One fight to sell a boxer

Evening all,

Fighters can get a reputation that sticks with them forever.

If you had to pick one fight to show people what your fighter was/is which would it be?

Calzaghe. The Lacy fight

Ali v Williams. Violent poetry in motion

I'd personally go with Kessler for Calzaghe, his best performance.

Manny - Cotto. Very good that night against a slightly drained Cotto.

Manny in his first fight with vs Barrera

Lumbering_Jack wrote:I'd personally go with Kessler for Calzaghe, his best performance

I actually agree in terms of substance but the Lacy one just looks a bit more flashy

Iv always thought the Eubanks victory was under-rated mind putting him down twice and kinda shows how good Joe was when his hands were solid. Eubanks has seen better days no denying but its still a great fight to watch IMO

If we are talking George Foreman it has to be him manhandling Joe Frazier for 2 rounds but the war against Ron Lyle is one where he shows his metal

Froch - either of Kessler fights

Gatti - Ward I

Mayweather - any clinic from last 3 years

Ortiz - Maidana. Bit harsh, but his mentality in that fight and the May fight tell you all about him

If I was to pick a Khan fight I would say the Maidana one (apart from the round where Khan is staggering around like a drunken Steffan in Cardiff on a Friday night)

The Lacy fight was painful to watch. Was clear from round 8 or 9 that he had nothing left. Was pleading with the TV for his corner or ref to pull him out.

Was a total clinic.

Pacquiao vs Hatton.....

Also Hatton vs Tzyu. Was a brilliant war where the under dog pulled it out of the bag.

Any Mayweatger fight because the guys is simply untouchable.

Defo agree on the Ortiz analysis Sean, good shout there. He has such a fragile mindset, similar to David Price.

Mayweather isn't untouchable, despite popular belief.

Floyd's best performance is probably Corrales. Not had a real stand out win like that for a while .

Nigel Benn - the Gman fight. Always know for being at his most dangerous when hurt

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Mayweather isn't untouchable, despite popular belief.

Floyd's best performance is probably Corrales. Not had a real stand out win like that for a while .

Geez............. .......The sad thing is he actually believes it.......but Kessler winning a contentious decision over Froch is a standout win  ......I'm sorry just the the tripe some wallies come out with it.......

That's Kessler guys.......you know the guy who's better than Castillo, Guerrero, Alvarez, Oscar, Hatton and Marquez etc etc........The useless no marks that Nayweather hasn't been impressive beating.........

50% had Froch winning anyway........    

Nunn vs Tate................An Olympic and world champion and great technician in Tate gets a Boxing clinic from Michael Nunn........

Best performance I've seen.............

Kessler is a better super middleweight than Guerrero and Marquez are as Welterweights, too much emphasise on this p4p garbage. Wouldn't have him a million miles away from Hatton, Alvarez or the 35 year old version of De La Hoya either. Castillo fair enough is a better lightweight than Kessler is at his best weight.

How do you know how good Guerrero is at welter........Or Marquez.......

stupid statement........Guerrero and Marquez are better fighters period.....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Mayweather isn't untouchable, despite popular belief.

Floyd's best performance is probably Corrales. Not had a real stand out win like that for a while .

Geez............. .......The sad thing is he actually believes it.......but Kessler winning a contentious decision over Froch is a standout win  ......I'm sorry just the the tripe some wallies come out with it.......

That's Kessler guys.......you know the guy who's better than Castillo, Guerrero, Alvarez, Oscar, Hatton and Marquez etc etc........The useless no marks that Nayweather hasn't been impressive beating.........

50% had Froch winning anyway........    

Nunn vs Tate................An Olympic and world champion and great technician in Tate gets a Boxing clinic from Michael Nunn........

Best performance I've seen.............

What are you blabbering on about you old fool.

I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Seriously disagree Guerrero is as effective a welter as Kessler is a super middle. But anyway...


Martinez v Williams. Either of them.

Oh dear. The Geordie and the Manc...I mean Yank (just kidding Truss )  at it again

Ah well I got nothing better to do I guess

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Again, you silly old fool, what are you blabbering on about.

Who said anything about Froch.

Steffan wrote:Oh dear. The Geordie and the Manc...I mean Yank (just kidding Truss )  at it again

Ah well I got nothing better to do I guess

I take it back.........

That was beautiful Truss

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Again, you silly old fool, what are you blabbering on about.

Who said anything about Froch.

why can't you debate without being abusive ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How do you know how good Guerrero is at welter........Or Marquez.......

stupid statement........Guerrero and Marquez are better fighters period.....

You can't just fall back on the mythical p4p lists, Kessler is as far as i'm concerned better than Kessler regardless of weight, he's a proven world champion at 168lbs. Guerrero gets bigged up because he fought Mayweather while Marquez was in no shape to fight at Welterweight when he faced him.

I'm falling back on the fact he's a three weight world champion..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Again, you silly old fool, what are you blabbering on about.

Who said anything about Froch.

why can't you debate without being abusive ??

Bit ironic coming from the man famed for his expletive filled rants.

Stop responding to me. You said I wasn't worth the time in your last post you contradictory muppet.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Steffan wrote:Oh dear. The Geordie and the Manc...I mean Yank (just kidding Truss )  at it again

Ah well I got nothing better to do I guess

I take it back.........

I tell you what Truss...you drop your constant 'Welsh are cowards. No fight. No soldiers in Wales etc.' and il drop calling you a Manc who wants to be a Yank

Up to you sir...

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Again, you silly old fool, what are you blabbering on about.

Who said anything about Froch.

why can't you debate without being abusive ??

Bit ironic coming from the man famed for his expletive filled rants.

Stop responding to me. You said I wasn't worth the time in your last post you contradictory muppet.

Okay........no loss there.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I take it back Lumbering you aren't worth the time...

great choice Froch-Kessler........Forget my post..

Again, you silly old fool, what are you blabbering on about.

Who said anything about Froch.

why can't you debate without being abusive ??

Bit ironic coming from the man famed for his expletive filled rants.

Stop responding to me. You said I wasn't worth the time in your last post you contradictory muppet.

Okay........no loss there.

And again... Jut can't stop stalking me you horrid little creep.

I'm off to bed. Hopefully you aren't lurking outside.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm falling back on the fact he's a three weight world champion..

So was Duke Mckenzie, he was an alphabet champion at each weight Truss, he has to be one of the weakest triple weight champions. He's not exactly up there with De La Hoya, Marquez, Donaire or Mosley is he of recent times. Arce was a five weight champion of sorts but I wouldn't consider him to be one of Donaires better wins.

Ha ha why would I stalk this vile creep.......Who offers nothing.......

He wishes..

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm falling back on the fact he's a three weight world champion..

So was Duke Mckenzie, he was an alphabet champion at each weight Truss, he has to be one of the weakest triple weight champions. He's not exactly up there with De La Hoya, Marquez, Donaire or Mosley is he of recent times. Arce was a five weight champion of sorts but I wouldn't consider him to be one of Donaires better wins.

Thank God your here Mate...full of cocks on here tonight.........

Guerrero is better than Mckenzie Mate...had some good wins.......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm falling back on the fact he's a three weight world champion..

So was Duke Mckenzie, he was an alphabet champion at each weight Truss, he has to be one of the weakest triple weight champions. He's not exactly up there with De La Hoya, Marquez, Donaire or Mosley is he of recent times. Arce was a five weight champion of sorts but I wouldn't consider him to be one of Donaires better wins.

Thank God your here Mate...full of cocks on here tonight.........

Guerrero is better than Mckenzie Mate...had some good wins.......

I'm not saying Guerrero isn't good but the three weight champion thing sounds impressive but it's very misleading, he's good he's just not that good.

Out of all the fights you can pick though ........A contentious Froch-Kessler 1 is laughable though isn't it.......

Poor guy knows sack all apart from how to chuck bile and abuse at people..

I would say it showcases Froch for what he is, a tough SOB but with vulnerabilities, would have picked the Pascal fight though personally.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm falling back on the fact he's a three weight world champion..

So was Duke Mckenzie, he was an alphabet champion at each weight Truss, he has to be one of the weakest triple weight champions. He's not exactly up there with De La Hoya, Marquez, Donaire or Mosley is he of recent times. Arce was a five weight champion of sorts but I wouldn't consider him to be one of Donaires better wins.

Thank God your here Mate...full of cocks on here tonight.........

Guerrero is better than Mckenzie Mate...had some good wins.......

I'm not saying Guerrero isn't good but the three weight champion thing sounds impressive but it's very misleading, he's good he's just not that good.

Not sure how it's misleading.......He lost to Mayweather who is the best..

His record consists of an old Casamayor, an shopworn Katsidis, the decent Aydin and the not very good Berto. He's never really beaten anyone for his titles and personally I consider him a two weight champion, I can't class him as a champion at either lightweight or Welterweight.

Well Truss?

A good technician though.............Who's done all he's been asked..

He's good but nothing more than that, he's never excelled.

When he won his featheweight title he beat Aiken??? when Marquez and John held titles, at super featherweight there were Soto and Valero then at lightweight there was Marquez, he's taken the path of least resistance.

he may still excel......His destruction of Katsidis was beautiful.......

To be honest anyone with aspirations of being a world champion should be destroying Katsidis, watching Marquez pummel him was difficult viewing. He's a cult figure who's got an inflated reputation off the back of being exciting, a bit like Gatti but not half as good.

I agree......but the way he outclasssed him was telling as regard to his talent..

Burns outclassed him too Truss but even still that was down at lightweight, 12lbs south of Welterweight.

Burns performance........Wasn't as impressive and came after his horrible hammering against guerrera..

You'll concede that.......

I will but Guerrero's came after Marquez, Diaz and Casamayor, I wouldn't say he's one of JMM's best wins but he is Guerreros, puts into some context.

No but you can be a respected top fighter without beating alltimers.....

I regard Hill as Hearns best win.........

Virgil Hill was a top quality 175lber though Truss, you had to be an exceptional boxer to beat him, Hearns was simply brilliant that night while Jones and Dariusz are the best 175lbers of the past 20 years.

Guerrero is a tough nights work for anyone from Lightweight to Welterweight, with the exception of Floyd apparently. He does everything well but doesn't really excel in any one area, other than maybe being one tough SOB. I don't think we'll ever really see how good he could have been given the situation with his wife and now with the pay day of fighting Floyd I'll be a bit surprised if he fights again.

The 2 fights to sell Floyd on would be Corrales and Alvarez. Punch perfect against Corrales and showed more of an offensive arsenal as well which went a bit missing as he moved up in weight. The Alvarez fight I would pick as it was comfortably out classing someone who must have outweighed him by close to 20lbs in a fight everyone wanted to see and not many thought he would take (myself included). Added to that the performances are over a decade apart and you know you've got a special fighter.

Unbeaten hatton was a clinic..........