Inexcusable acts in the ring

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What moments in the ring should never be forgiven.

The most famous are Tyson's ear munching and Duran no mas.

Without wanting to mention all the obvious ones I would like to add Montell Griffin in the first Jones Jr fight. He took the easy way out when being hit lightly by Jones when down and won on a DQ. Luckily Jones Jr ran through him in a round in a rematch.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Fair point Toppy haha.

Saying that he is away for the next week if memory serves so fire away.

So a draw would have been a more appropriate score? Wouldn't have thought so given Broners post fight interviews etc.

Depends how you look at it really. To me it felt like Broner did enough to win the fight, but technically he should've had points deducted which could/would have changed things.

It's a bit like Martinez-Murray. If the second kd had been correctly scored he'd have won, but it wasn't, so......

DAVE667 wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:My reading of the NO MAS incident is that Duran's sense of machismo was so offended by Leonard's fooling around and showboating that he said "I don't want to fight this clown no more" not that he quit through being humiliated.

Duran was a fighter and didn't think there was a place in the ring for that sort of stuff.

So I'd also vote for excessive clowning, showboating, preening and efforts to humiliate an opponent by a fighter.

This absolute TOSH
Duran quit because he was getting jabbed time and time again without being able to land ANYTHING of his own. It has nothing to do with his machismo, he was out boxed pure and simple....


...and thats that.

I thought TRUSS and I had put this naughty baby to bed already.

I believe it may be an opinion offered in "Four Kings" which, although doesn't automatically "make it so", would suggest it comes from a more reliable source that just me spouting off.

i think a more reliable source would be duran himself. in the no mas documentary, entirely about him quitting, no where does he say he didn;t like him clowning around. he blamed it on stomach cramps due to drinking hot coffee. in other conversation he said a 'very hot steak'. he couldn't make his mind up.

i say he was out of shape, got down from WAAAAAY over the weight limit and was embarrassed in the ring. of course leonard would toy with him. Duran insulted him AND his wife, and handed him his first defeat.

OasisBFC wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:My reading of the NO MAS incident is that Duran's sense of machismo was so offended by Leonard's fooling around and showboating that he said "I don't want to fight this clown no more" not that he quit through being humiliated.

Duran was a fighter and didn't think there was a place in the ring for that sort of stuff.

So I'd also vote for excessive clowning, showboating, preening and efforts to humiliate an opponent by a fighter.

This absolute TOSH
Duran quit because he was getting jabbed time and time again without being able to land ANYTHING of his own. It has nothing to do with his machismo, he was out boxed pure and simple....


...and thats that.

I thought TRUSS and I had put this naughty baby to bed already.

I believe it may be an opinion offered in "Four Kings" which, although doesn't automatically "make it so", would suggest it comes from a more reliable source that just me spouting off.

i think a more reliable source would be duran himself. in the no mas documentary, entirely about him quitting, no where does he say he didn;t like him clowning around. he blamed it on stomach cramps due to drinking hot coffee. in other conversation he said a 'very hot steak'. he couldn't make his mind up.

i say he was out of shape, got down from WAAAAAY over the weight limit and was embarrassed in the ring. of course leonard would toy with him. Duran insulted him AND his wife, and handed him his first defeat.

The point being Duran felt that, having done all that in the build-up, Ray should have fought "like a man" instead of clowning around and it offended Duran's macho sensibilities. Ray had fought him before and felt he should do it again.

Maybe Duran knew he was never going to beat Ray at his own game and quit before he had his pants pulled down but that explaination is one that's been offered up too.

Collins-Resto
Margarito-Mosley (alright - he didn't quite make it into the ring but still).

Every time Wyatt Earp refereed a fight. (or almost every time at least)

I may well be wrong, but was Duran only a couple of rounds behind when he quit? Haven't watched it in ages, but I'm not sure that it was as one sided as some of your comments in this thread suggest. As I said I may be wrong , can anyone enlighten us as to what the scores were after round seven?

5 - 2.............But he obviously thought he was behind and looking like a man sausage..

He quit...........In fairness he didn't dog it.........Just didn't like looking a prat....

Which is forgiveable.........The Hearns fight isn't.

Thanks Truss, Leonard was more ahead than I thought then, but in a fifteen round fight three rounds wasn't insurmountable. To me this fight was one of those controversial episodes that's forever going to be debated, it most adds to Duran's legacy in strange way - it adds a it of mystery if you get what I mean- people love controversy and conspiracy.
As for the Hearns fight, didn't he lose that because Hearns was bigger than him?

Fury singing was as inexcusable as it gets

Derrick Gainer versus Freddie Norwood. An absolutely filthy, foul-filled fight all the way through.

The second title fight between Billy Papke and Stanley Ketchel is an interesting one, too, albeit there is confusion and debate about exactly how it all unfolded. Papke gave Ketchel an absolutely merciless hammering but many reported that he'd clobbered Ketchel with a huge, unexpected cheap shot while the referee (Jim Jeffries, as it goes) gave pre-fight instructions, and that Ketchel just never recovered. Others claim the blow landed when the fight had started as Ketchel went to touch gloves before engaging, which would have made it very unsporting of Papke, but not necessarily a rule breaker. Some argue there never was a foul or unsporting blow at all, too. But whatever the truth, Ketchel was floored three times in the opener and never came close to turning it around.

Eddie Hearn jumping in the ring while Froch v Bute was still going on

The ref giving Bute a count rather than stopping it outright.