Flu hits All Blacks camp

BamBam wrote:Far be it for me to wish ill upon my fellow man, but if the NZ team does get flu and consequently loses to England, the reaction by GE could possibly be the highlight of my year

doctor_grey wrote:

BamBam wrote:Far be it for me to wish ill upon my fellow man, but if the NZ team does get flu and consequently loses to England, the reaction by GE could possibly be the highlight of my year

As long as the banter is entertaining, I don't care if it comes Rupert Murdoch, the Prince of Darkness himself.  

GloriousEmpire wrote:Ah whatever tiger. I'm just letting it lie for now. Sick of defending myself against this scurrilous accusation. I'm ignoring anyone who says it from now on. Nice chatting!

GloriousEmpire wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Portnoy as far as I know only one All Black is suffering from the flu and that is Julean savea. I dont know if that amounts to a "scare" or not.

If it turns out that Savea is unfit to play against France then the questions arises who then plays on the left wing for the ABs.

For mine its Piutau.but then there are a number of other scenarios which arise involving Ben Smith/Ryan Crotty, Corey Jane,Frank Halai. etc.

I'm a veteran of work environments. I've had more than 20 of them in my time on this earth. Never in all that time have I seem one member of a team go down with the flu without the other 19 going down in a space of two or three weeks. Now I'm sure these boys are all fit as buck rats with metabolisms of a rutting rhino, but doesn't that make it worse? I don't know if it's a wives tale of yore, but what I was led to believe is that a fit body was more susceptible than a cranking middle aged old fart like myself because firstly, a virus leverages the fitness of the host to multiply faster and more voraciously and secondly those clean living lads just aren't accustomed to encountering the kind of scum we breathe daily in the fetid environment of public transport or office air conditioning's sludge recycle.

People will say whats a cold? Well next time you're lying snotty nosed and cloggy throated sucking a strepsil ask yourself how motivated you might be to make that latch ditch tackle on a rampaging French back rower? Not very, if you're anything like me.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I am not a proponent of the flu vaccine. It is a vaccine against the strain from the previous winter which is no guarantee against a new strain. It can cause side effects which can imitate the very thing you're protecting against and my wife's grandfather died from a flu jab after being persuaded to take one having never actually used one and never having problems with the flu.

The other logistical issue being overlooked is where and when do you take this flu jab. Traveling from the opposite season you are unlikely to take a flu jab in NZ. But if you take it in the UK you are ignoring the fact that you have shared recycled air for more than a day with hundreds of passengers and this is where Savea inevitably picked it up. So pray do tell, how do you protect against that even if you swear by the flu vaccine?

doctor_grey wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

BamBam wrote:Far be it for me to wish ill upon my fellow man, but if the NZ team does get flu and consequently loses to England, the reaction by GE could possibly be the highlight of my year

As long as the banter is entertaining, I don't care if it comes Rupert Murdoch, the Prince of Darkness himself.  

What am I saying?  Anyone but the Prince of Darkness.  Jeez, I have got to cut back on the Tequila.    

Submachine wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I am not a proponent of the flu vaccine. It is a vaccine against the strain from the previous winter which is no guarantee against a new strain. It can cause side effects which can imitate the very thing you're protecting against and my wife's grandfather died from a flu jab after being persuaded to take one having never actually used one and never having problems with the flu.

The other logistical issue being overlooked is where and when do you take this flu jab. Traveling from the opposite season you are unlikely to take a flu jab in NZ. But if you take it in the UK you are ignoring the fact that you have shared recycled air for more than a day with hundreds of passengers and this is where Savea inevitably picked it up. So pray do tell, how do you protect against that even if you swear by the flu vaccine?

I went to Africa about 10 years ago. Several weeks in advance we had anti malaria jabs. I don't know why it matters but it was winter there and summer here. Consider yourself pray told.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:

Submachine wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I am not a proponent of the flu vaccine. It is a vaccine against the strain from the previous winter which is no guarantee against a new strain. It can cause side effects which can imitate the very thing you're protecting against and my wife's grandfather died from a flu jab after being persuaded to take one having never actually used one and never having problems with the flu.

The other logistical issue being overlooked is where and when do you take this flu jab. Traveling from the opposite season you are unlikely to take a flu jab in NZ. But if you take it in the UK you are ignoring the fact that you have shared recycled air for more than a day with hundreds of passengers and this is where Savea inevitably picked it up. So pray do tell, how do you protect against that even if you swear by the flu vaccine?

I went to Africa about 10 years ago. Several weeks in advance we had anti malaria jabs. I don't know why it matters but it was winter there and summer here. Consider yourself pray told.

Not quite the same. Malaria isn't constantly changing and you take yellow fever jabs not malaria ones to go to Africa and when you take them does not matter. You need to take pills and they give you the poops and give you nightmares so they are unfortunate side effects. Flu is a seasonal and constantly changing strain and strikes more in winter so when you are crossing hemispheres to a new season you are exposing yourself to new strains not present in your normal home. So much like my last trip to Kenya I think you're talking liquid poppies.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Maybe grey can back or refute this, but having worked for a fairly manipulative pharmo company once, they do out an awful lot of pressure on doctors to prescribe particular medications due to leveraging their trademark window. I'm not proscribing a conspiracy of Constant Gardener proportion, just that by leveraging their protected brand status they make more money to research further necessary drugs. However the regulation and control of this seems weak and navigatable. A few years back you would've been prescribed ciprofloxacin for just about anything for similar reasons. There was suddenly a push by the government and media campaign on STDs...coincidental? I went in for a broken elbow and walked out with cipro for a non existent UTI. It's murky I tell you.