Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JAS]

First topic message reminder :

Well done Jas, I've done it a few times and have applied too. Not heard back yet though.

I did it in 2008 Super and was disappointed not to break 4 hours (I ran Glasgow 3 times in the mid 80s with a PB of 2.52) Huge difference in running marathons from early to mid 20's and late 40's/early 50's though. I said in 2008 that I had one more left and it WOULD be sub 4 hours!! I've applied 3 times without success since but I'm in this time.

Nice one JAS...trust all that training won't interfere with the golf schedule too much!

In reality and coupled with the Captaincy it probably will knock my game backwards a bit. C'est la vie :-/. Ideally the day I'd want to be doing my last long training run is the day of the Captains drive in.

Didn't Kirkygolfer run in it - think some of us helped him raise money?

I'm sure somebody from the boards did Kwini, cant remember the name though.

[super_realist]

He can stick his Scottish passport up his fat hairy arse. I might have been born here but I'm British.

[mystiroakey]

And when he did his number crunching to get these figures did he factor in what the Scottish debt will really become and then after that has he factored in what the Scottish credit rating will be(it will drop therefore that debt will increase!)

I have no problem with them going independent but to make promises that could cripple Scotland because he hasn't got a clue what financial position they will be in is crazy and pretty much dishonest.

[super_realist]

It's all an attempt to tap into anti-english sentiment Oakey.

He's a prat.

[mystiroakey]

Mate tbh this whole independence thing could happen. It seems to be getting quite popular.

[super_realist]

Polls are against it, but there are a lot of bigots here mate so could happen.

[mystiroakey]

I wonder how many people in Scotland will hold on to there British passports though and I wonder how hard it will be to do so.. Will you all have to prove some English,welsh,n irish blood?

[super_realist]

Hopefully there will be an option.

[mystiroakey]

Just get a job in Denmark quick SR, then you dont have to worry about it

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

Have you considered that the "harmless" beliefs of the religious masses give credibility to religions influence over many of our most important institutions?  A problem which is much more severe around the world.

Of course. That's another discussion though.

[super_realist]

Could be an option soon anyway Oakey

[Doc]

Silver Darling has just laughed and called him a lying barsteward and also said that he has the powers already to improve childcare, but he hasn't the money for it, so hows he going to pay for it then, and all the other stuff without raising taxes.

Part of me hopes he can pull it off, so that within 12-months we see streams of homeless Scotts walking behind their livestock and waggons over the border. Thousands begging in the streets but they have shiny wind farms ....... No I couldn't stomach it, and watching a whole race of people turn into the poor relations of former Soviet block states is silly. Could Salmond align currency with one of the 'Stans' ?

[Doc]

Just read a statement from a very well respected international lawyer who says the following: SNP will need to accept the Euro as currency as part of their agreement to join, no ifs or buts. The SNP will be liable for a minimum of £56 billion as part of their debt in 2016, but it could also be £122 billion (Depending on who's numbers you believe) Alex Salmond has been overheard saying he isn't willing to accept his share of the national debt and intends walking away from his responsibilities as it doesn't suit his plans. This will have the effect of raising interest rates and morgages steeply in the UK. Scotland will have a credit rating of 'junk' and will not be allowed into the Eurozone or Nato, as it cannot pay its way.

Alex what happens when you wake up mate. Yes it was a good dream which is about to turn into a nightmare

[mystiroakey]

That sounds about right mate.

Those are the real issues

[Roller_Coaster]

Having very little to do with it I'm way behind on ins and outs.

I have seen quite a lot of "what we're going to do" and absolutely none of "how we're going to pay for it".

We have a Scottish girl in our office and she thinks Salmond is a "slimy, lying, sensasionalist, expletive deleted that just wants a place in history regardless of the expletive deleted consequences. Tw*t." That's close enough to the debate for me, she seems quite het up about it and she scares me!

[JAS]

I'm personally narked at the whole lot of it...the completely out of touch slime ball and Lego head have set up gerrymandering on a grand scale. Scots everywhere in the world EXCEPT England will get a vote...I'd love Lego to explain honestly the reasoning behind that one...I'll save her the trouble....too many no voters down here that have a wider perspective and understand the benefits of the Union.
Scots abroad, yep they can vote (they will predominantly have a romanticised view of the homeland they miss so much. People living in Scotland? Yep fair enough but including those resident for a relatively short period of time I.e. migrant workers who have in most cases left a life of poverty and deprivation in their own country, yep they'll vote yes. 16 & 17 year old, impressionable spotty oiks who think Mel Gibson sorted the English out, yep they'll vote yes, give 'em the vote too. Utterly blatant blatant gerrymandering. I've a good mind to contact the NO campaign and see if there's anything I can do to help!!

[raycastleunited]

My loan was for 92-96 and I borrowed 4 K a year for those years to cover bills. Still paying...

You must have seriously lived it up to spend £4k a year back then.

I was at Uni 94-98. Biggest expense was rent at £40 per week. Bills were pretty low those days, could do a weekly shop in tesco for £25, have lunch on campus for £1.50, beer was £1 a pint, bottle of vodka £8. I had a Saturday job on the High St for £5 per hour, so earned £30 a week which covered my weekend going out expenses. Grant of £2,500 more or less covered living expenses. OK I worked abroad as an English teacher in my 3rd year so had some income, but I was able to leave Uni with nothing more than a big overdraft of a couple of grand, which I had paid off within a year.

It was so easy, nobody I know had any financial problems, I really feel sorry for today's students who are coming out of uni with a massive burden of debt hanging over them for the next 20 years.

[incontinentia]

Is Lego Pubes that Nicola Sturgeon lass? she looks like a bit of alright  

[JAS]

Having very little to do with it I'm way behind on ins and outs.

I have seen quite a lot of "what we're going to do" and absolutely none of "how we're going to pay for it".

We have a Scottish girl in our office and she thinks Salmond is a "slimy, lying, sensasionalist, expletive deleted that just wants a place in history regardless of the expletive deleted consequences. Tw*t." That's close enough to the debate for me, she seems quite het up about it and she scares me!

Roller...she sounds a hoot!! Got her number?

[super_realist]

Sniper rifle and a grassy knoll JAS?

[JAS]

Much as I find some of the main characters in the NRA utterly detestable, maybe the NO campaign should invite them for a busmans holiday in Scotland sometime before Sept next year!!

[super_realist]

Just invite the Norwegians over for a spot of Whale hunting. Salmond would be harpooned.

[JAS]

Looking at the state of Salmond tho...he'll do we'll to make it that long...John Smith looked a LOT healthier than that in early 1994!!!

[super_realist]

John Smith probably looks a lot healthier now!!!!!

What's worse though, him or lego head in charge?

[MontysMerkin]

My loan was for 92-96 and I borrowed 4 K a year for those years to cover bills. Still paying...

You must have seriously lived it up to spend £4k a year back then.

I was at Uni 94-98. Biggest expense was rent at £40 per week. Bills were pretty low those days, could do a weekly shop in tesco for £25, have lunch on campus for £1.50, beer was £1 a pint, bottle of vodka £8. I had a Saturday job on the High St for £5 per hour, so earned £30 a week which covered my weekend going out expenses. Grant of £2,500 more or less covered living expenses. OK I worked abroad as an English teacher in my 3rd year so had some income, but I was able to leave Uni with nothing more than a big overdraft of a couple of grand, which I had paid off within a year.

It was so easy, nobody I know had any financial problems, I really feel sorry for today's students who are coming out of uni with a massive burden of debt hanging over them for the next 20 years.

Didn't get in to halls so had to travel in from rented accom. V expensive. smoked. drank. still no cash. Get a job? Get bent more like it.... Unfortunately I maybe didn't approach it a sensible and grown up way 

[super_realist]

Weekly shopping bill £25 quid in 94? Mine is about that now!!

Do I feel sorrow for todays' Students? Well, at least it should sharpen the mind a bit and ensure that people study something that may have a chance of leading to a well paid career, not pointless degrees like Art History, Media Studies or Psychology.

[MontysMerkin]

Yeah or computer science. Got a first and spent 2 years pushing a broom round a warehouse before getting made redundant for being over qualified. Nice one.

[SmithersJones]

My loan was for 92-96 and I borrowed 4 K a year for those years to cover bills. Still paying...

You must have seriously lived it up to spend £4k a year back then.

I was at Uni 94-98. Biggest expense was rent at £40 per week. Bills were pretty low those days, could do a weekly shop in tesco for £25, have lunch on campus for £1.50, beer was £1 a pint, bottle of vodka £8. I had a Saturday job on the High St for £5 per hour, so earned £30 a week which covered my weekend going out expenses. Grant of £2,500 more or less covered living expenses. OK I worked abroad as an English teacher in my 3rd year so had some income, but I was able to leave Uni with nothing more than a big overdraft of a couple of grand, which I had paid off within a year.

It was so easy, nobody I know had any financial problems, I really feel sorry for today's students who are coming out of uni with a massive burden of debt hanging over them for the next 20 years.

Didn't get in to halls so had to travel in from rented accom. V expensive. smoked. drank. still no cash. Get a job? Get bent more like it.... Unfortunately I maybe didn't approach it a sensible and grown up way 

Easily done - mate of mine from school started at my uni at the same time as me, and had to leave after 1 term because he'd run up a £2k Barclaycard bill (1988 so pre-loans) on top of spunking his entire grant for the term!

[gaelgowfer]

I'm personally narked at the whole lot of it...the completely out of touch slime ball and Lego head have set up gerrymandering on a grand scale. Scots everywhere in the world EXCEPT England will get a vote...I'd love Lego to explain honestly the reasoning behind that one...I'll save her the trouble....too many no voters down here that have a wider perspective and understand the benefits of the Union.
Scots abroad, yep they can vote (they will predominantly have a romanticised view of the homeland they miss so much. People living in Scotland? Yep fair enough but including those resident for a relatively short period of time I.e. migrant workers who have in most cases left a life of poverty and deprivation in their own country, yep they'll vote yes. 16 & 17 year old, impressionable spotty oiks who think Mel Gibson sorted the English out, yep they'll vote yes, give 'em the vote too. Utterly blatant blatant gerrymandering. I've a good mind to contact the NO campaign and see if there's anything I can do to help!!

No JAS, not every scot in the rest of the world:

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/who-can-vote-referendum-scottish-independence

•British citizens resident in Scotland.
•Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
•Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and other EU countries resident in Scotland.
•Members of the House of Lords resident in Scotland.
•Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the Armed Forces or with Her Majesty’s Government who are registered to vote in Scotland.

However, I too don't understand why scots living in England don't get a vote but the decision was jointly made by UK and Scottish governments:

The franchise for the referendum is currently being finalised by the Scottish Parliament, after the general principles were agreed by the UK and Scottish Governments in October 2012.

[gaelgowfer]

Oh and btw JAS, I can't see it being in the interests of serving personnel to vote for independence.  Can you?

[mystiroakey]

Monty I thought you said 4k total, not per year.... Classic mysti reading.. Ok I get why you are still paying it off

I didn't borrow any money and only got the minimum 300 pound grant.

I had helpful parents I suppose!!

[super_realist]

However, I too don't understand why scots living in England don't get a vote but the decision was jointly made by UK and Scottish governments:

Why should they? They don't live there, the decision won't affect them.
It's like you expecting to be consulted on planning permission for a street you USED to live on but no longer do.

[mystiroakey]

Obviously being Scottish should have nothing to do with the vote- It only affects RESIDENTS which yes is a bit ironic. but the reality of the situation

[raycastleunited]

Even if you smoked and drank it was still so cheap at Uni!!! I remember 20 Marlboro were £2.28 - and they used to employ pretty girls to go round the student bars handing them out for free!!! At a pound a pint you could get hammered for a tenner! There was a curry house on the way home that charged £4 for a meal, student discounts on everything from hair cuts to big macs.

Super, now that I think about it £25 was between me and my house mate, so only £12 each. Spag Bol was the meal of choice, a pack of minced beef was less than a quid due to the BSE crisis, even prime steak was dirt cheap. Tesco value beans 3p a tin. God I sound old, rambling about the past with rose tinted specs.

Just don't understand how people racked up such hug debts unless you got into class A drugs in a big way.

[mystiroakey]

Yes ray but the price of drugs was more expensive back then

[gaelgowfer]

s_r ... Just because a lot of scots have to move south in order to earn a living, I don't see why this should preclude them from having a vote.  As I see it, they have a greater right than someone from Republic of Ireland or, for that matter, a bleedin' Belgian!  However, on second thoughts, I suppose I can understand why wee Eck wouldn't welcome their votes.

[super_realist]

Why, they don't live there, why should they get a vote.
It only affects people who live there, regardless of where the residents were born.

You don't get to vote in local or council elections if you don't live in the constituency in which they are being held simply because you might have been born there or used to live there, why should you in this, simply because you might have been born in that crappy little country?

[gaelgowfer]

As I see it, many scots have been forced to move south because they can't get work in Scotland.  When all said and done, why would any scot choose to leave bonnie Scotland unless for economic reasons?   They are, however, unlike Belgians, contributing to the UK economy and that, whether you like it or not, includes Scotland.

[MontysMerkin]

Even if you smoked and drank it was still so cheap at Uni!!! I remember 20 Marlboro were £2.28 - and they used to employ pretty girls to go round the student bars handing them out for free!!! At a pound a pint you could get hammered for a tenner! There was a curry house on the way home that charged £4 for a meal, student discounts on everything from hair cuts to big macs.

Super, now that I think about it £25 was between me and my house mate, so only £12 each. Spag Bol was the meal of choice, a pack of minced beef was less than a quid due to the BSE crisis, even prime steak was dirt cheap. Tesco value beans 3p a tin. God I sound old, rambling about the past with rose tinted specs.

Just don't understand how people racked up such hug debts unless you got into class A drugs in a big way.

Hmm maybe you didn't live it up enough? (or I did too much)
Reckon a normal night out was bout 20 quid with food n condoms n travel n snouts. Times 7, so that's £140 a week over say 40 weeks is 5 1/2 grand? Before rent, books, bills, food etc

[MontysMerkin]

  When all said and done, why would any scot choose to leave bonnie Scotland unless for economic reasons?   

Cold, wet, dark, full of scots?

[super_realist]

As I see it, many scots have been forced to move south because they can't get work in Scotland.  When all said and done, why would any scot choose to leave bonnie Scotland unless for economic reasons?   They are, however, unlike Belgians, contributing to the UK economy and that, whether you like it or not, includes Scotland.

Totally disagree that just because you happen to be a sweaty you should get to vote if you can't even be arsed to live there.
It's effectively a constituency, and therefore only those within it are eligible.

Only people who live there get to vote, so no idea what you are talking about Belgians in Belgium for, they don't get to vote

It's a vote which will affect the so called  country of Scotland, not just for those who happen to have been unfortunate enough  to have been born here but who have chosen not to live here anymore.

[Bob_the_Job]

Will non-sweatys living in Scotland get to vote?

[super_realist]

Of course, it would be discrimination not to give them a vote.

[mystiroakey]

....

[gaelgowfer]

super_realist ... why do you resort to these infantile tactics of picking an argument just for argument's sake?

[MontysMerkin]

Because they don't understand the sniffy attitude most scots have about England. I've got Scottish family (pathheed I think) and my god don't they just whinge the whole time about how the english have done them over in just about every aspect of life. But the scots I know down south (devon) are the nicest most considerate lot you could hope to meet. Like I say i reckon it's the weather or something...

[navyblueshorts]

God. I can't wait for this damned Scottish independence vote to be over. Already sick to the back teeth of the whole thing.

I know. I've got a great idea. I think each street in the UK should become an independent country. Why should someone in the next street have any say in how my street is run? It's disgraceful! Even better, let's all return to barbarism and not bother with any cohesion where the sum is greater than the parts.

Pathetic, small-minded, xenophobic cretins.

[super_realist]

super_realist ... why do you resort to these infantile tactics of picking an argument just for argument's sake?

You're the one making crap points about Belgians and Irish getting a vote, I've made nothing but salient points about the holes in your argument by pointing out the consistencies in who is allowed to vote in such elections/referendums based on constituents residency, you're the one stating you think someone should get a vote based on nothing other than their birthplace. How stupid is that?

[pedro]

Well, several (Western) countries allow their citizens to vote even if they've never lived there.

Other (Western) countries don't allow non-citizens to vote even if they're born in that country and always lived there.

Some (Western) countries allow non-citizens to vote in local elections, but not for parliament.

Some (Western) countries allow dual citizenships, others not.

Some (Western) countries automatically give you citizenship if you just happen to be there when you're born.

Combine the above as you like to try to guess how the voting rules are in, say, Belgium.

So although non of this really makes sense in a modern world, there's no "right" and "wrong" when it comes to being "eligable" to vote.

My personal opinion is, that if you've lived in a partcular country for x years, and still live there, you should be eligable to vote - regardless of your citizenship. Peace.

[super_realist]

Actually the criteria for being able to vote in the UK is being registered at a valid address on the Electoral Roll in the constituency in which you intend to vote.


The hostpital in which I was born is currently being turned into a hotel by Kohler who own the Old Course Hotel. Should I get a say in what happens to it simply because I have a tenuous link of having been born there? Of course I shouldn't.

Similarly, My Uncle has lived in London for 40 since leaving home at about 20. SHould he get a vote?

Quite ridiculous.

[Davie]

So let me get this straight. S-R disagrees with the split - Gael agrees with it

All sounds right in the V2golf world to me... wouldn't expect anything less

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