourite against Stevenson, but it's a fight you'd watch. A fast handed banger, would leave you thinking he might have a chance to land one... And ward has been down and on Queer Street before.

milkyboy wrote:...And ward has been down and on Queer Street before.

I thought he was a devout Christian?

milkyboy wrote:Ward would be strong favourite against Stevenson, but it's a fight you'd watch. A fast handed banger, would leave you thinking he might have a chance to land one... And ward has been down and on Queer Street before.

Please don't, you'll get 5 pages of Az and 'chinny'.......

Adonis has been dropped and stopped by limited fighters before, could definitely see an LKO like with the Dawson fight.

.. He thanks god for every rent boy

TopHat24/7 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Ward would be strong favourite against Stevenson, but it's a fight you'd watch. A fast handed banger, would leave you thinking he might have a chance to land one... And ward has been down and on Queer Street before.

Please don't, you'll get 5 pages of Az and 'chinny'.......

Adonis has been dropped and stopped by limited fighters before, could definitely see an LKO like with the Dawson fight.

They were both dropped by the same 'journeyman' toppy. Ward was lucky to see the bell and lucky to get the decision. However, he was young and relatively inexperienced. I'm not saying he's chinny... Just that he can be hurt, so Stevenson would have a punchers chance... If he can land it. Big if.

milkyboy wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Ward would be strong favourite against Stevenson, but it's a fight you'd watch. A fast handed banger, would leave you thinking he might have a chance to land one... And ward has been down and on Queer Street before.

Please don't, you'll get 5 pages of Az and 'chinny'.......

Adonis has been dropped and stopped by limited fighters before, could definitely see an LKO like with the Dawson fight.

They were both dropped by the same 'journeyman' toppy. Ward was lucky to see the bell and lucky to get the decision. However, he was young and relatively inexperienced. I'm not saying he's chinny... Just that he can be hurt, so Stevenson would have a punchers chance... If he can land it. Big if.

Ah, so he was "green" was he? How convenient

I only dared suggest that, whilst truss is away.

Kovalev and Stevenson are past the point of being 'hype jobs', they might end up falling short of their perceived potential but I never understand how that makes somebody a hype job.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Kovalev and Stevenson are past the point of being 'hype jobs', they might end up falling short of their perceived potential but I never understand how that makes somebody a hype job.

Totally agree.

Stevenson proved he has some class to go with this power on Saturday. Kovalev needs to do a little more, but his complete destruction of Campillo and Clev prove he has skills.


Bellewe will get Ko'd by Stevenson. Sad but true. Don't see what he can do to beat him

Stevenson avenged his solo defeat. Quite decisively, imo. I think he can give Ward a fight. I also think he is stronger than Ward which might spoil Wards spoiling tactics

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Kovalev and Stevenson are past the point of being 'hype jobs', they might end up falling short of their perceived potential but I never understand how that makes somebody a hype job.

Totally agree.

Stevenson proved he has some class to go with this power on Saturday. Kovalev needs to do a little more, but his complete destruction of Campillo and Clev prove he has skills.


Bellewe will get Ko'd by Stevenson. Sad but true. Don't see what he can do to beat him

The only three they can really prove themselves against are Hopkins, Ward and Froch who will ask different questions of the pair, can they land against an elusive fighter, can they overcome the spoiling and do they possess true knockout power.

Have to give him massive credit, he really shone on the weekend.

I personally thought he was a one trick pony, but he showed he has far more to his game.

Kovalev vs Stevenson is a mouthwatering showdown as is Pascal vs Stevenson.

Great fights to be made and if Froch/Kessler move up to 175... WOW.

kingraf wrote:Stevenson avenged his solo defeat. Quite decisively, imo. I think he can give Ward a fight. I also think he is stronger than Ward which might spoil Wards spoiling tactics

If Ward moves up to 175 there are loads of great fights to be made.

Apparently he wants the payday that comes with JCC Jr....

Like I said on the Chavez thread - 160-175 is brimming with talent and these are big enough lads for most of them to fight at both without losing too much. Ward is obviously the king of the Hill, but he wants Chavez. This leaves quite a few exciting fights. I think HBO, or ShoBox could do worse than having another Super Six, for both divisions.

Light Heavy:
Stevenson
Popkins
Kovalev
Pascal
Dawson
Bellow

All these lads can fill out 10, 000-seaters, and are decent enough ratings for it to be financially viable.

Hunter was playing down ward going to light heavy in the near future. Shame, as that's definitely where the interesting fights are. Think Stevenson can still make super middle, so guess that's not totally out of the question.

So Ward v Stevenson isn't worth it because Ward is clear favourite. Therefor Ward should either move to heavy or never fight again.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:So Ward v Stevenson isn't worth it because Ward is clear favourite. Therefor Ward should either move to heavy or never fight again.

On the contrary, Stevenson might just be the most intriguing fight Ward could take at the minute. But, there's still a gulf in class between the two. Ward suffers from the same thing as Floyd in that he's too good for his peers. Only Ward can't sell a fight.

Would love to see another super six. It had problems but it seemed to work ok in the end and it felt like there was a decent structure. Every fight meant something without some nonsense belt on the line. Clev in fir Bellew though.

At the end of the day we ended up with some quality match ups

Abraham vs Taylor
Froch vs Dirrell
Kessler vs Ward
Froch vs Abraham
Ward vs Froch
Dirrell vs Abraham
Kessler vs Froch

I can't imagine all of those happening without the super six format, down at bantamweight they had a similar one with Mares, Darchinyan, Perez and Agbeko.

kingraf wrote:Like I said on the Chavez thread - 160-175 is brimming with talent and these are big enough lads for most of them to fight at both without losing too much. Ward is obviously the king of the Hill, but he wants Chavez. This leaves quite a few exciting fights. I think HBO, or ShoBox could do worse than having another Super Six, for both divisions.

Light Heavy:
Stevenson
Popkins
Kovalev
Pascal
Dawson
Bellow

All these lads can fill out 10, 000-seaters, and are decent enough ratings for it to be financially viable.

Lose Hopkins. He is too stinky and greedy. Froch or Bute would be letter.

Hopkins is a name though. Spoiled for choice really and plenty of options should someone drop out. All pie in the sky unfortunately.

to be honest only Hopkins, Pascal and possibly Stevenson can fill out 10,000 seaters on that list. Kovalev and Dawson? must be a joke

Hopkins is a name but not a draw

Sold 12,000 tickets against Cloud which isn't bad going.

catchweight wrote:Hopkins is a name but not a draw

think you are wrong on that one

sold over 10,000 against Ornelas. did good numbers on tv too. And that's his smallest fight for several years

We we will see what he draws against Murat.

catchweight wrote:We we will see what he draws against Murat.

booked the boardwalk hall. his favoured hunting ground, so no signs of his sales being in recline

Lance wrote:

catchweight wrote:We we will see what he draws against Murat.

booked the boardwalk hall. his favoured hunting ground, so no signs of his sales being in recline

His sales have never been that good when he has to sell a fight himself. He usually relies on his opponent selling the fight. I imagine they will be handing out tickets with buffet coupons in the casinos for this one.

Anything to back that up?

Yes his fights stink. They will be giving away tickets for his next fight for free. Against Dawson his fight did 40k PPV buys with only about 8,000 people in attendance and that was when they were literally giving away tickets for free in the run up to the fight.

catchweight wrote:Yes his fights stink. They will be giving away tickets for his next fight for free. Against Dawson his fight did 40k PPV buys with only about 8,000 people in attendance and that was when they were literally giving away tickets for free in the run up to the fight.

you are making up lies to try and convince yourself that your view is correct. you think he stinks, fair enough. you say his opponents sell the fights and tickets are given away free??? absolute bull!

I was at the staples centre for the first Dawson fight, and the touts were doin good business, certainly no tickets going for free, and the arena was full! why would his team pay for the Boardwalk just to give out free tickets? especially for a guy doin poor numbers on tv?? doesn't add up. Its not enough for you to dislike him is it, you have to justify it, even if it means making random stuff up

Lance wrote:

catchweight wrote:Yes his fights stink. They will be giving away tickets for his next fight for free. Against Dawson his fight did 40k PPV buys with only about 8,000 people in attendance and that was when they were literally giving away tickets for free in the run up to the fight.

you are making up lies to try and convince yourself that your view is correct. you think he stinks, fair enough. you say his opponents sell the fights and tickets are given away free??? absolute bull!

I was at the staples centre for the first Dawson fight, and the touts were doin good business, certainly no tickets going for free, and the arena was full! why would his team pay for the Boardwalk just to give out free tickets? especially for a guy doin poor numbers on tv?? doesn't add up. Its not enough for you to dislike him is it, you have to justify it, even if it means making random stuff up

Sorry but if you think Old Man Hopkins is a draw you must have your head up your ass. Staples Centre Capacity for boxing contests: 21,000. Attendance for Dawson v Hopkins: 8,500. PPV buys: A pathetic 40,000. To put it some perspective, when Mosley fought Margarito there the attendance was 21,000 on the night. Sounds like you are the one lying if you think a less than half full capacity arena was "full". The only time a Hopkins fight will do well is when his opponent can draw. He cant draw on his own because he is a stinker.

You have a real bee in your bonnet about Hopkins, a stinker who in fact rarely stinks.

Ive watched him wrestle, low blow and headbutt his way through enough fights to know he stinks plenty

You should probably rewatch some of his fights because you're talking rubbish.

Nah they stink so bad I wouldnt go near them

Hopkins is becoming a bit of a Marmite fighter these days; you either see him as a hoary, dull spoiler who has made a career out of stinking the joint out, or you see him as a tactical master whose genius is often so subtle it doesn't garner the acclaim it should!

I guess I'd have to be boring and fall in the middle of all that. There's no doubt that Hopkins knows all the old tricks and has turned in some absolute stinkers over the years; Echols, Taylor, Calzaghe, Dawson etc. But to balance that out he's been involved in some very enjoyable fights (or put on good value performances) against Johnson, Trinidad, Pascal etc.

I actually thought the Cloud fight earlier this year was one of Bernard's better, more entertaining efforts in recent years. A lot more active than I thought he'd be, and doing a lot less spoiling and fouling, too (granted, Cloud isn't right out of the top drawer, but still).

You just never quite know with Hopkins, that's the thing. He has a habit, when you're expecting one thing from him, to go and do something completely different.

88Chris05 wrote:Hopkins is becoming a bit of a Marmite fighter these days; you either see him as a hoary, dull spoiler who has made a career out of stinking the joint out, or you see him as a tactical master whose genius is often so subtle it doesn't garner the acclaim it should!

I guess I'd have to be boring and fall in the middle of all that. There's no doubt that Hopkins knows all the old tricks and has turned in some absolute stinkers over the years; Echols, Taylor, Calzaghe, Dawson etc. But to balance that out he's been involved in some very enjoyable fights (or put on good value performances) against Johnson, Trinidad, Pascal etc.

I actually thought the Cloud fight earlier this year was one of Bernard's better, more entertaining efforts in recent years. A lot more active than I thought he'd be, and doing a lot less spoiling and fouling, too (granted, Cloud isn't right out of the top drawer, but still).

You just never quite know with Hopkins, that's the thing. He has a habit, when you're expecting one thing from him, to go and do something completely different.

In fairness to the Old Stinker, he has turned in some genuinely good technical displays albeit against more one dimensional opponents like Pavlik, Trinidad and Tarver. But Im not having watching him foul his way through fights as being a technical masterclass. A masterclass in spoiling maybe, but not in boxing. There was no boxing wizardry in many of stinky displays. It was just spoiling.

I suppose you come across as a bit of a child with the use of the word stinky, it's a very immature way of putting your point across.

Sue me

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