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Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
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Right let's get down to business shall we?!
9/11/13
Scotland vs Japan
KO - 2.30pm
17/11/13
Scotland vs South Africa
KO - 3pm
23/11/13
Scotland vs Australia
KO - 6pm
First of all, the schedule for these three matches is super. Unlike last few years, Scotland will play a less formidable team first before two tough matches against SA and Aus. SA are on a roll at the moment and will be a good, stern test for Scotland before Australia. Injuries may be an issue however as we saw in the summer.
If Scotland beat Australia that will make it 3 wins in a row vs the Wallabies which would be a fantastic achievement. But obviously wins over any of these three teams will be great.
Players
Backs M Bennett (Glasgow), C Cusiter (Glasgow), De Luca (Edinburgh), A Dunbar (Glasgow), M Evans (Castres), T Heathcote (Bath), R Jackson (Glasgow), S Lamont (Glasgow), G Laidlaw (Edinburgh), S Maitland (Glasgow), H Pyrgos (Glasgow), M Scott (Edinburgh), T Seymour (Glasgow), D Taylor (Saracens), G Tonks (Edinburgh), T Visser (Edinburgh), D Weir (Glasgow).
Forwards J Barclay (Scarlets), J Beattie (Montpellier), K Brown (Saracens), B Cowan (London Irish), G Cross (Edinburgh), D Denton (Edinburgh), A Dickinson (Edinburgh), R Ford (Edinburgh), C Fusaro (Glasgow), G Gilchrist (Edinburgh) R Grant (Glasgow), J Gray (Glasgow), R Gray (Castres), J Hamilton (Montpellier), R Harley (Glasgow), A Kellock (Glasgow), S Lawson (Newcastle), K Low (London Irish), M Low (Glasgow), P MacArthur (Glasgow), E Murray (Worcester), A Strokosch (Perpignan), T Swinson (Glasgow), J Welsh (Glasgow)
*Sorry for not updating this sooner. My girlfriend and I broke up a few weeks ago after four and a half years, three living together. I've been in a pretty bad place. However, I'm getting better and looking forward to these games so I'll continue to contribute when I can
Right let's get down to business shall we?!
9/11/13
Scotland vs Japan
KO - 2.30pm
17/11/13
Scotland vs South Africa
KO - 3pm
23/11/13
Scotland vs Australia
KO - 6pm
First of all, the schedule for these three matches is super. Unlike last few years, Scotland will play a less formidable team first before two tough matches against SA and Aus. SA are on a roll at the moment and will be a good, stern test for Scotland before Australia. Injuries may be an issue however as we saw in the summer.
If Scotland beat Australia that will make it 3 wins in a row vs the Wallabies which would be a fantastic achievement. But obviously wins over any of these three teams will be great.
Players
Backs M Bennett (Glasgow), C Cusiter (Glasgow), De Luca (Edinburgh), A Dunbar (Glasgow), M Evans (Castres), T Heathcote (Bath), R Jackson (Glasgow), S Lamont (Glasgow), G Laidlaw (Edinburgh), S Maitland (Glasgow), H Pyrgos (Glasgow), M Scott (Edinburgh), T Seymour (Glasgow), D Taylor (Saracens), G Tonks (Edinburgh), T Visser (Edinburgh), D Weir (Glasgow).
Forwards J Barclay (Scarlets), J Beattie (Montpellier), K Brown (Saracens), B Cowan (London Irish), G Cross (Edinburgh), D Denton (Edinburgh), A Dickinson (Edinburgh), R Ford (Edinburgh), C Fusaro (Glasgow), G Gilchrist (Edinburgh) R Grant (Glasgow), J Gray (Glasgow), R Gray (Castres), J Hamilton (Montpellier), R Harley (Glasgow), A Kellock (Glasgow), S Lawson (Newcastle), K Low (London Irish), M Low (Glasgow), P MacArthur (Glasgow), E Murray (Worcester), A Strokosch (Perpignan), T Swinson (Glasgow), J Welsh (Glasgow)
*Sorry for not updating this sooner. My girlfriend and I broke up a few weeks ago after four and a half years, three living together. I've been in a pretty bad place. However, I'm getting better and looking forward to these games so I'll continue to contribute when I can
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OK here is my Scotland XV for Japan:
Grant
MacArthur
Welsh
R Gray
Swinson
Strokosch
Fusaro
Denton
Laidlaw
Jackson
Visser
Scott
Dunbar
Seymour
Maitland
and some thoughts on why:
I've gone for a fairly strong side I think, because I think we have to take Japan seriously, and also because having a fairly settled side will be good for us. I'm generally favouring form over reputation.
At 6: I do think Kelly Brown is overall a higher calibre player, but I couldn't bring myself to drop Strokosch. I'm a believer in rewarding good form and his performances in all three summer tests were outstanding. For me the shirt is his to lose right now.
At 8: I think Beattie is still injured and might struggle to be fully fit which is why I've gone for Denton at 8.
At 10: Jackson is the form fly half at the moment and deserves to start even though I think Weir will turn out better in time.
At 11: I am of the opinion that Visser's attacking abilities outweigh his defensive flaws.
Grant
MacArthur
Welsh
R Gray
Swinson
Strokosch
Fusaro
Denton
Laidlaw
Jackson
Visser
Scott
Dunbar
Seymour
Maitland
and some thoughts on why:
I've gone for a fairly strong side I think, because I think we have to take Japan seriously, and also because having a fairly settled side will be good for us. I'm generally favouring form over reputation.
At 6: I do think Kelly Brown is overall a higher calibre player, but I couldn't bring myself to drop Strokosch. I'm a believer in rewarding good form and his performances in all three summer tests were outstanding. For me the shirt is his to lose right now.
At 8: I think Beattie is still injured and might struggle to be fully fit which is why I've gone for Denton at 8.
At 10: Jackson is the form fly half at the moment and deserves to start even though I think Weir will turn out better in time.
At 11: I am of the opinion that Visser's attacking abilities outweigh his defensive flaws.
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I like your team Pat. I don't think I would change much to be honest. What would your bench look like?
I was wondering whether I might try Hamilton and Swinson in the boiler house against South Africa, with Ritchie and Harley on the bench? Or would that be madness?
I was wondering whether I might try Hamilton and Swinson in the boiler house against South Africa, with Ritchie and Harley on the bench? Or would that be madness?
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Bench would be something like:
Ford, Dickinson, Cross, J Gray, Wilson, Cusiter, Heathcote, Bennett.
Edinburgh front row there, I know Cross hasn't played much recently but neither has Murray so Cross makes the cut because he is alongside teammates and less likely to retire before the World Cup. I know I said I wasn't taking Japan lightly but I do want to see J Gray and Bennett involved and I don't think they would let us down. Ryan Wilson ahead of Brown/Harley because I prefer the attacking option of a number 8 over the defensive option of a blindside on my bench - just personal preference. Heathcote vs Weir is 50/50 with neither having started many games recently.
All selections are subject to the weather - the likes of Weir & Lamont would probably feature in a downpour.
Ford, Dickinson, Cross, J Gray, Wilson, Cusiter, Heathcote, Bennett.
Edinburgh front row there, I know Cross hasn't played much recently but neither has Murray so Cross makes the cut because he is alongside teammates and less likely to retire before the World Cup. I know I said I wasn't taking Japan lightly but I do want to see J Gray and Bennett involved and I don't think they would let us down. Ryan Wilson ahead of Brown/Harley because I prefer the attacking option of a number 8 over the defensive option of a blindside on my bench - just personal preference. Heathcote vs Weir is 50/50 with neither having started many games recently.
All selections are subject to the weather - the likes of Weir & Lamont would probably feature in a downpour.
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Hamilton-Swinson started against South Africa in the summer and did well, they certainly would not take a step back. I don't know if I would drop Richie but if I was picking the team it would depend a lot on performances in the Japan game. I do think South Africa might target Hamilton to wind him up after his yellow card helped turn the game last time.
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I completely forgot Hamilton & Swinson started. Fair play.
I think Wilson is out injured though.
I think Wilson is out injured though.
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Ah is he, I just read his name at the top of this thread and assumed he was an option. Bit short of 8s then if he and Beattie fail to recover. Not a huge fan of Vernon to be honest. Would probably go for Brown or Barclay for the bench spot then. Or Maybe Harley. Too many good options at the moment!
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I'd personally go for:
Maitland, Seymour, Bennett, Dunbar, Lamont, Jackson, Cusiter; Grant, MacArthur, Welsh, Gray, Swinson, Strokosch, Fusaro, Brown
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, Gray, Harley, Pyrgos, Weir, Taylor
Maitland, Seymour, Bennett, Dunbar, Lamont, Jackson, Cusiter; Grant, MacArthur, Welsh, Gray, Swinson, Strokosch, Fusaro, Brown
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, Gray, Harley, Pyrgos, Weir, Taylor
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19 Glasgow players and another 2 ex-Glasgow! Could you not swap Strokosch and Taylor for Vernon and McGuigan?AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I'd personally go for:
Maitland, Seymour, Bennett, Dunbar, Lamont, Jackson, Cusiter; Grant, MacArthur, Welsh, Gray, Swinson, Strokosch, Fusaro, Brown
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, Gray, Harley, Pyrgos, Weir, Taylor
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Shhh, pat, the MFLs will get all antsy
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Strokosch at 6 is definitely arguable. Kelly has played 8 for us in the past though...or are we now beyond picking specialists out of position?
Swinson/Hamilton is an epic, stodgy, niggly, traditional boiler house and that is why it worked against the Boks. Conventionally, I'd'prefer to have the dynamism and carrying that Richie Gray offers but only if he is currently playing well. Slightly perturbed by the lack of reports about Gray R. Has he been playing at all? WhoCares - can you offer any comment?
Grant, Pat and Angela, if not our best front row, will definitely be the one that will take us to the next world cup.
I actually think, based on the SJ interviews that I've seen, that our London Irish boys will see some action against the Blossoms.
Have to go for a swim now - I'm still p!ssed off about the Glasgow result.
Swinson/Hamilton is an epic, stodgy, niggly, traditional boiler house and that is why it worked against the Boks. Conventionally, I'd'prefer to have the dynamism and carrying that Richie Gray offers but only if he is currently playing well. Slightly perturbed by the lack of reports about Gray R. Has he been playing at all? WhoCares - can you offer any comment?
Grant, Pat and Angela, if not our best front row, will definitely be the one that will take us to the next world cup.
I actually think, based on the SJ interviews that I've seen, that our London Irish boys will see some action against the Blossoms.
Have to go for a swim now - I'm still p!ssed off about the Glasgow result.
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Are the games going to be shown on the bbc?
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Yep, although the Japan game is on the red button.poddy89 wrote:Are the games going to be shown on the bbc?
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great will be alot better than watching games on online streams, thank you
Yep, although the Japan game is on the red buttonpoddy89 wrote:Are the games going to be shown on the bbc?
great will be alot better than watching games on online streams, thank you
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this is the squad that played against SA in the summer, what would we keep the same/ change about it for this time round?
obviously horne is out and i would replace him with wier, who i may or may not start as its a close call for a few reasons,
would like to include maitland in the squad and at the moment he would probably swap with murchie
id drop prygros as just doesnt look up for the job, and would bring in cusiter to the bench
think id have denton starting 8 and not sure who would get his bench spot
15. Peter Murchie
14. Sean Lamont
14. Seymour
13. Alex Dunbar
12. Matthew Scott
10. Ruaridh Jackson
9. Greig Laidlaw
1. Alasdair Dickinson
2. Scott Lawson
3. Euan Murray
4. Tim Swinson
5. Jim Hamilton
6. Alasdair Strokosch
7. Ryan Wilson
8. Johnnie Beattie
16. Steven Lawrie
17. Moray Low
18. Jon Welsh
19. Alastair Kellock
20. Denton
21. Henry Pyrgos
22. Peter Horne
23. Duncan Taylor
obviously horne is out and i would replace him with wier, who i may or may not start as its a close call for a few reasons,
would like to include maitland in the squad and at the moment he would probably swap with murchie
id drop prygros as just doesnt look up for the job, and would bring in cusiter to the bench
think id have denton starting 8 and not sure who would get his bench spot
15. Peter Murchie
14. Sean Lamont
14. Seymour
13. Alex Dunbar
12. Matthew Scott
10. Ruaridh Jackson
9. Greig Laidlaw
1. Alasdair Dickinson
2. Scott Lawson
3. Euan Murray
4. Tim Swinson
5. Jim Hamilton
6. Alasdair Strokosch
7. Ryan Wilson
8. Johnnie Beattie
16. Steven Lawrie
17. Moray Low
18. Jon Welsh
19. Alastair Kellock
20. Denton
21. Henry Pyrgos
22. Peter Horne
23. Duncan Taylor
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duncan taylor and kelly brown the two try scorers for saracens in there loss against northampton today, always nice to see scottish players finding the try line
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Really hope his injury isn't as bad as that. Don't like the prospect of heading into a campaign with our 2 most exciting backs missing.The Courier wrote:Tim Visser is set to miss Scotland’s autumn Test campaign after suffering a suspected broken ankle
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I don't think it's one we have to be overly worried about, we still have good options in the back 3, seymour and Taylor wouldn't be bad on the wings, both know there way over the try line, although Taylor could seriously be pushing Scott for the 12, or a needed sub to cover centres, but even there we have choices,
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With Japan playing the all blacks the weekend before us how do you think this will effect the Japan team?
Will they play first choice team in both matches?
Will they weaken a team for the all blacks and target Scotland
If best team for both, Will a thumping from New Zealand help them or not? I mean we went on to beat south africa last time the week after our all black game
Will they play first choice team in both matches?
Will they weaken a team for the all blacks and target Scotland
If best team for both, Will a thumping from New Zealand help them or not? I mean we went on to beat south africa last time the week after our all black game
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Watched the match and Taylor was pretty good, commentator even made a point of saying so. I think he's a serious challenge to Matt Scott for the 12 shirt.poddy89 wrote:duncan taylor and kelly brown the two try scorers for saracens in there loss against northampton today, always nice to see scottish players finding the try line
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Yeah he has done well this season and has got alot of game time and has started most times he is in the 23
Will be interesting to see who gets the start and who will partner, it is such a new feeling for us scottish fans actually having to choose between players for positive reasons
Really looking forward to next month, might just be my usualy false optimism but feel i have fair reason too be this time
Will be interesting to see who gets the start and who will partner, it is such a new feeling for us scottish fans actually having to choose between players for positive reasons
Really looking forward to next month, might just be my usualy false optimism but feel i have fair reason too be this time
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Matt Scott - 12AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I'd personally go for:
Maitland, Seymour, Bennett, Dunbar, Lamont, Jackson, Cusiter; Grant, MacArthur, Welsh, Gray, Swinson, Strokosch, Fusaro, Brown
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, Gray, Harley, Pyrgos, Weir, Taylor
Otherwise outstanding team selection.
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Yeah he has done well this season and has got alot of game time and has started most times he is in the 23
Will be interesting to see who gets the start and who will partner, it is such a new feeling for us scottish fans actually having to choose between players for positive reasons
Really looking forward to next month, might just be my usualy false optimism but feel i have fair reason too be this time
Will be interesting to see who gets the start and who will partner, it is such a new feeling for us scottish fans actually having to choose between players for positive reasons
Really looking forward to next month, might just be my usualy false optimism but feel i have fair reason too be this time
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Phone just sent that message again!
Think from that squad you must drop pyrgos as he just isn't up to it, I'd bring in Laidlaw and probably start him and drop cusiter to bench,
I think Id agree that Scott starts at 12 with Bennett or Dunbar at 13 happy either way, although Taylor has been on very good form at 12 so tight call, Taylor could go wing instead of Lamont buy might be best as a fresh 12
Think from that squad you must drop pyrgos as he just isn't up to it, I'd bring in Laidlaw and probably start him and drop cusiter to bench,
I think Id agree that Scott starts at 12 with Bennett or Dunbar at 13 happy either way, although Taylor has been on very good form at 12 so tight call, Taylor could go wing instead of Lamont buy might be best as a fresh 12
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I hear that was pretty rubbish against Munster - so he is a mere mortal after all?
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He wasn't great but then with the exception of DTH every Glasgow back on the pitch was urine poor. And given how deep Weir was standing, combined with Lamont's inability to pass properly it can't have been much fun for the
On the subject of 13s, De Luca got MOTM on Friday didn't he..?
On the subject of 13s, De Luca got MOTM on Friday didn't he..?
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RDW, I'm sure even Hendrix, Ian Curtis and Mozart had their off days...RDW_Scotland wrote:I hear that was pretty rubbish against Munster - so he is a mere mortal after all?
In truth, Bennett was pretty poor on Friday, though not conspicuously so - the whole backline seemed to be infected with inexplicable crapness.
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I'm bot suddenly saying he's a rubbish player before anyone jumps to any wrong conclusions!
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I still maintain that Toonie got the backline wrong for the Munster game. Ascarate should have been at 12, and when Seymour couldn't play Lamont should have been on the wing. Ascarate and Bennett would have been a better centre partnership, with DTH, Lamont and Maitland forming the back three (and McGuigan covering on the bench).IanBru wrote:RDW, I'm sure even Hendrix, Ian Curtis and Mozart had their off days...RDW_Scotland wrote:I hear that was pretty rubbish against Munster - so he is a mere mortal after all?
In truth, Bennett was pretty poor on Friday, though not conspicuously so - the whole backline seemed to be infected with inexplicable crapness.
I think Horne is really being missed. Dunbar can't play every game, and there's a gap in the squad for a natural 12. Sean Lamont isn't the answer in my view. I know he's done a half decent job in that role for Scotland in the past, but Glasgow play a far more expansive style of rugby, and a Weir/Lamont axis just isn't good enough from a distribution perspective to bring the excellent Glasgow back three into the game. Lamont strength is still coming off his wing into the line and running off the midfield. That way the opposition aren't lined-up for him, as Munter well.
In the same way that I cut NDL some slack for having to cope outside Morrison, Atiga and S Lamont in the past, I'll give Bennett the same benefit of the doubt. Hard to maximise Bennett's quick feet and pace so far behind the advantage line and having to reach all over the place to catch the ball. It's as bad as I've seen the Glasgow backs for a while. It was like watching Edinburgh.....
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Massie must have been drunk when he wrote this, or perhaps hasn't see Lee Jones play since 2012, or "out with injury" is code for "was totally gash":
Alan Massie wrote:ALL coaches like to spring the occasional surprise, and the selection of a 41-man preliminary Scotland squad allowed Scott Johnson to make two unexpected picks, the London Irish forwards, Blair Cowan and Kieran Low, whom few of us have seen, or can remember seeing, in action.
Such a large squad means that there can be few surprising omissions, though Roddy Grant and Lee Jones may have reason to think themselves hard done by.
Grant was one of the few Edinburgh players to survive the club’s dreadful last season with his reputation enhanced. Jones, out with injury for most of it, hasn’t found favour with Edinburgh’s new coach, Alan Solomons, who seems to prefer large wingers, but Andy Robinson thought highly of him and he played well throughout the Six Nations in 2012. It will be sad – not only for us in Selkirk – if he has fallen off the radar.
Such a large squad gives no hint as to the players likely to start in the autumn internationals, though I suppose Johnson has a fairly clear idea of what his best XV might be. Yet, to the fairly unprejudiced eye, there would seem to be only a handful of players who can be sure of their places: Stuart Hogg (though he is unfit just now), Sean Maitland, Matt Scott and Greig Laidlaw in the back division, and Ryan Grant, Euan Murray, Richie Gray and, probably, Kelly Brown up front.
Since the first match is against Japan, improving but weaker than South Africa and Australia who come later, many would probably like to see some of the uncapped players chosen for that game – perhaps the two youngest, Mark Bennett and Jonny Gray, both of whom have been playing outstandingly for Glasgow. Yet the Japan match also gives Johnson the chance to give his preferred first XV a run-out in a match that Scotland will be expected to win. This makes it likely that the youngsters will, at most, be given a second-half canter.
Last season’s November internationals were the other way round, as it were, with the sternest test, against New Zealand, coming first, and the supposedly easiest, against Tonga, as the third game. That, of course, was lost, but I doubt if I’m alone in thinking it would have been won, even comfortably won, if the order of matches had been reversed and it hadn’t come after gruelling games against the All Blacks and the Springboks.
There is competition for places throughout the team, which is a nice change from times when the question hasn’t been “who should we leave out?” I would suspect that the pecking order at fly-half is currently Ruaridh Jackson, Duncan Weir, Tom Heathcote. Jackson has been playing very well, the best rugby of his career, for Glasgow, while Weir is finding his way back after injury and Heathcote has usually been kept out of the Bath team by the very talented and young George Ford. Yet much may depend on the style in which Johnson wants to play, and that may depend on the forecast weather conditions. If these seem to indicate that a kicking game makes better sense than a running and passing one, then Weir might get the nod.
How much importance should be attached to the set scrum? The revised laws mean that, though many scrums still result in penalties, there are also better opportunities to use it as a source of quick ball and a means to get the backs running than there have been for a long time. In the last two or three seasons, the Scotland scrum has tended to go well when Jim Hamilton is one of the locks, and badly when he is missing. So, while he might be left out against Japan, he should surely be there, alongside the elder Gray against South Africa, because they are always good scrummagers, and Australia because they usually aren’t. We will need to hold our own against the Springboks in the scrum and should look to dominate Australia there.
The back row poses problems of balance as much as of personnel. The skilful Chris Fusaro must surely be introduced to the international scene this autumn; Scottish teams nearly always do best with a natural seven. Ross Rennie may be our best in that position but is sadly injury-prone. So Fusaro must be given the experience sooner rather than later. Brown can play in any of the back-row position, but is best at six, where there is competition from Alasdair Strokosch, while the resurgent David Denton competes with Johnnie Beattie at eight.
Tough choices, but the kind of choices a coach surely likes to have; the kind of choices, one might add, which offer a stiff test of the coach’s judgement. From what we have learned of Johnson, the biggest surprise would be if he didn’t surprise us. Let us hope that whatever he pulls from his hat doesn’t turn out to be a rabbit
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Massie definitely has his Selkirk tinted glasses on there!
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Pretty sure the squad could have been 68 strong and Lee Jones would still have had no legitimate axe to grind!!
Agree with much of the rest of the article though, although I think Tim Swinson deserves to factor heavily in the second row debate. If Hamilton must play to stabilise the scrum, then I think Swinson has a strong claim to be picked ahead of Richie Gray, based on what I've seen this season.
I particularly agree with his comments re: Fusaro. I'd certainly start him against Japan and give him 80 minutes to impress. Perhaps give Brown and Strokosch 40 minutes each at 6.
Agree with much of the rest of the article though, although I think Tim Swinson deserves to factor heavily in the second row debate. If Hamilton must play to stabilise the scrum, then I think Swinson has a strong claim to be picked ahead of Richie Gray, based on what I've seen this season.
I particularly agree with his comments re: Fusaro. I'd certainly start him against Japan and give him 80 minutes to impress. Perhaps give Brown and Strokosch 40 minutes each at 6.
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The squad could be made up of the entire Jones family and he’d still have no right to feel aggrieved…..I’ve taken that too far haven’t I.
Agree the rest of the article makes sense and in general I agree with it.
Agree the rest of the article makes sense and in general I agree with it.
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Re: Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
EWT Spoons wrote:The squad could be made up of the entire Jones family and he’d still have no right to feel aggrieved…..I’ve taken that too far haven’t I.
Nope.
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Re: Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
15 Maitland
14 Seymour
13 Bennett
12 Scott
11 Visser
10 Jackson
09 Laidlaw
01 Grant
02 MacArthur
03 Welsh
04 Hamilton
05 Swinson
06 Strokosch
07 Fusaro
08 Denton
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, R Gray, Brown, Cusiter, Weir, Lamont
Seriously, fellers.
14 Seymour
13 Bennett
12 Scott
11 Visser
10 Jackson
09 Laidlaw
01 Grant
02 MacArthur
03 Welsh
04 Hamilton
05 Swinson
06 Strokosch
07 Fusaro
08 Denton
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, R Gray, Brown, Cusiter, Weir, Lamont
Seriously, fellers.
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Re: Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
Almost agreed there, GC. I would change Lamont on the bench for Taylor, though I can see the rationale behind having Schlong - what he lacks in willingness to pass, he more than makes up for in guts and passion. I agree with Johnno though, nobody should be in the squad for their passion - everyone should be passionate. If you're not passionate about playing for Scotland, and you're not willing to give it your all, you shouldn't be there.
Also not convinced by Kalman on the bench, I've never been convinced by him. Is Low being a TH or a LH this week? If he's being a TH like against Munster then I'd have him and Dickinson as our replacement props, though I can see that they may be a little bit lightweight. We desperately need some decentfatties tighthead props coming through.
Also not convinced by Kalman on the bench, I've never been convinced by him. Is Low being a TH or a LH this week? If he's being a TH like against Munster then I'd have him and Dickinson as our replacement props, though I can see that they may be a little bit lightweight. We desperately need some decent
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I'd be happy with that. A well thought through selection.George Carlin wrote:15 Maitland
14 Seymour
13 Bennett
12 Scott
11 Visser
10 Jackson
09 Laidlaw
01 Grant
02 MacArthur
03 Welsh
04 Hamilton
05 Swinson
06 Strokosch
07 Fusaro
08 Denton
Bench: Hall, Low, Kalman, R Gray, Brown, Cusiter, Weir, Lamont
Seriously, fellers.
I might switch Lamont with Duncan Taylor for Japan, and switch Brown and Strokosch for South Africa and Australia. I'd also move out Hall for anyone.
The bench props are quite tricky, and I'd say Dickinson has gone pretty well this season for Edinburgh. Reserve tighthead is trickier. I'd go with Euan Murray for Japan and Australia, and probably Murray Low for South Africa. Geoff Cross really needs to start a game for Edinburgh, he's being left behind a little.
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Taylor and Visser are apparently the only 2 players who will not train with the squad this week after picking up injuries. A few others are said to be playing a limited part in training due to bumps and bruises but hopefully this means Beattie and Dunbar, who I had thought were injured, will be available.
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Thanks Pat. Makes the no 8 selection a bit more difficult.
How can we pick Beattie with so little game time?
How can we pick Beattie with so little game time?
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That's the problem I suppose, we probably can't. If Denton was on last season's form I would want to throw Beattie straight in but he's been pretty decent so far this year so probably deserves to start. I might still be tempted to see Beattie on the bench since I like to have an impact ball carrying type back row to call on. But it's a tough call. Hope Taylor makes a quick recovery (Visser too although that seems less likely)
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Re: Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
We can't in my view, and worth noting that Denton hasn't played badly this season either. Until Beattie starts playing, Denton starts. The other option (the ASBO anti-MFL option) is to ignore Denton and play Brown out of position at 8, allowing both Strokosch and Brown to start. Clearly Brown can do a job at 8, he's a good allrounder, but Denton is a better and more powerful ball carrier and it is in that respect I think he should be starting (particularly if we are serious about Gray being on the bench).George Carlin wrote:Thanks Pat. Makes the no 8 selection a bit more difficult.
How can we pick Beattie with so little game time?
Unfortunate for Ryan Wilson that's he's injured. Had he stayed fit I suspect he'd be starting in the AIs.
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It takes at least a month for a properly stubbed toe to recover, and there were added complications as he cracked a nail as well. Hopefully he'll be fit for the World Cup.Pat_Mustard wrote:Hope Taylor makes a quick recovery (Visser too although that seems less likely)
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So, do we think that NDL has got himself back into contention for the outside centre shirt? And if so, are we concerned by this development?
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Visser's out for 3-4 months.
So, we're looking at a Seymour, Maitland, Lamont back three for the AIs.
So, we're looking at a Seymour, Maitland, Lamont back three for the AIs.
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Crikey. That settles the dodgy defence argument.
4 months. I feel for the guy and really hope he comes back fully fit.
Will Max Evans come onto the bench? Or maybe Tonks provides enough versatility?
Its a blow to lose Hogg and Visser though.
4 months. I feel for the guy and really hope he comes back fully fit.
Will Max Evans come onto the bench? Or maybe Tonks provides enough versatility?
Its a blow to lose Hogg and Visser though.
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Re: Scotland XV for Autumn Internationals
Fairly typical of following Scotland that I need to use my 5,000th post on these boards to comment about a fecking injury crisis.
Doh, with a side order of sh!te.
Doh, with a side order of sh!te.
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Damn, that's bad news about Visser. And 3-4 months means he might miss the 6 Nations as well
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Almost certainly. November, December, January, February.GLove39 wrote:Damn, that's bad news about Visser. And 3-4 months means he might miss the 6 Nations as well
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Said the same thing on the Glasgow & Edinburgh banter page (or whatever it's actually called).GLove39 wrote:Damn, that's bad news about Visser. And 3-4 months means he might miss the 6 Nations as well
Quite a loss, I know there are questions regarding his defence, but his try scoring ability cannot be questioned...well except how he doesn't go for behind the posts. Really annoys me that. I know Laidlaw is pretty handy with the boot, but he could try occasionally making it easier for him.
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Just discovered I've newly got Premier Sports TV on Virgin Media (Channel 551) so I'll be watching Scotland take on Tonga tonight in the Rugby League World Cup.
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