French fans reject the new c cup

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http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/Le-rugby-francais-est-il-devenu-fou/407167

Equipe have a poll up on the new c cup. It asks "After 18 years of existence and increased popularity of this competition (h cup) do you think that this new project is detrimental for rugby?"

72% have voted yes, 28% no.
13,800 or so voted.

"Les clubs français et anglais menacent de créer une nouvelle Coupe d'Europe la saison prochaine. Sur fond de guerre entre Fédération anglaise et ERC, l’organisme qui gère les deux Coupes d’Europe, se profile une Rugby Champions Cup au profil encore flou, les Ecossais, Irlandais et Gallois n’ayant pas rejoint la fronde franco-anglaise.
Alors qu'après 18 ans d'existence la compétition a gagné en popularité, ce projet est-il préjudiciable pour le rugby ?"

Oui
72%

Non
28%

The phrasing of the question speaks volumes for the writers opinion, even so, this is a large majority against the idea of this new competition. The other polls are interesting too.

How keen will the LNR be to fight for a tournament that their fans don't embrace?

munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Munchkin wrote:

quinsforever wrote:franglo clubs are threatening to create a new euro cup next season. against the background of a war between english federation (i think he actually means prl) and ERC, the body which manages euro cups, lurks a RCC short on detail, the scots, irish and welsh not having joined this anglo-french sling (this is a weapon used historically by mobs to smash windows!!!). So after 18 years of existence where the competition has grown in popularity, is this project bad for rugby?

It's interesting though, mystirquins, that it only mentions a battle between PRL, and ERC, and not PRL/LNR, and ERC?

actually it only mentions a battle between RFU and ERC. so i suspect that whoever wrote the qn has no clue. so i wouldnt read too much into it.

Down to two mins, he's got the second laptop out

mystiroakey wrote:munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Of course it's ok, so long as yourself, and yourself, don't have a disagreement then there will be no confusion  

Munchkin wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Of course it's ok, so long as yourself, and yourself, don't have a disagreement then there will be no confusion  

luckily we haven't so far. But i am not ruling it out!

ME-109 wrote:Down to two mins, he's got the second laptop out

Funny now, but this will end in tears. Have you seen the end of that Anthony Hopkins film? Not good.

mystiroakey wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Of course it's ok, so long as yourself, and yourself, don't have a disagreement then there will be no confusion  

luckily we haven't so far. But i am not ruling it out!

  fair play.

mystir, don't let them get your goat. i have seen this before. whenever anyone makes logical or rational comments that they hate, they adopt a chippy, snide tactic of accusing you of being the same person or an employee or a wummer.

they are just trying to get you to overreact.

i actually think its pretty funny.

must mean points were scored.

 

Munchkin wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Of course it's ok, so long as yourself, and yourself, don't have a disagreement then there will be no confusion  

That would be very unseemly. 109 they've both been online simultaneously for a while so there must be two device deployed if your suspicions are correct.

mystiroakey wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:munchkin- As my alter ego posted the original statement i will let him answer.

Is that ok with you?

Of course it's ok, so long as yourself, and yourself, don't have a disagreement then there will be no confusion  

luckily we haven't so far. But i am not ruling it out!

Maybe you could arrange to meet up for a pint?

Anyone remember the old Tommy Cooper routine

quinn I am out of here dude. You can have the late shift!




(my girlfriend wants her laptop back!!)

have a good one. i'll stay here and argue with the inmates a bit longer

its a good night from me! And a good night from him

I started this to hopefully hear a bit more about the French reaction, fans and FFR and LNR. Does anyone have any more knowledge about this? Are the fans going to be completely ignored or are club owners there worried about people not supporting this competition?

quinsforever wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

quinsforever wrote:franglo clubs are threatening to create a new euro cup next season. against the background of a war between english federation (i think he actually means prl) and ERC, the body which manages euro cups, lurks a RCC short on detail, the scots, irish and welsh not having joined this anglo-french sling (this is a weapon used historically by mobs to smash windows!!!). So after 18 years of existence where the competition has grown in popularity, is this project bad for rugby?

It's interesting though, mystirquins, that it only mentions a battle between PRL, and ERC, and not PRL/LNR, and ERC?

actually it only mentions a battle between RFU and ERC. so i suspect that whoever wrote the qn has no clue. so i wouldnt read too much into it.

AND if he pitches it as only the evil english causing the rupture, that's also much more likely to get the answer they want. simples.

Intotouch wrote:I started this to hopefully hear a bit more about the French reaction, fans and FFR and LNR. Does anyone have any more knowledge about this? Are the fans going to be completely ignored or are club owners there worried about people not supporting this competition?

Bet you didn't expect responses from a crazed ventriloquists dummy.

I shall respect the thread and also bow out (I'm going over to talk to, you know, girls and stuff).

BUT, now that mysti's girlfriend has her laptop back, if she also signs in and starts agreeing with him and quinsy, don't say I didn't warn you all.

Night.

quinsforever wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

quinsforever wrote:franglo clubs are threatening to create a new euro cup next season. against the background of a war between english federation (i think he actually means prl) and ERC, the body which manages euro cups, lurks a RCC short on detail, the scots, irish and welsh not having joined this anglo-french sling (this is a weapon used historically by mobs to smash windows!!!). So after 18 years of existence where the competition has grown in popularity, is this project bad for rugby?

It's interesting though, mystirquins, that it only mentions a battle between PRL, and ERC, and not PRL/LNR, and ERC?

actually it only mentions a battle between RFU and ERC. so i suspect that whoever wrote the qn has no clue. so i wouldnt read too much into it.

AND if he pitches it as only the evil english causing the rupture, that's also much more likely to get the answer they want. simples.

I would agree with that in part, but more that the paper wants to put distance between the PRL, and LNR. The question begging being why? If they're simply playing to the readership, then they have already concluded that their readership is largely against the formation of a new competition at the expense of the existing one.

Munchkin wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

quinsforever wrote:franglo clubs are threatening to create a new euro cup next season. against the background of a war between english federation (i think he actually means prl) and ERC, the body which manages euro cups, lurks a RCC short on detail, the scots, irish and welsh not having joined this anglo-french sling (this is a weapon used historically by mobs to smash windows!!!). So after 18 years of existence where the competition has grown in popularity, is this project bad for rugby?

It's interesting though, mystirquins, that it only mentions a battle between PRL, and ERC, and not PRL/LNR, and ERC?

actually it only mentions a battle between RFU and ERC. so i suspect that whoever wrote the qn has no clue. so i wouldnt read too much into it.

AND if he pitches it as only the evil english causing the rupture, that's also much more likely to get the answer they want. simples.

I would agree with that in part, but more that the paper wants to put distance between the PRL, and LNR. The question begging being why? If they're simply playing to the readership, then they have already concluded that their readership is largely against the formation of a new competition at the expense of the existing one.

who knows? l'equipe is owned by Amaury Groupe, which also owns a bunch of other sports events (tour de france being the biggest) but they have no rugby interests as far as i can see. maybe they are tight with some of the blazers in FFR and this was to help put pressue on them from the fans side? i dont think it would work as the question was so slanted - when things like that are done they totally discredit the results in the eyes of the critics (LNR) who then have no problem ignoring said results.

Its now like watching one of those BBC tenuous links program. A possible link (not probable) between said paper and some unknown blazers in the FFR first of all. So then said paper decides to help the FFR by asking the fans a question on their thoughts regarding the new championship. Even better because quinny here thinks the question was slanted apparently then the LNR can ignore the result.

You couldn't make this Shiite up

oh hang on he just did...classically deranged

ME-109 wrote:Its now like watching one of those BBC tenuous links program. A possible link (not probable) between said paper and some unknown blazers in the FFR first of all. So then said paper decides to help the FFR by asking the fans a question on their thoughts regarding the new championship. Even better because quinny here thinks the question was slanted apparently then the LNR can ignore the result.

You couldn't make this Shiite up

oh hang on he just did...classically deranged

probably best not to mix alcohol and this topic buddy.  

everyone who has expressed an opinion on it agrees the question was slanted. you dont?

after translating the question in full (you're welcome) munchkin asked me what might the motivation be for the survey. i said "who knows", shared some factual information about ownership of l'equipe and then proffered a possible link.

why are you having such a tantrum?

was it the fact i translated it?
was it the factual info regarding corporate ownership?
was it the suggestion in response to munchkins qn?

or are you just lashing out at anyone who you perceive as on the side of those who are going to change your heineken cup sweetheart deal? because its happening. get used to it.

It's hard to believe that the French fans reject a new European competition by more than 2 to 1, when teams like Biarritz field such a weakened sides as the one BO put out tonight. Are the French teams so out of touch with their fans that they don't care about disrespecting Europe so much?

Perhaps the P12 Unions could take a leaf out of the Biarritz book and field Academy sides in the RCC and still keep their Test players for the HEC? In that way the Unions get to keep the top players in their home teams for Test selection, and the clubs get their young players good experience in the RCC and dosh from both. Everyone's a winner step right up.

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Its now like watching one of those BBC tenuous links program. A possible link (not probable) between said paper and some unknown blazers in the FFR first of all. So then said paper decides to help the FFR by asking the fans a question on their thoughts regarding the new championship. Even better because quinny here thinks the question was slanted apparently then the LNR can ignore the result.

You couldn't make this Shiite up

oh hang on he just did...classically deranged

probably best not to mix alcohol and this topic buddy.  

everyone who has expressed an opinion on it agrees the question was slanted. you dont?

after translating the question in full (you're welcome) munchkin asked me what might the motivation be for the survey. i said "who knows", shared some factual information about ownership of l'equipe and then proffered a possible link.

why are you having such a tantrum?

was it the fact i translated it?
was it the factual info regarding corporate ownership?
was it the suggestion in response to munchkins qn?

or are you just lashing out at anyone who you perceive as on the side of those who are going to change your heineken cup sweetheart deal? because its happening. get used to it.

You know Qunny I will leave you to argue with yourself over it. You are doing such a good job...keep it up  

Top of the morning...
Who gives a flying feck about a l'equipe poll? Well apparently 606v2 posters do!
How can yall spend 3 pages debating something that is not even a proper poll in technical sort of way. Just random internet users clicking around while they eat their croissant and talk to their wife/mistress/boss/dog on the phone.
Discussions like that and the dross served by the AC yday makes me thing we should be better off with no european competition at all.

A poll has been conducted by 606v2 and your opinion has been voted down 4 to 1, whocares