Khan v Mayweather - 5th May 2014 - EDIT: THIS FIGHT IS ON

by Strongback Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:56 pm

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2014-05-03 Floyd Mayweather Jr 45(26)-0-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 12
WBC welterweight title
bout subject to change & commission approval

I wonder where Boxrec get their info? They do call some fights that don't get made Anyone think this one is a goer.

I have a feeling Khan is next for Money May. I thought the fight might have been in the UK but I don't know what the BBBofC rules are on injecting pain killers. Floyd talking about fighting in the UK may just have been to stir up interest and gauge the reaction.

Anyway, Khan is often suggested as being the man with the foot speed and fast hands to trouble Mayweather. Can Virgil Hunter be the man to finally put together a plan that Khan is able to understand and stick to?

The first few rounds could be interesting.

by kingraf Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:21 pm

Losing about four simultaneously at the moment...

by hogey Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:21 pm

Az you really do go out of your way to make any utter div of yourself, do yourself a favour and grow up a bit because you might think you sound smart on here, but you really do not.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:22 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
azania wrote:
Rowley wrote:Whether it should be legalised is a completely subjective view, fact is it isn't and as such there is an illegal trade in it which results in deaths. Perhaps Ricky thinks coke should be legalised, applying what appears to be your logic if he does he is exempted from any guilt about the people who die to give him his fix and therefore is not vile.
You make a very good point and one I will concede on.

First time I have conceded an argument here.
But about the thousandth time you've lost one...........

This is my sole loss. Very Happy

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:23 pm

kingraf wrote:Losing about four simultaneously at the moment...

What are the other 3?

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:24 pm

hogey wrote:Az you really do go out of your way to make any utter div of yourself, do yourself a favour and grow up a bit because you might think you sound smart on here, but you really do not.

Do shut up......please.

by hogey Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:26 pm

Take your own advise, because 90% of the board would enjoy the relief from your attention seeking nonsense.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:28 pm

You certainly do seeing as you respond to my posts. Do yourself a favour and use the foe option. It helps apparently.

by Steffan Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:31 pm

hogey wrote:Take your own advise, because 90% of the board would enjoy the relief from your attention seeking nonsense

Rowley wrote:Can we all ease up on telling or suggesting people should leave the board if they have the temerity to disagree with you or express their argument in a manner you don't agree with. That is my job round here

by TopHat24/7 Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:34 pm

azania wrote:You certainly do seeing as you respond to my posts. Do yourself a favour and use the foe option. It helps apparently.

Always happy to hand out the advice but never happy to take it, hey Az?

If everyone took that nugget of advice you'd have nobody left to talk to. Other than maybe YDKSAB.

Still, I disagree with Hogey, it's always entertaining to read your racially-motivated ramblings and squirming. I say carry on.....

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:34 pm

by hogey Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:35 pm

I respond because you just make stuff, lie and come out with outrageous nonsense to try to make your limited knowledge appear greater than it is. You are becoming a complete caricature of yourself. Like i said the other day when you were BSing about Tyson Fury you are just like Saddam's propaganda minister Comical Ali who will say that the earth in square just to fit your usually flawed opinion. I will say no more to you on the subject on this thread though and will just wait for more of your childish nonsense on another topic, i dare say i wont have to wait long.

by Rowley Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:36 pm

Steffan wrote:
hogey wrote:Take your own advise, because 90% of the board would enjoy the relief from your attention seeking nonsense
Rowley wrote:Can we all ease up on telling or suggesting people should leave the board if they have the temerity to disagree with you or express their argument in a manner you don't agree with. That is my job round here

Never thought I'd say it Steffan but there is only you that behaves round here. We really must be screwed!

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:37 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
azania wrote:You certainly do seeing as you respond to my posts. Do yourself a favour and use the foe option. It helps apparently.
Always happy to hand out the advice but never happy to take it, hey Az?

If everyone took that nugget of advice you'd have nobody left to talk to. Other than maybe YDKSAB.

Still, I disagree with Hogey, it's always entertaining to read your racially-motivated ramblings and squirming. I say carry on.....

Playing the sad victim agaion Toppy. You poor man. I always figured you for someone with a pair and not a pair of t!ts.

Either back up your accusation or withdraw it. I suggest you won't do either. Or more accurately can't. Lumbering Jack tried it and failed miserably.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:38 pm

hogey wrote:I respond because you just make stuff, lie and come out with outrageous nonsense to try to make your limited knowledge appear greater than it is. You are becoming a complete caricature of yourself. Like i said the other day when you were BSing about Tyson Fury you are just like Saddam's propaganda minister Comical Ali who will say that the earth in square just to fit your usually flawed opinion. I will say no more to you on the subject on this thread though and will just wait for more of your childish nonsense on another topic, i dare say i wont have to wait long.

Thankfully.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:39 pm

I grew up learning about the Alamo although I often daydreamed in class.......

I imagine it was something like this............

by Steffan Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:44 pm

Rowley wrote:Never thought I'd say it Steffan but there is only you that behaves round here. We really must be screwed!

I know Jeff. Im a reformed character though. Worst thing with these lot is I keep telling them not to play so rough or someone is gonna end up crying. Then dont listen though...

by TopHat24/7 Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:51 pm

azania wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
azania wrote:You certainly do seeing as you respond to my posts. Do yourself a favour and use the foe option. It helps apparently.
Always happy to hand out the advice but never happy to take it, hey Az?

If everyone took that nugget of advice you'd have nobody left to talk to. Other than maybe YDKSAB.

Still, I disagree with Hogey, it's always entertaining to read your racially-motivated ramblings and squirming. I say carry on.....
Playing the sad victim agaion Toppy. You poor man. I always figured you for someone with a pair and not a pair of t!ts.

Either back up your accusation or withdraw it. I suggest you won't do either. Or more accurately can't. Lumbering Jack tried it and failed miserably.

I think the Court of Public (606 forum) Opinion will find me not guilty fairly easy enough. Afterall, you accused all of us of being racists because we had the temerity to suggest Khan had a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Race is a consistent and everlasting theme running throughout your posting history on this forum and you'll find few on here that disagree.

Not playing the victim, was quite clear I am, as always, enjoying the show. Dance for me....

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:55 pm

Nope. I didn't accuse all of you of being racist. I said much of the dislike of Khan was because of his ethnicity. Why YOU take it as accusation to all is an issue you have to deal with.

YOU make race the issue. Like your Chisora and Khan comparison but forgetting that I support Fury over Chisora and Khan over Floyd (who incidentally is the same ethnicity as myself). Now I suggest you utilise the God's gift that is the English language and learn to understand before making assumptions. Because as you should know assumptions start with ASS and followed by U.

by Boxtthis Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:57 pm

azania wrote:
Rowley wrote:Whether it should be legalised is a completely subjective view, fact is it isn't and as such there is an illegal trade in it which results in deaths. Perhaps Ricky thinks coke should be legalised, applying what appears to be your logic if he does he is exempted from any guilt about the people who die to give him his fix and therefore is not vile.
You make a very good point and one I will concede on.

First time I have conceded an argument here.

I was wondering if this was going to happen. You've been tying yourself in knots with ridiculous statements on this thread. it really was time to give up.

by Steffan Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:59 pm

Without bringing ethnicity into it I must admit that I think if Khan was a Ricky Hatton type 'Lad down the pub who likes football and drinking and kebabs' type person he would be more popular

by Boxtthis Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:06 pm

azania wrote:Nope. I didn't accuse all of you of being racist. I said much of the dislike of Khan was because of his ethnicity. Why YOU take it as accusation to all is an issue you have to deal with.

You said that to a group of people on this forum who were saying that they disliked Khan. So, its a pretty clear insinuation. Really pathetic of you to try and dance your way around it by insisting people take a literal translation of your words. That's clearly not how conversation/interaction/arguments work between modern humans. You trying to pretend otherwise just to win an argument makes you look really, really silly.

by TopHat24/7 Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:10 pm

Steffan wrote:Without bringing ethnicity into it I must admit that I think if Khan was a Ricky Hatton type 'Lad down the pub who likes football and drinking and kebabs' type person he would be more popular

Not a problem Steffan, your post is totally race/ethnicity neutral. All your saying is if Khan had the same personality as Hatton he'd have been more popular, I'd postulate that's because more people would be able to identify with him.

The Az spin on your post though would be Khan is less popular because he is Muslim and people like Duty don't consider him British.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:12 pm

Boxtthis wrote:
azania wrote:Nope. I didn't accuse all of you of being racist. I said much of the dislike of Khan was because of his ethnicity. Why YOU take it as accusation to all is an issue you have to deal with.
You said that to a group of people on this forum who were saying that they disliked Khan. So, its a pretty clear insinuation. Really pathetic of you to try and dance your way around it by insisting people take a literal translation of your words. That's clearly not how conversation/interaction/arguments work between modern humans. You trying to pretend otherwise just to win an argument makes you look really, really silly.

Well if someone says Khan should be Duk Koo Kim'd and he should P@K it in, with others laughing and backslapping said poster, is that not a group? But is that all people? Do you think that there is a slight racial element there? If not then I will happily concede and start calling travellers pikeys, which one poster thinks that is acceptable.

You tell me.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:15 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Without bringing ethnicity into it I must admit that I think if Khan was a Ricky Hatton type 'Lad down the pub who likes football and drinking and kebabs' type person he would be more popular
Not a problem Steffan, your post is totally race/ethnicity neutral. All your saying is if Khan had the same personality as Hatton he'd have been more popular, I'd postulate that's because more people would be able to identify with him.

The Az spin on your post though would be Khan is less popular because he is Muslim and people like Duty don't consider him British.

Duty is an irrelevance. A total non entiry. Khan can never be one of the lads drinking himself into a stupor because he doesn't drink. Neither does Floyd. But there is an anti muslim sentiment running through this country lead by semi sober knuckle draggers. Unfortunately their more articulate members who are the UKIP type try to intellectualise their bigotry and open themselves as fools when they privately put their feet in their mouth (as if facebook can be private).

Also I have never said the majority. In fact the majority of sobver minded people support Khan. They make the majority of this country also.

by Steffan Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:21 pm

I still did find it baffling when we went through a period on here where people were picking Kell Brook to beat Amir Khan if they fought

Love or hate Khan he has tested himself against top 10 opponents over the last few years regardless of the result

Brook has tested himself against the top 10 Polish binmen and although he didnt look that great against the mighty Carson Jones (who I think Brook should fight at least 10 times in his career) the guy clearly has all the attributes to destroy Khan

I think once Khan has fought the best P4P fighter of the last 10 years and Brook has fought Vyacheslav Senchenko who at 36 has only the won loss and has even fought 3 times outside of the Ukraine they should settle this 'Who is the best' once and for all boxing

by Rowley Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:22 pm

Think we would being naïve to suggest some people don’t like Khan for his ethnicity because to do so would be to assume nobody is racist, which unfortunately is most assuredly not the case. However at the other end of the spectrum to suggest anyone who criticizes Khan does so for his ethnicity is lazy stereotyping of the worst kind.

I personally don’t mind the kid. He is normally in entertaining fights and always wants to fight the best and in stuff like giving Gallagher use of his gym it is clear his heart is in the right place. However there no denying he has done plenty that could make you dislike the kid. Early in his career his dismissal of domestic rivals and good solid pros like Thaxton and Murray was high handed and superior in the extreme and at the time his attitude was largely unwarranted by his performances in the ring at the time.

He also did himself absolutely no favours with pushing to go onto PPV so early in his career, when again his performances in the ring did little to justify such billing. He is also responsible for some pretty dumb comments through twitter and the press. However as I have said frequently would not like to think everything that spewed out of my mouth in my early 20s was going to be forensically analysed because like most young men I did not know my arse from my elbow.

However as I say genuinely think the kid means well. Funnily enough went to an evening with Evander Holyfield the other day and the guy sat next to me knew Khan well and he could not speak highly enough of him. Said he was approachable, friendly and genuinely could not do enough for fans who met him.

by Scottrf Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:25 pm

When you can leave out the fact that he was the main factor of a man's death, the reasons to dislike column is big enough.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:27 pm

Rowley not once have I said that all criticism of Khan is based on his race. Some fools want to spin it that way for their own motives which is cheap point scoring.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:28 pm

Scottrf wrote:When you can leave out the fact that he was the main factor of a man's death, the reasons to dislike column is big enough.

It's massive.

by Boxtthis Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:29 pm

azania wrote:
Boxtthis wrote:
azania wrote:Nope. I didn't accuse all of you of being racist. I said much of the dislike of Khan was because of his ethnicity. Why YOU take it as accusation to all is an issue you have to deal with.
You said that to a group of people on this forum who were saying that they disliked Khan. So, its a pretty clear insinuation. Really pathetic of you to try and dance your way around it by insisting people take a literal translation of your words. That's clearly not how conversation/interaction/arguments work between modern humans. You trying to pretend otherwise just to win an argument makes you look really, really silly.
Well if someone says Khan should be Duk Koo Kim'd and he should P@K it in, with others laughing and backslapping said poster, is that not a group? But is that all people? Do you think that there is a slight racial element there? If not then I will happily concede and start calling travellers pikeys, which one poster thinks that is acceptable.

You tell me.

Completely irrelevant to what you or I said. I have no intention of trying to defend or detract from insulting things that other people said on here ages ago. I simply wanted to call you out on your ridiculous arguing style. Even now - because you can't possible have a logical response - you try to move the goal posts and get me to comment on another topic entirely. I mean, your response basically says 'yes, I was calling them racist for saying these things', which is exactly what you were doing. And you were right to say that in these instances. It's ridiculous that you'd try to deny this simply to try and win a point.

I refuse to believe that you are so stupid that you aren't doing this on purpose. But, even as a deliberate wind up, it's really cr@p.

by Scottrf Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:29 pm

azania wrote:It's massive.

I dunno, haven't seen the webcam pictures.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:32 pm

Toppy has. He's always going on about it

by kingraf Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:29 pm

If Guerrero couldn't ship a million PPV's (by the way anyone else notice how quick the Canelo nrs came out, while the Guerrerounds fight is still "Probably a million"?), I would love to see Floyd convince two million suckers that Khan is worth shelling $75 on. I mean, I''ll watch, but only because it's free in South Africa

by Rowley Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:35 pm

Always amuses me that Raf and is exactly the same in the UK. When the Khan fight against Prescott was rumoured to have done less than 50,000 Sky refuse to discuss PPV numbers and never publish them etc. when Haye Valuev did well the numbers are inexplicably leaked by mystery sources in Murdoch owned papers.

by ONETWOFOREVER Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:50 pm

I think we all should admit that this fight has nothing to do with Khans popularity. I will admit that this is a gimme fight on the part of Floyd after taking on the brightest young prospect in Canelo albeit at catchweight. Floyd has cherry picked Khan. The obvious choice would/should be Garcia. That fight will have no problems selling. Peurto rico v America basically it would do huge numbers.

by Atila Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:03 pm

Why do so many of you have a problem with this fight? Pacquiao fought Clottey who was coming of a loss and no one seemed to complain. Also Mosley hadn't won a fight in two years when he fought Pac. I think Zab Judah fought Floyd after a loss?

Floyd v Khan isn't the worst matchmaking I've ever seen...far from it.

by catchweight Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:07 pm

Pretty sure when the Clottey fight was announced people took a dump on it.

by KingMonkey Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:16 pm

Not sure about that. I thought the Clottey fight was fairly well received. The fact that Clottey went on to stink the place out has left a sour taste.

Khan's last three fights have been nothing short of disastrous. I think that's the issue with him fighting Floyd next.

by azania Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:22 pm

It's a double edged sword. Both guys are marmite characters. Qith Floyd the bar is set ridiculously high. Every champ has a freebee. Some made a career out of it. Floyd has to beat godzilla before some gives him his dues.

by KingMonkey Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:36 pm

If the fight was in the UK I'd see the logic regardless of Khan being non deserving but at the MGM its all but pointless.

by John Bloody Wayne Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:32 pm

Pacquiao's opposition has been absolutely torn apart for his career above 135 and had it all labelled as a joke on these very boards.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:58 am

azania wrote:It's a double edged sword. Both guys are marmite characters. Qith Floyd the bar is set ridiculously high. Every champ has a freebee. Some made a career out of it. Floyd has to beat godzilla before some gives him his dues.

You don't mean guys like Leonard who defended against Dave Boy Green, Bruce Finch and was about to fight Roger Stafford do you..

how dare you...............Or hagler who defended against 9 stiffs and a decent Sibson and quality Hearns........

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:10 am

There is nothing wrong with Mayweather defending against Khan, the issue is that it will be a PPV fight and Mayweather will still be earning $30mil for it, when Leonard, Hagler, Ali and others defended against opposition below the top tier their purses highlighted that.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:11 am

Couldn't agree more.......Khan is as good as anybody out there........

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:15 am

He is and he isn't Truss, he has attributes that Mayweather hasn't faced for a while but i'd back a fair few to beat him. He doesn't appear to be a top level welterweight but his weaknesses ironically won't be exploited by Mayweather to the extent a Matthyse or Garcia would.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:18 am

That's what I mean Mate.........Better fighters out there but not that can cause as many problems..

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:20 am

Which is why I can understand the criticism, the average fan isn't going to consider Khans attributes. They're going to look at his record and see 2 losses in his last four and getting dropped by a former lightweight.

by azania Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:31 am

Most just want to see Floyd in a good fight. The outcome is inevitable regardless of who he fights.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:33 am

No most want to see him lose Az........and when he wins no matter who he beats they trash them.......

"Alvarez is a no mark" now..

by Hammersmith harrier Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:37 am

Don't be silly now Truss, you eulogise all his wins to an almost godlike level and then misinterpret any body countering you, from what i've seen only two people have called Alvarez a no mark neither of whom i'd take too seriously.

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