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Bradley Proves He Deserves To Hang With The Elite
http://v2journal.com/16/post/2013/10/bradley-proves-he-deserves-to-hang-with-the-elite.htmlBy Erman Housein
Timothy Bradley found himself in a strange position ahead of his WBO welterweight title fight with Juan Manuel Marquez last weekend. As a two weight world Champion and undefeated title holder campaigning in one of boxing’s more competitive weight classes, logic would lead you to assume that Bradley was the darling of American boxing with the backing of a nation as he prepared to defend his title on home soil against the legendary Mexican fighter. Unfortunately for Bradley he was still suffering in the aftermath of the controversy stemming from the night he picked up the WBO strap via split decision victory over Manny Pacquiao. That night at the MGM Grand Casino boos resounded in the arena as Bradley paraded his new championship belt with the majority in attendance feeling he had been gifted a decision.
Saturday would be the first return to Las Vegas for Bradley since winning the title 15 months earlier and again a split decision would be the outcome after 12 rounds of championship boxing. Once more the decision would favour the fighter known as "Desert Storm" (improving his record to 31-0-12 KO) and although Marquez and his team would later contest the result, it would be difficult for anyone watching to argue that Bradley wasn't a worthy winner this time out, delivering a career best performance which showed tremendous discipline and no shortage of boxing skill.
The magnitude of a victory over a fighter of Marquez's calibre was expressed proudly by Bradley himself, speaking of his performance he explained “That was my ticket to the boxing Hall of Fame. It's the crowning point of my career so far. (Marquez) is a great fighter. I beat a great champion. He never touched me. I gave him a boxing lesson”
It certainly was an excellent boxing performance from Bradley, which many doubted he was capable of producing. In the pre fight build up Bradley spoke often of his desire to prove his doubters wrong against Marquez. The suggestion was that this willingness to prove himself to his critics would cause him to fight on emotion and instinct rather than to a strategic fight plan capable of handling "Dinamita". In his previous bout and first title defence against Ruslan Provodnikov in front of his home town fans in California, Bradley chose to prove his worthiness as champion by engaging in an almighty tear up that saw him staggered multiple times throughout the bout and sent to deck in the final round. Bradley would escape with title intact, awarded a unanimous decision victory a verdict once again heavily questioned by many quarters suggesting Bradley was the beneficiary of a home town decision.
On Saturday night against Marquez with two contentious decisions in a row Bradley would indeed prove his doubters wrong but this time in a fashion far more suited to his gifts as a fighter. There would be no 'slug fest' this time out, to stand toe-to-toe with one of the games great counter punchers and a man with much the heavier hands would be suicidal. Instead Bradley would execute a game plan utilising his superior speed and excellent footwork to frustrate Marquez for long spells. Marquez for all his brilliance has never been at his most comfortable in the ring when playing the role of the come forward fighter and this was fully exploited by Bradley who out landed Marquez 82-38 in jabs (according to CompuBox) throughout the contest, leaving Marquez rarely able to properly set himself to land in his punches. By moving out of range after landing, Bradley often limited Marquez to single shots and for the most part he was able to slip and manoeuvre out of harms way.
Although a few of the rounds were close and tough to score Bradley generally looked the more comfortable man on the night. But considering how tight the final scorecards were Bradley could have been left kicking himself, giving away the last 2 rounds after spending far too much time posturing and playing to the crowd. He did land a quality left hand which staggered Marquez in the final few seconds of the twelfth round, opting once again to pose for the crowd rather than follow up and land a free shot on the defenceless Mexican.
The final scorecards were 115-113, 116-112, and 113-115, in favour of Bradley and as he celebrated with his team the body language of Marquez suggested there had been an injustice. In truth, the fight was a close one but the right man was declared the victor. Marquez has experienced more than his fair share of contentious decisions in the past but this time there was no serious hint of robbery.
It is unlikely this will be the last we see of Marquez, although not at his best on the night he was still competitive throughout the contest and Bradley would admit afterwards that Marquez had "dazed him a couple of times in the fight" with his power. A loss by a couple of rounds to a hungry young champion will not damage Marquez's standing too much and even if he cannot secure an immediate rematch he is likely to resurface as part of another high profile bout in the spring of 2014.
For Bradley It was he who had more riding on the outcome of this fight, victory and more importantly the quality of his performance certainly clarified that he belongs with the elite stars of the sport. There will be some who will never fully accept him due to the Pacquiao fight, this is an unfortunate part of boxing where baggage from previous bouts can be unfairly used against a fighter and no matter what they achieve subsequently they can never fully shake off what has gone before. Perhaps a rematch with Pacquiao would finally help Bradley win over the doubters. If he decides to stay with Top Rank this is a fight that could be easily made and would certainly generate a mass of interest due to their first bout and the fact Bradley has now knocked off the man who brutally stopped Pacquiao at the end of last year.
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Bradley now deserves his shot at Mayweather. For me he does anyway.
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I just can't subscribe to that, MM. His 'win' over Pacquiao surely cannot be included...he was fairly trounced in that fight and to be given the win was incredible, really. He's a decent fighter, exceptionally fit and tough as old boots, no doubt, but he isn't an elite fighter.
People also seem to forget the hell he went through in his previous fight...
He's a good fighter, but that's where it stops. Any talk of elite is laughable, and to be frank I'd probably draw the curtains if he and Mayweather fought in my back garden. Seeing Floyd pot shot his way to a wide decision against a Bradley that's unwilling to engage doesn't quite warm the cockles.
People also seem to forget the hell he went through in his previous fight...
He's a good fighter, but that's where it stops. Any talk of elite is laughable, and to be frank I'd probably draw the curtains if he and Mayweather fought in my back garden. Seeing Floyd pot shot his way to a wide decision against a Bradley that's unwilling to engage doesn't quite warm the cockles.
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I don't think anybody has forgotten his performance against Provodnikov. Along with the Pacquiao decision that bout forms a large part of the criticism levelled at Bradley, which led many to believe he wouldn't come through Marquez.Fists of Fury wrote:I just can't subscribe to that, MM. His 'win' over Pacquiao surely cannot be included...he was fairly trounced in that fight and to be given the win was incredible, really. He's a decent fighter, exceptionally fit and tough as old boots, no doubt, but he isn't an elite fighter.
People also seem to forget the hell he went through in his previous fight...
He's a good fighter, but that's where it stops. Any talk of elite is laughable, and to be frank I'd probably draw the curtains if he and Mayweather fought in my back garden. Seeing Floyd pot shot his way to a wide decision against a Bradley that's unwilling to engage doesn't quite warm the cockles.
He fought with the wrong tactics against Provodnikov but does that mean anything he produces in subsequent performances should be overlooked because of what went before. Bradley beat and out boxed a great fighter last weekend, which proves that with the correct game plan he is capable and possesses the necessary skill set to compete with the elite names at welterweight.
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If Floyd is not going to make a foray into the middleweight division for me Bradley’s claims to fight Floyd are as good as anyone else’s in or around light middle or below. Garcia is on good form but has literally nothing on his ledger at welter. Khan’s recent form has been patchy, and that is perhaps being kind to him so take out guys who have already been dealt with and the cupboard starts to look bare.
However it is not going to happen. If Golden Boy and Arum could not resolve their differences to make the biggest fight ever they sure as hell ain’t going to manage it to make this.
However it is not going to happen. If Golden Boy and Arum could not resolve their differences to make the biggest fight ever they sure as hell ain’t going to manage it to make this.
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I agree I had Manny by 3 rounds and it was in the middle of robbery/ contentious............Fists of Fury wrote:I just can't subscribe to that, MM. His 'win' over Pacquiao surely cannot be included...he was fairly trounced in that fight and to be given the win was incredible, really. He's a decent fighter, exceptionally fit and tough as old boots, no doubt, but he isn't an elite fighter.
People also seem to forget the hell he went through in his previous fight...
He's a good fighter, but that's where it stops. Any talk of elite is laughable, and to be frank I'd probably draw the curtains if he and Mayweather fought in my back garden. Seeing Floyd pot shot his way to a wide decision against a Bradley that's unwilling to engage doesn't quite warm the cockles.
Also Marquez has had a long career and is 40 for heaven sake..........FORTY years old.........
However I do think he belongs with the elite...............Certainly If Martinez does............
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In this current time of boxing there is no doubt Bradley is an elite fighter. Most of the stuff written about Mayweather on here makes me chuckle. The excuses are brilliant. Pick the top 5 or 6 challenges out there and then say they all dont deserve a shot for one reason or another until you get to Amir Khan way down the list.
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I'd put Garcia ahead of Bradley in the queue to fight Floyd, but only if the fight is made at light welter. The notion that Garcia may be a limited boxer with only a monster left hook (I disagree), doesn't detract from the fact that he's conclusively beaten 4 out of the top 5 Ring ranked light welters.
If Floyd's next fight is at welter then Bradley gets his chance, though I think he's a less convincing package. Dubious win over Manny, escaped against Provodnikov and he beat Marquez though I wouldn't say it was a totally dominant performance.
If Floyd's next fight is at welter then Bradley gets his chance, though I think he's a less convincing package. Dubious win over Manny, escaped against Provodnikov and he beat Marquez though I wouldn't say it was a totally dominant performance.
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Bradley is much like Ward in that he's a very effective fighter, a bit dull to watch and appears to have all the charisma of a box of sand, rather than a Desert Storm.
Ask most casual boxing fans if they know who Tim Bradley is, it's likely that most will answer "No".
I don't dispute his abilities; just think he's a difficult fighter to generate interest in.
Ask most casual boxing fans if they know who Tim Bradley is, it's likely that most will answer "No".
I don't dispute his abilities; just think he's a difficult fighter to generate interest in.
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Saw enough in the first two rounds against khan to suggest Garcia is made for Floyd.....
Bradley is a tougher proposition and is more deserving looking at his record.........
Still think Khan is the hardest styliastically for floyd.......Until he's tagged.
Bradley is a tougher proposition and is more deserving looking at his record.........
Still think Khan is the hardest styliastically for floyd.......Until he's tagged.
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Mr Bounce wrote: appears to have all the charisma of a box of sand, rather than a Desert Storm.
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That's his problem...........Living in an X-Factor age.Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:Mr Bounce wrote: appears to have all the charisma of a box of sand, rather than a Desert Storm.
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Bradleys records urinates over Garcias. Garcia scraped past Judah and Morales 1. He got pushed hard by Mathyssee and in my eyes was on the verge of getting hammered going into the 6th but the eye saved his bacon all be it a good shot to cause it so fair play to him.
Bradley has beaten Pacquiao and JMM, those alone outpount all of Garcias wins for me.
Bradley has beaten Pacquiao and JMM, those alone outpount all of Garcias wins for me.
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Erislandy Lara fights Austin Trout on the Hoppo undercard next weekend. Should Lara put in a decent showing, I think he advances his claim for a shot at Mayweather...just depends which Lara turns up. Good as he is he can appear as unfashionable as Rigondieaux.
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Good call Dave, only problem is that his fan base and appeal are very low as far as in aware? Will he be a big enough draw?
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How anyone can say Bradley isn't elite is beyond me. You don't consistently beat good fighters unless you're a step above. Holt, Peterson, Abregu, Provodnikov, Witter and Alexander are all good fighters and Bradley beat them all. Marquez and Manny are elite and he should be 1-1 with them. Thats the form of an elite fighter and no one else has a better claim to fight Floyd if he moves back down to Welterweight, sure he loses but so does everyone else.
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I dispute JMM at 40 is elite...........
But I don't dispute the fact Bradley is among Today's elite.
But I don't dispute the fact Bradley is among Today's elite.
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He headbutted Holt into submission and Alexander had him on the deck before switching off and doing his usual Devon Alexander. Witter has never been any great shakes in any of his World title fights, he was gifted a decision against Manny, lucky not to have been beaten by Provodnikov and is now claiming to have beaten a great fighter at his peak (namely the 40 yr old...I'll say that again FORTY YEAR OLD) JMM.
Bradley's a nice guy but he's nothing special.
Bradley's a nice guy but he's nothing special.
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Not a great deal between Bradley and Garcia, to simplistic to just look at their records when the biggest win was a robbery.
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Apart from the fact Bradley is unbeaten you're right.
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I meant Garcia not Khan.
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okay.........But Bradley's record is better for me........
Manny is a standout win..........Although I dispute the fact he won.........I commend him for getting a decision against Manny..JMm tried three times to get one.
Witter is also underrated...........as a win.
Just more for me..on Bradley's ledger.......Alexander too........
Four years at the top also.......
Manny is a standout win..........Although I dispute the fact he won.........I commend him for getting a decision against Manny..JMm tried three times to get one.
Witter is also underrated...........as a win.
Just more for me..on Bradley's ledger.......Alexander too........
Four years at the top also.......
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Bradley is probably the next best welterweight behind Floyd, so why shouldn't he be in line to face the best in the division?
True he shouldn't have for the nod against Pacquiao (on a broke ankle as well) and he may have been lucky against Provodnikov (he just won on my card), but the rest of his career has been plain sailing
Was easily beating Alexander, beat Peterson easily, and Holt, Witter, casamayor and Abregu
Marquez may be 40 but was at his highest point on the p4p list since he's been boxing and Bradley (who most thought he'd be KOed) won and did it fairly comfortably, despite JMMs protests
I think that he belongs just ahead of Garcia (only just though) in first in line for Floyd excluding Lightmiddleweights and middleweights. If Khan makes sense then so should Bradley. Khan may be better offensively but Bradley is miles ahead defensively. Bradley also has quick hands and is a better counterpuncher and can actually take a shot
True he shouldn't have for the nod against Pacquiao (on a broke ankle as well) and he may have been lucky against Provodnikov (he just won on my card), but the rest of his career has been plain sailing
Was easily beating Alexander, beat Peterson easily, and Holt, Witter, casamayor and Abregu
Marquez may be 40 but was at his highest point on the p4p list since he's been boxing and Bradley (who most thought he'd be KOed) won and did it fairly comfortably, despite JMMs protests
I think that he belongs just ahead of Garcia (only just though) in first in line for Floyd excluding Lightmiddleweights and middleweights. If Khan makes sense then so should Bradley. Khan may be better offensively but Bradley is miles ahead defensively. Bradley also has quick hands and is a better counterpuncher and can actually take a shot
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man you could pick apart anybodies record with that sort of attitude.DAVE667 wrote:He headbutted Holt into submission and Alexander had him on the deck before switching off and doing his usual Devon Alexander. Witter has never been any great shakes in any of his World title fights, he was gifted a decision against Manny, lucky not to have been beaten by Provodnikov and is now claiming to have beaten a great fighter at his peak (namely the 40 yr old...I'll say that again FORTY YEAR OLD) JMM.
Bradley's a nice guy but he's nothing special.
Bradley is elite. he may be behind Mayweather and Manny too if you think he beat him. But nobody was talking too much about Marquez age before Bradley beat him. Alexander is a good win and so was Peterson and Holt. Bradley aint the most exciting boxer around but hes not as dull as hes made out to be. Hes got plenty of character, some people just don't bother to pay attention to anything a boxer says unless its somebody they have been force fed
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Sorry I haven't been into a branch of WH Smith for ages so clearly haven't got hold a the new dictionary where the word "elite" has been so drastically redefined. I take it this will be the same dictionary that has the definition of "literally" as meaning "not literally but you get what I'm talking about sort of innit!"Lance wrote:man you could pick apart anybodies record with that sort of attitude.DAVE667 wrote:He headbutted Holt into submission and Alexander had him on the deck before switching off and doing his usual Devon Alexander. Witter has never been any great shakes in any of his World title fights, he was gifted a decision against Manny, lucky not to have been beaten by Provodnikov and is now claiming to have beaten a great fighter at his peak (namely the 40 yr old...I'll say that again FORTY YEAR OLD) JMM.
Bradley's a nice guy but he's nothing special.
Bradley is elite. he may be behind Mayweather and Manny too if you think he beat him. But nobody was talking too much about Marquez age before Bradley beat him. Alexander is a good win and so was Peterson and Holt. Bradley aint the most exciting boxer around but hes not as dull as hes made out to be. Hes got plenty of character, some people just don't bother to pay attention to anything a boxer says unless its somebody they have been force fed
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Don't think I'm being patronising.......But
Dave's Boxing dictionary exists of the careers of about Ten Boxers..
So he's probably better off reading than contributing on this thread.....
Dave's Boxing dictionary exists of the careers of about Ten Boxers..
So he's probably better off reading than contributing on this thread.....
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I think he is. He was the top dog at LWW. I understand you disagree, fair enough. But I think you are being overly harsh the way you knocked all his wins. He dominated Alexander, nobody else has. And the 40 year old Marquez had just knocked Manny out.DAVE667 wrote:Sorry I haven't been into a branch of WH Smith for ages so clearly haven't got hold a the new dictionary where the word "elite" has been so drastically redefined. I take it this will be the same dictionary that has the definition of "literally" as meaning "not literally but you get what I'm talking about sort of innit!"Lance wrote:man you could pick apart anybodies record with that sort of attitude.DAVE667 wrote:He headbutted Holt into submission and Alexander had him on the deck before switching off and doing his usual Devon Alexander. Witter has never been any great shakes in any of his World title fights, he was gifted a decision against Manny, lucky not to have been beaten by Provodnikov and is now claiming to have beaten a great fighter at his peak (namely the 40 yr old...I'll say that again FORTY YEAR OLD) JMM.
Bradley's a nice guy but he's nothing special.
Bradley is elite. he may be behind Mayweather and Manny too if you think he beat him. But nobody was talking too much about Marquez age before Bradley beat him. Alexander is a good win and so was Peterson and Holt. Bradley aint the most exciting boxer around but hes not as dull as hes made out to be. Hes got plenty of character, some people just don't bother to pay attention to anything a boxer says unless its somebody they have been force fed
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Don't think I'm being rue but...TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Don't think I'm being patronising.......But
Dave's Boxing dictionary exists of the careers of about Ten Boxers..
So he's probably better off reading than contributing on this thread.....
Shut up you gargantuan oaf!
..and who has a boxing dictionary as opposed to just a regular dictionary...cretin!
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Reckon Dave thought the thread title was .......
"Bradley Pryce proves he deserves to hang with the Elite !!"
We all make mistakes kid.......
"Bradley Pryce proves he deserves to hang with the Elite !!"
We all make mistakes kid.......
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Something you wife says to your kids on an hourly basis I shouldn't wonder.TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Reckon Dave thought the thread title was .......
"Bradley Pryce proves he deserves to hang with the Elite !!"
We all make mistakes kid.......
At least if it said "Bradley Pryce proves he deserves to hang with the elite" it would be a better wind up that this pile of tosh. Bradley's ok but elite!??!?!!? To me, that word bestows upon him the skill level of someone like Mayweather or Ward and I certainly wouldn't put Bradley up at that level (then again, I've got one of those old dictionaries)
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The impression I got was that he has done enough to hang around with the elite of Today.....
Certainly If Martinez is considered elite then Bradley should be too......
Certainly If Martinez is considered elite then Bradley should be too......
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Again, it appears the definition of elite is subjective
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Of course it is..
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