Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JAS]

First topic message reminder :

Well done Jas, I've done it a few times and have applied too. Not heard back yet though.

I did it in 2008 Super and was disappointed not to break 4 hours (I ran Glasgow 3 times in the mid 80s with a PB of 2.52) Huge difference in running marathons from early to mid 20's and late 40's/early 50's though. I said in 2008 that I had one more left and it WOULD be sub 4 hours!! I've applied 3 times without success since but I'm in this time.

Nice one JAS...trust all that training won't interfere with the golf schedule too much!

In reality and coupled with the Captaincy it probably will knock my game backwards a bit. C'est la vie :-/. Ideally the day I'd want to be doing my last long training run is the day of the Captains drive in.

Didn't Kirkygolfer run in it - think some of us helped him raise money?

I'm sure somebody from the boards did Kwini, cant remember the name though.

[super_realist]

Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24487746

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I'm no fan of Fatty Williams wretched, shiversomely bad "music" but I think he's really looking at it the wrong way if he thinks a snub from Radio 1 is something to be "gutted" about.

It is without doubt the worst station on British airwaves aimed purely at kids who think the likes of Moyles and Brand are funny, and anyone seeking any sort of credibility or respect would be doing all they can to make sure their products aren't aired on such a ghastly and truly dreadful station.

[mystiroakey]

surely you can just appreciate that williams is no 'artist' and just a brand name and that a snub from radio 1 is damaging commercially.

[super_realist]

I'm sure it is damaging commercially, but I sincerely doubt he's wanting for cash do you? He should be focussing on producing something worth buying instead of being a modern day (very bad) Norman Wisdom.

[mystiroakey]

I dont think robbie has ever written any music SR(i may be wrong)

But the majority of these artists only get the best songwriters based on popularity!

He lives of live performances and appearances on x facotr

[gaelgowfer]

So then, it's official ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10376309/Golfs-Rory-McIlroy-dumps-tennis-golden-girl-as-form-dips.html

Celibacy?

Wonder if he's got TW's phone number?

[Davie]

File under WGAF

[gaelgowfer]

You sock it to 'em Boris!  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10376382/Its-a-vigorous-voracious-press-that-keeps-our-country-honest.html

Anyone else concerned about press interference by the ruling class?  Seems like a slippery slope to me.

[Roller_Coaster]

Unfamiliar with that acronym Davie, is it:

World Golfer Admits Frailty?

Wozniacki Goes After F**kup?

Why Girlfriends Affect Form?

Woods Gains Another F**kbuddy?

[navyblueshorts]

You sock it to 'em Boris!  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10376382/Its-a-vigorous-voracious-press-that-keeps-our-country-honest.html

Anyone else concerned about press interference by the ruling class?  Seems like a slippery slope to me.

Sorry Boris. Your verbose, bumbling prose won't cut it this time. Most of the public don't give a XXXX if the press hold politicians to account and write nasty pieces on them and, as usual, you only focus on the politicians and what a hard time they have/had of the media. This is about press intrusion into (and down-right lying about) the lives of the public and about the effective immunity they have from any punishment. They've had decades to sort this out. I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever. The fact that Dacre of the The Mail is making such vomit-inducing comments following the Milliband article is hysterical.
They can't be trusted with self-regulation as the evidence has shown over and over again. The measly fines dolled out under the existing system don't begin to match the monies made from increased circulation in the wake of some salacious piece of crap they publish.
I'm sure that the media can easily continue genuine, investigative work which might be technically dodgy but actually is in the public interest i.e. MPs expenses.

As usual, we (the poor public) aren't being given the real gen on how, exactly, the proposed regulatory bodies would function etc. It's just a slanging match between the scum (sorry, media) and the other scum (sorry, politicians).

[MontysMerkin]

You sock it to 'em Boris!  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10376382/Its-a-vigorous-voracious-press-that-keeps-our-country-honest.html

Anyone else concerned about press interference by the ruling class?  Seems like a slippery slope to me.

Sorry Boris. Your verbose, bumbling prose won't cut it this time. Most of the public don't give a XXXX if the press hold politicians to account and write nasty pieces on them and, as usual, you only focus on the politicians and what a hard time they have/had of the media. This is about press intrusion into (and down-right lying about) the lives of the public and about the effective immunity they have from any punishment. They've had decades to sort this out. I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever. The fact that Dacre of the The Mail is making such vomit-inducing comments following the Milliband article is hysterical.
They can't be trusted with self-regulation as the evidence has shown over and over again. The measly fines dolled out under the existing system don't begin to match the monies made from increased circulation in the wake of some salacious piece of crap they publish.
I'm sure that the media can easily continue genuine, investigative work which might be technically dodgy but actually is in the public interest i.e. MPs expenses.

As usual, we (the poor public) aren't being given the real gen on how, exactly, the proposed regulatory bodies would function etc. It's just a slanging match between the scum (sorry, media) and the other scum (sorry, politicians).

I know it's not exactly the same but I was amazed to hear that the fines levied by the FSA are collected by then FSA for the FSA. I thought those millions that were taken in would be given to the treasury or somesuch but no. I then find that all the banks fund the FSA and if the FSA takes in some big fines the banks don't need to pay as much.

Energy companies taking the p!ss as well.

All in all utter contempt shown to the average Joe by the government and big business (one and the same?)

[1GrumpyGolfer]

Unfamiliar with that acronym Davie, is it:

World Golfer Admits Frailty?

Wozniacki Goes After F**kup?

Why Girlfriends Affect Form?

Woods Gains Another F**kbuddy?

Here's a clue Roller: who gives a ......

[puligny]

NBS - well said. Couldn't have put it better myself, so won't try!

[Roller_Coaster]

  who gives a... Obvious. Cheers GG

Didn't realise the FSA fines went to the FSA and so mitigated the fees for the companies being regulated. Extremely dubious to me.

[hend085]

as a counter argument RC...... it encourages firms to report other non compliant firms rather than turn a blind eye. its very hard for the FSA to uncover breaches without reports from other firms.

[Roller_Coaster]

True Hend, it could do that too. I still baulk at that use of fine monies though. Especially as the fine monies don't filter through to cheaper premiums/charges/services etc for the end customer of the institutions.

Wonder how many firms "report" for no other reason than to instigate investigation to make a competitor lose focus?

[Davie]

I see the England backlash has started already with stories being leaked from the dressing room about Roy H and his team talk.

Thank God he didn't tell a joke about a leprechaun

[Roller_Coaster]

Normally try to be at least a little thoughtful about these things but this time - F**k off media.

Probably because the hack(s) in question had penned a "brilliant" article on how England screwed up qualification along with a brilliant photoshop of Roy Hodgson with the head of an hilarious root vegetable/tuber and by qualifying they couldn't use it.

[gaelgowfer]

Anyone else think an OBE for Andy Murray was a bit of a slap in the face.  Certainly don't want to diss ... say ... Mo Farah's (or Chris Hoy's for that matter) achievements, but a knighthood?

Setting aside Murray's phenomenal US Open win last year, surely being the first Briton to win Wimbledon in 77 years was worthy of a knighthood in itself ... particularly when stacked up against the two aforementioned athletes.

[mystiroakey]

Normally try to be at least a little thoughtful about these things but this time - F**k off media.

Probably because the hack(s) in question had penned a "brilliant" article on how England screwed up qualification along with a brilliant photoshop of Roy Hodgson with the head of an hilarious root vegetable/tuber and by qualifying they couldn't use it.

 

[kwinigolfer]

gael,
Not to mention an Olympic Gold.
Almost as if a second Gold trumps a Silver, a US Open title and a Wimbledon title.

[mystiroakey]

Very rarely are sportsmen knighted . Its normally OBE's for sportsmen isn't it?

[mystiroakey]

And cant you get a knighthood on top?

Maybe he will get one once he has actually become the best player in the world!!

Mo farah is the best in his field, so was hoy! Murray- nope!

[kwinigolfer]

Farah the best athlete in the world?
Hoy the best cyclist??

Not so sure - certainly supreme at their specialist event, but No 1 athlete, No 1 cyclist? Sure there'd be arguments about that.

[mystiroakey]

the best in his field kwini.that doesn't mean the best athlete in the world- who could in theory be almost any sportsman!! MO is however the best Long distance runner at the moment

hoy was defo the best track sprinter at the time and had one of the greatest ever single olympic performances by a brit athlete ever

But murray is not and never has been the best tennis player.



Give him time- he is quality, but if he never gets to the top i understand why he may not be knighted. If We started knighting everyone for just being a decent sportsmen that is british- we might as well give them out like smarties!

The fact that wimbledon is a british GS shouldn't detract from the fact that it is just another GS, and an olympic gold in tennis is literally nothing compared to an oylimpic gold in not only a flag ship event but also one that is where the olympics is the pinnacle.

Golds in the olympics are not all valued the same.. What ever the tables or price of gold may tell you

[super_realist]

Anyone else think an OBE for Andy Murray was a bit of a slap in the face.  Certainly don't want to diss ... say ... Mo Farah's (or Chris Hoy's for that matter) achievements, but a knighthood?

Setting aside Murray's phenomenal US Open win last year, surely being the first Briton to win Wimbledon in 77 years was worthy of a knighthood in itself ... particularly when stacked up against the two aforementioned athletes.

The fact no Briton has won Wimbledon in 77 years isn't Murray's problem, nor does it make his achievement any more remarkable, and dishing out for a Knighthood for a solitary win when the likes of Sampras and Federer have done it several times each without the American or Swiss equivalent would be embarassing.

It is, no more than a sports tournament, and Murray as a humble guy, would probably, and I think in fact has stated that a Knighthood would be excessive for that.

For the record, I don't think Mo Farah has a Knighthood anyway.

Also, If Murray was a plummy Etonian from Surrey there isn't a hope you'd be clamouring for his Knighthood. It's only because by an accident of birth he was born in the same backwater as you.

[mystiroakey]

Yes you are right MO only has a CBE not even an OBE at the moment. But he is being backed for a knighthood- and that to me is fair enough.. Being the top of the pile in the long distant game is pretty challenging!

[super_realist]

What is good about the likes of Murray, Hoy and Farah is that they seem to be genuinely nice, articulate and likeable people. Obviously most UK footballers will never achieve as much as these guys, but you can understand why honours aren't bestowed upon footballers quite so frequently, given how loathesome most come across as, although morons like Gerrard have one, so there is no accounting for taste.

[kwinigolfer]

Knighthoods for active sportsmen should be abolished in my book anyway.

mysti,
Track cycling is a pretty narrow niche compared to men's tennis - it's not as if he should get a gong for best mixed doubles for goodness sake.

But Murray is right, let's wait until they retire so a full body of work can be put in to perspective.

[mystiroakey]

Personally yes I can't see why hoy actually deserves the knighthood- however i do understand why he would be in a better position than murray- He has won loads of medals, top of his field and won 3 golds in one olympics(the olympics is actually the ultimate event for this sport- over tennis that is in all fairness not relevant at all!)

[Davie]

What is good about the likes of Murray, Hoy and Farah is that they seem to be genuinely nice, articulate and likeable people.

Nice, articulate and likable?

I don't think any of them are "nice". They are sportsmen and naturally ruthless and a touch arrogant. That's not a bad thing - far from it .. but it doesn't make them "nice"

Articulate? Hoy would get high marks in that - Farrah somewhere in between. Murray - no

Likable? well that's very subjective so what is likable to one person isn't to someone else .. but Hoy and Farrah again would get medium-high ratings there from me .. but again Murray fails

[super_realist]

All three come across well when interviewed and are certainly a lot more engaging than a typical footballer or golfer.

Murray is certainly articulate, beneath the monotone disinterested voice there's a pretty sharp, quick and dry sense of humour.

Ok, none of them might be the type of people you'd choose to be friends with, I was really talking about how they are relative to the truly moronic sportsman that abound in the UK.

[Davie]

All three come across well when interviewed and are certainly a lot more engaging than a typical footballer or golfer.

Therein lies the mistake. All three (even Murray) are far from typical. Yet you compare them against typical footballers or golfers.

Try putting them up against some of the atypical footballers or golfers

[beninho]

What does being articulate matter anyway when it is pure sporting achievement they are judged on. And Cavendish gas been more successful in cycling then hoy. But British media pats so much on the Olympics. And I know it's easy to slate footballers but frank lampard is mire articulate then most already mentioned. Don't like him ssh a Chelsea player though.

[mystiroakey]

beckham, cantona, poulter = legends

[Davie]

beckham, cantona, poulter = legends

 

[kwinigolfer]

I enjoy Murray interviews, he's usually looking to take the p1ss, especially w/Brad Gilbert.
 
Has mysti been drinking?

[mystiroakey]

beckham, cantona, poulter = legends

 

legends mate- legends. Charisma personified!!

[super_realist]

All three come across well when interviewed and are certainly a lot more engaging than a typical footballer or golfer.

Therein lies the mistake. All three (even Murray) are far from typical. Yet you compare them against typical footballers or golfers.

Try putting them up against some of the atypical footballers or golfers

Lets have some names then. In the far more popular sports of Football and Golf I can't think of any footballer or golfer who I enjoy listening to.
Everything appears contrived, pre meditated and they reveal nothing about their character and have no spontaneity at all.

Vettel is another who seems a good egg.

I did think Hargreaves was a bright chap, and Owen more than I thought too if a bit dull.  Trouble is that these guys appear to only live their sport and nothing else. They have very little interesting to say.

Ben, how articulate they were was brought up in regard to how many less popular sports than football are offered Knighthoods and other awards, obviously most are more successful than footballers, but I proffered a suggestion that some in part might be due to generally having a better personality than most footballers and as a result better for (and I hate myself for doing this) "role models" (even though none have a responsibility to be so)

[mystiroakey]

I cannot take vettel.. Cocky!! 



Southgate and neville know what there are talking about. But no charisma

[McLaren]

You gotta love Kimi.

Not articulate but a real racing driver and seems like a load of fun off track.


As for Murray it appears that he is actually quite bright with a decent sense of humor. What I like is that people think he is mumbling and monotone, but actually for a Scottish bloke he sounds pretty up beat.

[mystiroakey]

Yes Kimi. Legend!! another one to add to my list.

I agree with you on murray- The problem is with his accent. He seems very honest to me though, wears his heart on his sleeve- not afraid to to be sensitive in interviews either

[super_realist]

Yes Kimi. Legend!! another one to add to my list.

I agree with you on murray- The problem is with his accent. He seems very honest to me though, wears his heart on his sleeve- not afraid to to be sensitive in interviews either

Compared to Gerrard, Murray is as convivial and articulate as Stephen Fry.

[JAS]

What is good about the likes of Murray, Hoy and Farah is that they seem to be genuinely nice, articulate and likeable people.

Nice, articulate and likable?

I don't think any of them are "nice". They are sportsmen and naturally ruthless and a touch arrogant. That's not a bad thing - far from it .. but it doesn't make them "nice"

Articulate? Hoy would get high marks in that - Farrah somewhere in between. Murray - no

Likable? well that's very subjective so what is likable to one person isn't to someone else .. but Hoy and Farrah again would get medium-high ratings there from me .. but again Murray fails

Interesting that you find Murray inarticulate and not likeable Davie. Is there STILL a subconscious lingering resentment about the old A.B.E. out of context quote?

Post match interviews of more often than not a completely drained professional athlete are unlikely to produce a high level of articulation. On the other hand, the documentary the Beeb did on him revealed quite a different character than his pre/post match persona. He can take a joke as well..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQOyjfkhxPA

[Davie]

Interesting that you find Murray inarticulate and not likeable Davie. Is there STILL a subconscious lingering resentment about the old A.B.E. out of context quote?

No JAS - that's one of the things I do give him some slack for .. and have even defended him to other Murray-haters. I'm well aware of the circumstances of that issue and don't hold it against him at all. Neither am I anti Scottish as I have a lot of golf mates who are Scots and get on extremely well from them (I'm a northerner and born not too far from Scotland anyway and have a Scottish grandmother .. even represented Scotland in a "home international" tournament at my club!

[gaelgowfer]

Yes you are right MO only has a CBE not even an OBE at the moment. But he is being backed for a knighthood- and that to me is fair enough.. Being the top of the pile in the long distant game is pretty challenging!

oakey ... CBE is higher than an OBE but that's ok because I thought Mo Farah had been given a knighthood!

I personally don't think sportsmen should be knighted at all and certainly not cyclists who go round in circles!  I'm not saying Chris Hoy isn't a good ambassador just that his achievements didn't warrant such an accolade.

Having said that, I just think Murray's Wimbledon win was a truly exceptional event in british sporting history and the fact that he wasn't even awarded the same accolade as Mo Farah never mind Chris Hoy is wrong.  

I also think that Murray is extremely articulate.  If he's guilty of anything, it's that he comes across as being a wee bit on the dour side but is, nonetheless, always polite and respectful.

[super_realist]

Yes you are right MO only has a CBE not even an OBE at the moment. But he is being backed for a knighthood- and that to me is fair enough.. Being the top of the pile in the long distant game is pretty challenging!

oakey ... CBE is higher than an OBE but that's ok because I thought Mo Farah had been given a knighthood!

I personally don't think sportsmen should be knighted at all and certainly not cyclists who go round in circles!  I'm not saying Chris Hoy isn't a good ambassador just that his achievements didn't warrant such an accolade.

Having said that, I just think Murray's Wimbledon win was a truly exceptional event in british sporting history and the fact that he wasn't even awarded the same accolade as Mo Farah never mind Chris Hoy is wrong.  

I also think that Murray is extremely articulate.  If he's guilty of anything, it's that he comes across as being a wee bit on the dour side but is, nonetheless, always polite and respectful.

or Rowers who just row, or footballers who kcik a pigs bladder about or Faldo who puts a little white ball in a hole.

Every sport is stupid when you break it down. NOne as you say deserving of a knighthood.

Yes, Murray's win was excellent, but who cares what he receives. What would they give him if he won it again?

Seriously it's just a tennis tournament, and he gets to play in it every year, he said himself a knighthood was excessive.
He may be in the top 2 of Britains sportsmen, but lets not go throwing Knighthoods on the guy. It would be embarassing.

[barragan]

sport is no less contrived than many occupations these days

[beninho]

Who is deserving of a knighthood then? I have no issues with sportsmen getting them but think it should be after they have retired. Though Kelly Holmes was a nonsense.

[super_realist]

I don't mind if they get them once they have retired and have a career which is truly inspirational, but giving them to someone who is 20 like Addlington or Murray who is at his peak is absurd.

Wait until they're finished.
No problem with Kelly Holmes. Great career.

[gaelgowfer]

s_r ... you have to be an idiot or out of the country at the time not to have noticed the fantastic feelgood factor his win generated throughout the country.  On this particular occasion, it wasn't "just a tennis tournament", it was a tennis tournament which is hosted by Britain but, up until this year, no briton had won for 77 years.  That's what made it every bit as exceptional as the achievements of other athletes who were awarded higher accolades.  

I also believe that tennis requires far greater skills than running or cycling.

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