Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JAS]

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Well done Jas, I've done it a few times and have applied too. Not heard back yet though.

I did it in 2008 Super and was disappointed not to break 4 hours (I ran Glasgow 3 times in the mid 80s with a PB of 2.52) Huge difference in running marathons from early to mid 20's and late 40's/early 50's though. I said in 2008 that I had one more left and it WOULD be sub 4 hours!! I've applied 3 times without success since but I'm in this time.

Nice one JAS...trust all that training won't interfere with the golf schedule too much!

In reality and coupled with the Captaincy it probably will knock my game backwards a bit. C'est la vie :-/. Ideally the day I'd want to be doing my last long training run is the day of the Captains drive in.

Didn't Kirkygolfer run in it - think some of us helped him raise money?

I'm sure somebody from the boards did Kwini, cant remember the name though.

[MontysMerkin]

"yet I've no idea why" is what you said. Just think of me as enlightening you dear.

[super_realist]

So you do everything in life out of the altruism in your heart and for the good of the common man?

I'd rather live in a world with profit, which rewards hard work, ingenuity etc, than simply pandering to the lowest sectors of society.

[lorus59]

Some occupations involve hard work with little reward.

[MontysMerkin]

Why would you pander to the lowest sectors of society?

[Doc]

Navy the kiddy fiddler text, was probably not 100% accurate, but a bloke who rents young boys and has inappropriate porn on his pc is probably inclined to prefer young kids. And anyway I dont care if I'm not 100% as I know I'm close to the truth. The bloke is despicable and has probably damaged a lot of pensioners pension prospects along the way. He has allowed the whole company ethos and values to be changed and it makes things worse when you profess to be above the normal morals of the populace because you are a reverand, a lay preacher a methodist. A fraud and you should go down for being someone other than what you profess to be.

[super_realist]

Why would you pander to the lowest sectors of society?

No but you asserted that Easyjet making extra profit in these times isn't a good thing, no doubt because "everyone else is suffering " :yawn:

[super_realist]

Navy the kiddy fiddler text, was probably not 100% accurate, but a bloke who rents young boys and has inappropriate porn on his pc is probably inclined to prefer young kids. And anyway I dont care if I'm not 100% as I know I'm close to the truth. The bloke is despicable and has probably damaged a lot of pensioners pension prospects along the way. He has allowed the whole company ethos and values to be changed and it makes things worse when you profess to be above the normal morals of the populace because you are a reverand, a lay preacher a methodist. A fraud and you should go down for being someone other than what you profess to be.

I'm not a customer of the Co-Op Bank, however if I had been and I'd found that fact out, I would have withdrawn all my funds and written a strongly worded letter. That's far worse than drug taking in my book as it means he's already got previous for being dishonest and being a liar. Plenty city boys in London will be up to a bit of charlie at the weekend, at least it isn't lying to people on a Sunday, and if he'll stand up in front of people and tell them nonsense as if it's fact then exactly what will he do at a bank?

[MontysMerkin]

Why would you pander to the lowest sectors of society?

No but you asserted that Easyjet making extra profit in these times isn't a good thing, no doubt because "everyone else is suffering " :yawn:

Never said nuffink bout sleazyjet... 

[super_realist]

Sorry Monty, It was Doc.

I'm happy for companies to make profits. Easyjet aren't a company which supply a vital service, so if they are improving their profits, and growth is a prospect then good for them, it means people are able to afford their services and is good in general for the economy.

[MontysMerkin]

Agreed with profits for value added services. Cannot get my head round profits for stuff that is monopolised and essential - energy being an example.

[super_realist]

Every company has to make profits though, Energy companies aren't there to be altruistic, they are there to make profit for their share holders.

Don't blame them, blame successive governments for not regulating things properly.


On the flip side, there is an awful lot people can do to keep their bills down. My fuel and electric bills are pretty modest because I'm careful with it.

[mystiroakey]

I just recently moved and EDF seems to think I owe them 600 pounds on top of what I have paid them.

Not happy!

[super_realist]

Jesus, That would do me about 8 months.

[dynamark]

Im starting to feel sorry for the hedge fund boys who have taken on 70% of the coop bank.I know its surreal.Coop in general has huge assets in land and property so will no doubt survive but it makes me cross the way they keep changing the price of the same sandwiches every day,shows a bit of deceit same as the rest of the retail sector,Joking but its true

[navyblueshorts]

I'm not a customer of the Co-Op Bank, however if I had been and I'd found that fact out, I would have withdrawn all my funds and written a strongly worded letter. That's far worse than drug taking in my book as it means he's already got previous for being dishonest and being a liar. Plenty city boys in London will be up to a bit of charlie at the weekend, at least it isn't lying to people on a Sunday, and if he'll stand up in front of people and tell them nonsense as if it's fact then exactly what will he do at a bank?

Oh, don't be ridiculous. Reverend, by default, does not equal schyster and despite my own atheism, there's plenty of good done by honest people who profess some sort of 'faith'.

[super_realist]

Sorry, but to me it equals a dishonest, gullible, vascillating, suggestible, irresponsible, morally bankrupt, illogical, willfully ignorant, irrational, credulous person.

I wouldn't trust someone who has beliefs in something that absurd and for no good reason to be in charge of something as important as a bank. Who's to say he doesn't/didn't use such "reasoning" in his job?

[gaelgowfer]

Ouch!  Hard to bear.  So near England ... so near.

[navyblueshorts]

Sorry, but to me it equals a dishonest, gullible, vascillating, suggestible, irresponsible, morally bankrupt, illogical, willfully ignorant, irrational,  credulous person.

I wouldn't trust someone who has beliefs in something that  absurd and for no good reason to be in charge of something as important as a bank. Who's to say he doesn't/didn't use such "reasoning" in his job?

You don't really get it with faith do you? These people believe. They don't think it's nonsense, despite what you might say. There's no causal link between that belief and dodgy decisions elsewhere in their lives. It's not the same as knowingly being dishonest in, say, one's marriage and then making the link with behaviour in one's job.

[navyblueshorts]

Ouch!  Hard to bear.  So near England ... so near.

Too true Gael. What a game though and just how good is Sam Burgess??? They could certainly teach our Union backline a thing or two about hitting the ball at pace, creating space and taking a chance.

[dynamark]

Gael rugbys on.
Our club managed to get on BBC Tv yesterday with the santa day.Its quite difficult to play serious golf dressed in a paper red suit white beard and red floopy hat

[SmithersJones]

Sorry, but to me it equals a dishonest, gullible, vascillating, suggestible, irresponsible, morally bankrupt, illogical, willfully ignorant, irrational,  credulous person.

I wouldn't trust someone who has beliefs in something that  absurd and for no good reason to be in charge of something as important as a bank. Who's to say he doesn't/didn't use such "reasoning" in his job?

You don't really get it with faith do you? These people believe. They don't think it's nonsense, despite what you might say. There's no causal link between that belief and dodgy decisions elsewhere in their lives. It's not the same as knowingly being dishonest in, say, one's marriage and then making the link with behaviour in one's job.

Isn't it? It's very difficult to believe that anyone these days is genuinely convinced there's a spaghetti monster/santa claus/god. It's far more likely that they're cynically using it as a cover.

[lorus59]

I just came across a You Tube video of an 18 year old Tiger Woods being interviews with his coach at high school. A lot of the Tiger we know now was present then too. He was even a God squad member back then too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc8tiYrVMgg

[beninho]

I am not religious. But if having faith helps people get through tough times in their life by making things easier for them or having people support them then it is no bad thing. People with faith and beliefs also do a lot to help people in third world countries and those without anything. Just because you do not agree or believe really Does not mean that people that do believe are in the wrong. A lot of people would be worse off without some sort of faith and support provided through religion. People are different which is a good thing.

[JAS]

Pretty much the same way I see things beninho, I'm somewhere around the agnostic boundary of atheist but consider that for many people faith is no bad thing and each to their own I say....It only becomes a problem when the obsessively indoctrinated try to ram it down other peoples throats. When they start using violence to push their point then they've lost the argument and they've moved from having faith to just being psychotic.

[navyblueshorts]

Sorry, but to me it equals a dishonest, gullible, vascillating, suggestible, irresponsible, morally bankrupt, illogical, willfully ignorant, irrational,  credulous person.

I wouldn't trust someone who has beliefs in something that  absurd and for no good reason to be in charge of something as important as a bank. Who's to say he doesn't/didn't use such "reasoning" in his job?

You don't really get it with faith do you? These people believe. They don't think it's nonsense, despite what you might say. There's no causal link between that belief and dodgy decisions elsewhere in their lives. It's not the same as knowingly being dishonest in, say, one's marriage and then making the link with behaviour in one's job.

Isn't it? It's very difficult to believe that anyone these days is genuinely convinced there's a spaghetti monster/santa claus/god. It's far more likely that they're cynically using it as a cover.

Sorry. I disagree. You think the billions with some sort of deist faith on the planet are ALL cynically using their 'belief' as cover for some sort of misbehaviour? That's not a logical stance at all. Some are undoubtedly the sort of cynic you're talking about, but many, many are not. Given they don't think their belief is nonsense, how does that belief mean they're some sort of criminal? There's no causal link there at all. Despite my own atheism, I'm not dumb enough to assume all people of faith are on the make in some way.

[SmithersJones]

I meant religious leaders rather than followers, and I didn't say they were all at it, just that it's more likely. I'm sure there are some who believe they have a calling and do the job for purely altruistic reasons but they will be a tiny minority. We all do what we do because we want to and purely for our own gain. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or kidding themselves.

[mystiroakey]

Even atheists are out there for monetary gain these days.

Belief or non belief can be profitable..

[navyblueshorts]

I meant religious leaders rather than followers, and I didn't say they were all at it, just that it's more likely. I'm sure there are some who believe they have a calling and do the job for purely altruistic reasons but they will be a tiny minority. We all do what we do because we want to and purely for our own gain. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or kidding themselves.

Wow. I thought I was cynical.

[super_realist]

Sorry, but to me it equals a dishonest, gullible, vascillating, suggestible, irresponsible, morally bankrupt, illogical, willfully ignorant, irrational,  credulous person.

I wouldn't trust someone who has beliefs in something that  absurd and for no good reason to be in charge of something as important as a bank. Who's to say he doesn't/didn't use such "reasoning" in his job?

You don't really get it with faith do you? These people believe. They don't think it's nonsense, despite what you might say. There's no causal link between that belief and dodgy decisions elsewhere in their lives. It's not the same as knowingly being dishonest in, say, one's marriage and then making the link with behaviour in one's job.

I get the problem with "faith" perfectly well.
These people have no concern as to whether their belief is true, they just like them. If they cared they would seek out proof and evidence to show it, but inconveniently for them, there isn't a shred of it, so they invent a word as a substitute for gullibility and call it "faith".

Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason to believe in something. If you had a good reason you wouldn't need faith.

Why would you let someone so demonstrably and willingly ignorant to take charge of a national bank?
I don't care whether they believe or not, I care what they can demonstrate to be true, and if you can't prove it, there's no reason to believe it and you have no justification for thinking it is true.

You have a right to your own beliefs, you do not have a right to your own facts, and that's exactly what these dishonest people dish out on a sunday and exactly why I wouldn't trust them an inch in any other part of their lives.

As for "faith" helping people through things, there is a direct link between how religious your society is and it's societal health. Religious societies do pretty badly in all of them, and countries where "faith" is in the minority do far better.

[navyblueshorts]

A good rant but it doesn't provide one iota of evidence to suggest presence of belief is de facto causative of dishonesty, stupidity or criminality in any other walk of life.

[super_realist]

Of course it is Navy.

What else in your life do you accept with zero evidence? Nothing at all.


Believing in anything without a good reason is by definition gullible.

It doesn't mean he'll use the same rational to run the bank, but it gives me good reason to distrust him, because he's shown spectacular stupidity in other parts of his life.

[beninho]

If something helps you in tough times or a group of people provide support or assistance is that not a good enough reason to believe in something or have faith? If someone can state that their faith has helped them and provided a support network then no proof is needed. Its all with the individual.

[super_realist]

No, there is by definition NO reason to have faith in anything without any proof, and if you have proof, you don't need an appeal to faith, also, nothing fails like faith.

The group of people in your scenario isn't faith, it's community support, which is no different to being a member of a club, society, institution etc, attributing the effects of a group to having enough faith in something, again is just more examples of gullibility.

Anyway, this isn't the point. My argument is that you shouldn't allow someone who is a conscious fraud to be the chairman of a large bank.

[McLaren]

I suppose it is only right that I admit I was wrong about there being a god. The relief after letting the lord into my heart has been immense. It may seem a dramatic turn around but at the weekend I had an experience so shocking that the existence of god has become so profoundly true for me.

I am still in a state of shock over the incident so feel too emotional to talk about it, but I just hope that the likes of super realist will one day see the light.

[super_realist]

   

[navyblueshorts]

Of course it is Navy.

What else in your life do you accept with zero evidence? Nothing at all.


Believing in anything without a good reason is by definition gullible.

It doesn't mean he'll use the same rational to run the bank, but it gives me good reason to distrust him, because he's shown spectacular stupidity in other parts of his life.

Nonsense. For someone who bangs on about evidence, you're going on and on about something in the demonstrable absence of anything of the sort. Just because someone has faith, doesn't mean they'll act the arse in any other walk of life.
You don't accept that - fine. I can't be bothered to point out the logical fallacy of that position anymore. I would suggest that people's beliefs and why they hold them are complex but you aren't interested in compexity. It's obvious to you....almost like someone of faith.

[super_realist]

Well, he has demonstrably acted the arse, shown himself to be a hypocrite and a conscious fraud and so I'd have just cause to  very dubious about employing someone in a position of authority who also held one in a church.

Plenty golfers can't separate their golf from their preposterous faith, why would this guy?

Faith is not complex, it is credulity and gullibility  and deserves zero respect from anyone, and nothing but ridicule.
What would you think of someone who was a bank chairman and also the head of a church for worshipping UNicorns or Leprechauns?
YOu'd think he was mental and wouldn't want him in charge of anything.

[beninho]

Just because someone took drugs and indulged in a bit of gay sex has has nothing to do with religion. The main issue is he was unqualified to run a bank. Religion really doesn't come into it though. I would say that a lot of people involved in banking dabble in both aswell but as they now what they are doing then it's no issue.

S.r where you touched up by a dodgy priest when you where in the church choir as a youth?

[incontinentia]

yes super, where does your hatred of religion and faith come from? did a man of the cloth have his way with your bagpipe when you were younger?

[McLaren]

yes super, where does your hatred of religion and faith come from? did a man of the cloth have his way with your bagpipe when you were younger?

Navy, please remove this deeply offensive post and have a word with the author. No one has the right to ridicule my religion.

[incontinentia]

don't think Loch Ness monster worship counts as religion mclaren

[super_realist]

yes super, where does your hatred of religion and faith come from? did a man of the cloth have his way with your bagpipe when you were younger?

Navy, please remove this deeply offensive post and have a word with the author.  No one has the right to ridicule my religion.

Why would anyone have a right not to have their make belief "faith" ridiculed.

Not sure why people think something as mad as religion should be immune or get a free ride.

[Doc]

being a capitalist and proud of it, there are occasions when things happen that make you feel sick to your stomach.

Todays report about RBS is a disgrace, and although we bailed this sesspit out years ago and at present own 86% of the shares, it seems this bank has been putting small businesses out of business and selling their properties for a profit. They've been loading extortionate bank costs onto these companies forcing them into cashflow problems. They've then valuations on their assetts without visiting, and then marking the values down. This has enabled the bank to sell off these assetts at a huge profit. Not even bothered about the business owners who they've bankrupted and the number of workers thrown on to the dole.

We knew the RBS was a bad egg in 2008 when the bubble burst, but after owning thebank for over 5-years why has this still gone on. Why have our politicians not done anything about financial services and the cancer that runs through it. LIBOR, intrest rates, currency rates .... Our politicians couldn't run a urine up in a brewery.

Chancellor states we want the banks to lend. The banks dont bother, so why dont we just say right RBS we own you and we are now going to lend to businesses, and we are going to increase interest rates for saver. This would mean that all the other banks become uncompetative and have to change if they are to retain their customers. How difficult can it be!!!

[gaelgowfer]

Ouch!  Hard to bear.  So near England ... so near.

Too true Gael. What a game though and just how good is Sam Burgess??? They could certainly teach our Union backline a thing or two about hitting the ball at pace, creating space and taking a chance.

Don't really follow the league stuff navy but have seen a few snippets of his play here and there and, yes, he does look pretty impressive.

Watching the Ireland/NewZealand game was almost like watching a re-play of the closing stages of the England/NewZealand  game.  Would like to have seen a re-run of why the irish were penalised.  I know that when it's a conversion, the opposing team is allowed to run towards the kicker once he has started to move but some kickers start then stop before following through.  Don't really know what happened there but a rotten way to end the match.

[MontysMerkin]

being a capitalist and proud of it, there are occasions when things happen that make you feel sick to your stomach.

Todays report about RBS is a disgrace, and although we bailed this sesspit out years ago and at present own 86% of the shares, it seems this bank has been putting small businesses out of business and selling their properties for a profit. They've been loading extortionate bank costs onto these companies forcing them into cashflow problems. They've then valuations on their assetts without visiting, and then marking the values down. This has enabled the bank to sell off these assetts at a huge profit. Not even bothered about the business owners who they've bankrupted and the number of workers thrown on to the dole.

We knew the RBS was a bad egg in 2008 when the bubble burst, but after owning thebank for over 5-years why has this still gone on. Why have our politicians not done anything about financial services and the cancer that runs through it. LIBOR, intrest rates, currency rates .... Our politicians couldn't run a urine up in a brewery.

Chancellor states we want the banks to lend. The banks dont bother, so why dont we just say right RBS we own you and we are now going to lend to businesses, and we are going to increase interest rates for saver. This would mean that all the other banks become uncompetative and have to change if they are to retain their customers. How difficult can it be!!!

Ahh capitalism at work don't you just love it! They are maximising their profit and bollox to anyone else - just as every good capitalist should.

[navyblueshorts]

yes super, where does your hatred of religion and faith come from? did a man of the cloth have his way with your bagpipe when you were younger?

Navy, please remove this deeply offensive post and have a word with the author.  No one has the right to ridicule my religion.

What? You worship at the altar of the almighty Bagpipe? I suspect the great Bagpipe can look after him(it's always a 'him' with religious deities isn't it?)self quite well without my intervention.

[navyblueshorts]

being a capitalist and proud of it, there are occasions when things happen that make you feel sick to your stomach.

Todays report about RBS is a disgrace, and although we bailed this sesspit out years ago and at present own 86% of the shares, it seems this bank has been putting small businesses out of business and selling their properties for a profit. They've been loading extortionate bank costs onto these companies forcing them into cashflow problems. They've then valuations on their assetts without visiting, and then marking the values down. This has enabled the bank to sell off these assetts at a huge profit. Not even bothered about the business owners who they've bankrupted and the number of workers thrown on to the dole.

We knew the RBS was a bad egg in 2008 when the bubble burst, but after owning thebank for over 5-years why has this still gone on. Why have our politicians not done anything about financial services and the cancer that runs through it. LIBOR, intrest rates, currency rates .... Our politicians couldn't run a urine up in a brewery.

Chancellor states we want the banks to lend. The banks dont bother, so why dont we just say right RBS we own you and we are now going to lend to businesses, and we are going to increase interest rates for saver. This would mean that all the other banks become uncompetative and have to change if they are to retain their customers. How difficult can it be!!!

With you on this one Doc. It beggars belief that these bankers are doing this sort of thing. Was talk on the radio this morning of criminal charges which I would hope is the case and that, when convicted, those directly responsible are a) jailed for a significant period and b) fined enormously.

[navyblueshorts]

Ahh capitalism at work don't you just love it! They are maximising their profit and bollox to anyone else - just as every good capitalist should.

Pretty much the same problem with capitalism as communism - people and their innate greed.

[MontysMerkin]

What would they be jailed for?
And what's communism got to do with it?

[super_realist]

Yup, increase the interest rate so every home owner struggles with their mortgage. Genius

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