Stevenson - Cloud

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Any thoughts?

I won't be staying up for it but I'll be recording and am looking forward to it, especially as Bomber takes on the winner. I don't really know enough about either other than the obvious power Superman has and the disappointing show Cloud has to come back from last time out.

I'm not sure Tony can best either one tbh but I can't wait to see him have a go.

kingraf wrote:I think he was holding back tbh, Stevenson said multiple times this week that he was going to show off his skills. Plus he messed his face up real bad.

Whatever he said in the run up to the fight, I don't buy this.

You've just become world champion, you have a hard first defence against a tough guy who's mixed at a higher level than you. The fight is considered a pick em. So, you're strategy is to carry him for a few rounds to show the world you can box... When the world doesn't care anyway and would rather you knocked the guy out.

Think it's more likely that he knew he was in with a durable guy, who might take him 12 rounds... and a guy who could hurt him if he got careless. So he did his usual pot shotting with the left hand, whilst pacing himself and being a bit more circumspect than usual.

Cloud is confused by linear movement to be honest, Campillo and Hopkins both exposed that. However, Stevenson looked phenomenal last night, quick, powerful and much better at picking his shots than I originally had thought.

Oh, Tony... How long can you last?

A lot of Canadians genuinely cared Milky, and to be fair he was taunting him from the 2nd round...

Don't think he carried him on purpose though, mind.

Get back to work Huck. Dont wanna have to keep telling you

No work today =)

AlexHuckerby wrote:No work today =)

Ah ok. Thought on a day off you and your other half went shopping for some 'super' clothes followed by half a shandy down the X Club

Had 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off. Awesomes...

AlexHuckerby wrote:Had 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off. Awesomes...

Thats called being sacked I think...

AlexHuckerby wrote:A lot of Canadians genuinely cared Milky, and to be fair he was taunting him from the 2nd round...

They cared he won, not that he showed he was floyd mayweather. In fact I think his corner told him to up the work rate as the fans were expecting a knock out.

My take is he taunted him, because he is a) a tool, b) there were question marks over cloud's self belief after the Bhop fight.

Steffan wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Had 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off. Awesomes...

Thats called being sacked I think...

Or being a student, Steffan

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Thanks for the spoiler warning

In fairness, logging on to a boxing forum and reading a thread titled "Stevenson - Cloud" is not the brightest thing to be doing if you don't want to know the result of a boxing match between Stevenson and Cloud.

milkyboy wrote:

Steffan wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Had 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off. Awesomes...

Thats called being sacked I think...

Or being a student, Steffan

Yeah I know all about that. Im in tomorrow and tuesday then I got the rest of the week off

Well when you have an hour's lecture on a Monday and a 45 minute seminar on a Tuesday, you need a few days recuperation mate.

Union Cane wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Thanks for the spoiler warning

In fairness, logging on to a boxing forum and reading a thread titled "Stevenson - Cloud" is not the brightest thing to be doing if you don't want to know the result of a boxing match between Stevenson and Cloud.

It wasnt called "Stevenson - Cloud" it was called "Superman Proves He Is The Real Deal" which got merged with this "Stevenson - Cloud" article if you had actually bothered to go back and check the posting history of this thread...

Union Cane wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Thanks for the spoiler warning

In fairness, logging on to a boxing forum and reading a thread titled "Stevenson - Cloud" is not the brightest thing to be doing if you don't want to know the result of a boxing match between Stevenson and Cloud.

The title is/was Superman proves to be the real thing or something akin to that so when he loaded up the main sport forum it might have shown up on there.

Superman Proves He Is The Real Deal
Post by mobilemaster8 Today at 10:17

This got merged with this thread. So a title without a spoiler warning was in action

Silly by mobilemaster to call it that really. As is Soldier of Fortune for logging into the forum not wanting to know the result and was Cane to try and make a clever comment when he has the situation totally wrong...

In short...all 3 of you suck

I stand by the first part of my comment.

Soldier of Fortune is dumb il say for the guy

Steffan wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

Steffan wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Had 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off, and next week got another 5 days off. Awesomes...

Thats called being sacked I think...

Or being a student, Steffan

Yeah I know all about that. Im in tomorrow and tuesday then I got the rest of the week off

Ha, just taken holiday days to be honest.

Ahhhh sorry gents had been on holiday for a week so the rules slipped my mind momentarily. Whoops.

Cloud was poor. Some people are getting a bit carried away.

Credit to Stevenson for a good performance, he showed some skills too, but Cloud was coming back from being BHop'd. A lot of fighters are never the same after being humiliated by Hopkins. Cloud looks like he falls into that category. Cloud's never really been a top level fighter anyway, his best win was against a faded Clinton Woods. So not that impressive a win for Stevenson.

His other big win was catching Chad Dawson cold. Chad Dawson who had himself been stopped by Ward in his previous fight. All Stevenson showed in that fight was a big left hand, which we already knew about.

Stevenson is an awkward southpaw with some decent skills, and he does have power. I think Bellew has enough skills to deal with that. If he boxes sensibly, keeps it at range and doesn't get involved in a tear up, I think he can beat Stevenson.

funny, that. They said the same about Cloud

Bellew isn't Cloud.

Cloud was poor and offered nothing, so it is still difficult to say whether Stevenson is all that.

I enjoyed the French commentary, "Wooaah, une grand goache du Superman!" etc...

Did I see that Stevenson is now considered to hold the lineal/linear light heavyweight title? How do they work that out?

Union Cane wrote:Cloud was poor and offered nothing, so it is still difficult to say whether Stevenson is all that.

I enjoyed the French commentary, "Wooaah, une grand goache du Superman!" etc...

Did I see that Stevenson is now considered to hold the lineal/linear light heavyweight title? How do they work that out?

He beat Dawson, Dawson beat Bhop?

Union Cane wrote:I stand by the first part of my comment.

Never really understood why someone would log into a boxing forum the morning after a big fight if they don't want to know the results. It is a little bit retarded.

STC wrote:

Union Cane wrote:Cloud was poor and offered nothing, so it is still difficult to say whether Stevenson is all that.

I enjoyed the French commentary, "Wooaah, une grand goache du Superman!" etc...

Did I see that Stevenson is now considered to hold the lineal/linear light heavyweight title? How do they work that out?

He beat Dawson, Dawson beat Bhop?

So he can trace his title all the way back to Jean Pascal. Kind of pointless, really.

Cant see Bellew beating Stevenson. I like Bellew but I just don't think he's good enough to compete with Stevenson. Probably a tier below like Cleverly and Cloud.

STC cloud is better than Bellew so that argument made no sense.

Bellew surel doesn't have enough pop to bother Stevenson whereas Superman has plenty. I can't see how Tony can win out there, he'll have to turn in the performance of his life to get the KO.

mobilemaster8 wrote:STC cloud is better than Bellew so that argument made no sense.

In your opinion Cloud is better than Bellew.

KingMonkey wrote:Bellew surel doesn't have enough pop to bother Stevenson....

Stevenson has been stopped before and Bellew has stopped plenty of opponents.

Cloud would outbox him and out match him in every area. Bellew is very poor and is a European level fighter at the very best, his past 3 or so performances have shown us that.

I really don't see that Bellew's alleged power carries itself up to world level. He's a big guy, they all are at LHW but that's about it. Nothing special in that regard and certainly not enough for Stevenson to think that he won't take one in order to get his own in.

Tony will be on the back foot from the bell, he'll have to be. And after going behind he'll need to come forward. I see it going the same way as Cloud's effort.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Cloud would outbox him and out match him in every area. Bellew is very poor and is a European level fighter at the very best, his past 3 or so performances have shown us that.

It remains to be seen whether or not Bellew can cut it at world level. He did ok against Cleverly. His last two performances weren't great, but Chilemba is a decent level of opponent and is awkward. Bellew struggled to look good against him but he got the job done.

Don't see how Cloud would outbox him and out match him in every area. I don't know what your basing that on.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

Doing "ok" against Cleverley shows nothing based on cleverleys opposition. He fought a genuine fighter and got taken out early in his first ever fight at world level.

Chilemba isn't really a world ranked operator. Given he is decent, but to mix with cloud, Pascal, Bute, bhop, Stevenson then you need to really despatch the chilembas and cleverleys of this world, IMO.

Like cloud did to Campillo not to mention being outfoxed by Mack.

I'd wager that 'despatching' Chilemba would be a very tough job. The bloke is slippery so Bomber did a decent enough job in the end. Stevenson though, in Montreal.... Doesn't get much tougher in many divisions than that.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Doing "ok" against Cleverley shows nothing based on cleverleys opposition. He fought a genuine fighter and got taken out early in his first ever fight at world level.

Chilemba isn't really a world ranked operator. Given he is decent, but to mix with cloud, Pascal, Bute, bhop, Stevenson then you need to really despatch the chilembas and cleverleys of this world, IMO.

Like I said, it remains to be seen whether or not Bellew can cut it at world level. He certainly deserves his opportunity.

Sometimes fighters need an opportunity. Stevenson got the opportunity against Dawson and took it. He's now beaten a very average looking Cloud and all of a sudden he's the "real deal".

Id say he is probably the real deal given he sparked out a very good fighter in Dawson in around 60 seconds, followed by a hammering of Cloud who many had as a favourite to actually knock Stevenson out.

Andre Ward was given his due for stopping Dawson late on, but nobody has done what Adonis has to him.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Id say he is probably the real deal given he sparked out a very good fighter in Dawson in around 60 seconds, followed by a hammering of Cloud who many had as a favourite to actually knock Stevenson out.

Andre Ward was given his due for stopping Dawson late on, but nobody has done what Adonis has to him.

Ward wasn't given as much credit as he might have deserved due to Dawson cutting so much weight to make SMW. Stevenson caught him cold. Props for the win but Dawson coming off a KO loss is relevant. As is Cloud coming off a loss to BHOP. Favourite or not, Cloud was poor.

Put Stevenson in with Kovalev to see if he's the real deal or not. He still has a lot to prove.

But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

I think he needs to take on Bhop yo prove how good he is.

In terms of a pure all out bang fest, id like him with Kovalev.

mobilemaster8 wrote:But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

no, Kovalev is a Bandwagon, there is a difference i think...

mobilemaster8 wrote:But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

I think he needs to take on Bhop yo prove how good he is.

In terms of a pure all out bang fest, id like him with Kovalev.

To be fair to Kovalev he took out an undefeated world champion in his back yard and looked very impressive in doing so. A hype job would have been exposed in the ring with Cleverly. The exact opposite happened.

Kovalev v Stevenson would be very interesting.

STC wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

I think he needs to take on Bhop yo prove how good he is.

In terms of a pure all out bang fest, id like him with Kovalev.

To be fair to Kovalev he took out an undefeated world champion in his back yard and looked very impressive in doing so. A hype job would have been exposed in the ring with Cleverly. The exact opposite happened.

Kovalev v Stevenson would be very interesting.

A hype job was exposed in the ring that night. It just wasn't Kovalev.

Kovalev vs Stevenson should be a cracker

bhb001 wrote:

STC wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:But isn't Kovalev a hype job as many stated??

I think he needs to take on Bhop yo prove how good he is.

In terms of a pure all out bang fest, id like him with Kovalev.

To be fair to Kovalev he took out an undefeated world champion in his back yard and looked very impressive in doing so. A hype job would have been exposed in the ring with Cleverly. The exact opposite happened.

Kovalev v Stevenson would be very interesting.

A hype job was exposed in the ring that night. It just wasn't Kovalev.

Kovalev vs Stevenson should be a cracker

A little bit unfair.

STC wrote:
Stevenson is an awkward southpaw with some decent skills, and he does have power. I think Bellew has enough skills to deal with that. If he boxes sensibly, keeps it at range and doesn't get involved in a tear up, I think he can beat Stevenson.

I think he has the same chance against Adonis as Fury has/had against Haye. Yes he 'may' last it out a nick a tight points decision, but in reality he'll be lucky to hear the end of the 3rd round.

Its a pity that no one can just lose anymore, they have to then be a hype job!

TopHat24/7 wrote:

STC wrote:
Stevenson is an awkward southpaw with some decent skills, and he does have power. I think Bellew has enough skills to deal with that. If he boxes sensibly, keeps it at range and doesn't get involved in a tear up, I think he can beat Stevenson.

I think he has the same chance against Adonis as Fury has/had against Haye.  Yes he 'may' last it out a nick a tight points decision, but in reality he'll be lucky to hear the end of the 3rd round.

In 'reality' we'll have to wait and see what happens.