Why Floyd shouldn't fight Manny in the future !!

Fact is Floyd vs Manny is an 80-20 fight...........Floyd should win but Manny's freak-once-in-a-lifetime power does mean that should he get lucky Floyd's legacy goes out of the window!!

Manny is the only one who can HURT Floyd's legacy.............Should Bradley or Khan beat Floyd well the believable excuse is Fathertime has caught up to Money.......He stays top 10 in most lists !!.....and rightly so.

However should Manny beat Floyd........Then the critics will say that's why he avoided Manny. that's why he's not Top 10 and Manny would always have beaten him........

Also Floyd doesn't get any credit for beating Manny..............He left it till Manny was past it blah bah blah..........

Why give the Filipino and is a**hole promoter a ticket back in the game too ??........

Floyd should fight his fights and get out with legacy assured..............

No point in giving a guy a shot at the lottery and a top 10 place himself..he doesn't deserve !!......He doesn't need the "outed" by JMM, Manny anymore..

Shouldn’t fight a middleweight, shouldn’t fight a guy with power. Is there anyone with a pulse you would care to see him fight Truss?

I said he should fight Martinez....He's ready for the taking......The article is on here somewhere..

I don't mind him fighting anybody from 140-154..........

Just that 160 is a jump.........

But hey I don't mind sarcasm.......Irony is different I'm American and I don't understand it!! 

Perhaps he should just defend according to the rankings like old style champions do and fight no names and not fight alvarez, cotto types.

That’s the rub though Truss. I don’t want to see him fight a guy because he is there for the taking, I want to see him take on someone who represents a challenge or can take Floyd get out of second gear. Seems clear now that due to Floyd’s extraordinary talent that is not going to happen below 160 so if a trip to middle is the only way I can find myself excited about one of his fights or having any doubts about the outcome that is what I would like to see.

As for Manny I really don’t care anymore. They had a chance to make it when it was the biggest fight ever and they blew it, lost interest or patience in it long ago.

You see him regularly take on guys who represent a challenge........

Yet seem happy for Ricky Burns to defend against old Europeans however badly......

Not suggesting you are anything but fairminded........But If Floyd fights some unknown number 1 in the rankings he's a ducker.......

We are lucky Floyd wants to test himself......he doesn't have to...  

Come on now Truss you’re reaching. Burns is a titlist in a generation where the term is fairly meaningless and Floyd is the best fighter of his generation who many on here claim is a top five of all time. Is inevitable folk will set differing standards for the two of them. Can assure you the minute someone on here claims Ricky Burns is a top five fighter of all time I will put Kevin Mitchell under the microscope as an opponent.

No one on here claims he's Top 5 apart from me and Moby........Top 10 though in many lists.......

Calzaghe was a p4per in his later career.........

Give me a reason why Mayweather has to fight all these rock hard challenges ???

So what If he is Top 5.........Plenty of top 20 fighters like Hagler fought stiffs.......You didn't want him to fight spinks..??

But my case remains solid..........Manny is an everything to lose fight.

He doesn't need him.......

floyd has fought more p4pers than any fighter.......

If Floyd is so good why should Manny not get credit and the respect for beating him. I rate them both about equal with Mannys better quality opponents and wins leveled out by Floyd unbeaten record against decent, but still more moderate opposition. If Manny wins it will be by pressuring Floyd and working him over like Castillo and Cotto to a lesser extent done but using his frightening hand speed, workrate and the strange angles he throws punches from to not let Floyd steal rounds. Floyd has a great chin and i am pretty sure Manny wont take him out with one shot. It could be argued that it should be Manny that should not fight Floyd and giving him a chance to put one truly great fighter (other than a past his best ODH) on his record when he had no stomach for the fight when Manny was perceived to be at his best.
Based on recent performances Floyd is still in tip top form and would go into the fight as a big favourite, so if Manny was to beat him at least give him the credit he deserves for being the better man and any man with greats like Floyd, Morales, Barrera all on his record plus about 8 world titles deserves all the praise he gets.
I cant see it happening yet though Floyd, his dad, Uncle and even his fans still seem a bit scared of the Pacman, i reckon they will give it another year to make sure that Manny has slipped enough for it to be a no risk fight for Mayweather.

I am a fan of the sport Truss, I personally want to see fighters in fights I can get excited about, Alvarez was such a fight and I praised the match up since it was signed and did not waver in that. However there are no fights at 154 or below that I can get excited about for Floyd so given that I look at the higher weights. If you are happy to see him in fights that you don’t particularly get excited about or genuinely think there are competitive fights at 154 or below then fair enough, each to their own.

Manny was past it.......If he loses............

Goes above floyd If he wins.........

great deal for Floyd.........

Anyway Arum won't agree to a resonable percentage...It's all about crowing about the deal with him..

To be honest Manny looked the best i had seen in years against JMM and was looking like he was gonna give him a proper beating before that peach of a punch put his lights out, if he is highly motivated and in that shape and form again he can trouble anyone even Floyd.

Watched Cotto vs Mayweather again last night, and it was a lot closer than I thought it was when I watched it the first time. Floyd still won, of course, but in that fight, he missed a LOT, and essentially won only because he made Cotto miss a little more. I strongly doubt Floyd's ability to initiate, and he would have to, given Martinez's style. That's why I don't think Floyd can beat Serge.

As for Pacquiao, not happening is it? Cant be bothered anymore

Comes to something when the fans sound like the promoters not wanting a fight to happen. You sound as though you don't want Floyd to fight anyone who can test him which is ridiculous, let's be honest Mayweather is not a top 5 p4per he's legacy was ruined years ago when he choose a different path than to face the toughest challengers.

As for one off freakish power , Manny hasn't nailed anyone to the canvas for 4 and half year for goodness sake, c'mon Truss mate you're becoming like D4 you're better than this.

Cheers Rodders

Spot on Rodders. Truss likes to bang the drum for his favourite fighter but Mayweather will never be rated a top ten all-timer. Not in any serious discussion in any case.

Truss doesn't want Floyd to fight Manny because he might be beaten? What an odd stance and one that rubber stamps his position as fan rather than fair-minded judge (for anyone who still buys all of his Floyd nonsense).

I like to see great fighters tested. That's what drives the sport forward.

I wouldn't want to see a showdown between the two because it will likely be the biggest let down for a big fight since Lewis vs Tyson. That kind of disappointment turns fans away.

Even by your standards this is pretty poor Truss.

"Please Floyd don't fight anyone who has even a small chance of beating you"

Mayweather is rated a top 10 alltimer........30/35 on the top 10 thread......

what do I care If Bob Mee thinks otherwise...

I'll ignore the lightweight idiot directly above.

Let me get this straight, you don't want to see Floyd fight Manny because Manny has a small chance of beating him?

Strange logic.

So let me get this straight, Floyd shouldn't fight Manny because Manny might beat him?

Thats not exactly what id like to see, if Mayweather is the nailed on top 5 top 10 fighter surely he should take this fight and try to enhance his record.

No legacy enhancing in fighting guys who pose 0 threat is there?

Yes do try to get it straight

Mayweather is an intelligent sort, and because of this has done well to create a weird aura of invincibility. It's what keeps his greatness afloat. Pacquaio drew with Marquez and then sorta beat beat him the second time, but he kept coming back to the well, to prove he won. Mayweather sorta beat Castillo, and then sorta beat him again and decided the record book saying he won was enough, he didnt need to stamp it. It's for that reason he won't fight Pac-Man. Already has a place above him in the ATG list, sure as hell isn't going to risk it when he can keep suckering people into buying bouts with Khan and Guerrero.

He kept coming back to the well to prove what we all knew........Marquez was better.........

"Floyd should fight Alvarez If he had any rocks"

"Alvarez was ordinary"........

So why didn't Floyd ever come back to definitively beat Castillo? First fight was Castillo, second was one of those close ones where the the entire place is split except, mysteriously, the judges. Full credit to Floyd for realizing that there's nothing to gain in going back, except risk an actual defeat.

He beat Castillo twice...........end of story.

Floyd has beaten more current-at-the-time p4pers than anybody.......He's been at the top in some capacity for 16 years......

Less of the dribble........He is one of the greatest fighters of alltime.........

Haz doesn't think he's top 10.......rodders doesn't think anybody born after ww2 is .......

Captain carrot thinks he is......So do I and 30 odd others.......on here..

For some nugget to say Floyd will never be top 10 is just silly.......

He'll never be top ten Truss. That must kill you?

Why won't he ??.........

Pathetic statement.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I said he should fight Martinez....He's ready for the taking......The article is on here somewhere..

So just anyone that isn't a challenge then?

Ironic really, given that that criticism is one of the most legacy-hurting things levelled at Floyd.

Fact is Floyd vs Manny is an 80-20 fight

Nevermind the "if Manny gets lucky" nonsense. Floyd is the consumate pro...leaves nothing to chance and therefore certainly not likely to let his standards drop against a fighter with a realistic chance of causing him problems.

Think you're wrong on this one though fella. Spin it how you want but what will undoubtedly happen if they don't fight is Mayweather's legacy will read "ducked a guy everyone considered past his best with one foot out the door and into the political arena"

They fight, get a fortune and Floyd makes it look like taking candy from a baby. Job done! Floyd retires (again) with several more millions in the bank and doesn't care a jot what anyone on here thinks about him.

Best ignore the troll.............

Funny I have a guy who rates hagler higher than Mayweather telling me Floyd won't be top 10........

say no more.............Vito d15 Hagler  

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why won't he ??.........

Pathetic statement.

Quality of opposition. Ducking Pacquiao fight. Been through it a million times but who cares about reality eh? AS long as he's top three in your head don't worry about it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Mayweather is rated a top 10 alltimer........30/35 on the top 10 thread......

what do I care If Bob Mee thinks otherwise...

I'll ignore the lightweight idiot directly above.

So many classic Truss-chestnuts in 1 small post.

Firstly the old 'his opinion doesn't count because it differs to mine' when on another thread the other day you were harping on about some random third party's opinion. I told you on that thread it'd come back to bite you on the arse.

Followed by a classic Truss-cuss, from a man that regular accuses others of just hurling insults around and then runs to the mods as soon as he takes some flack back.

Five top p4pers on his record........16 years..........You have Louis top 10 who did he fight..

Reality is your living in the past.........Your argument sucks.........

Quotes Bernstein.......Who has Johnson top 10 ??

Captain carrot has him top 10 ...... If I was going to pretend to be you I'd say who cares what you think the Captain is respected...

But I won't because everybody's opinion is the same..to me.

30/35 had Mayweather top 10.........refute that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He beat Castillo twice...........end of story.

Floyd has beaten more current-at-the-time p4pers than anybody.......He's been at the top in some capacity for 16 years......

Less of the dribble........He is one of the greatest fighters of alltime.........

Haz doesn't think he's top 10.......rodders doesn't think anybody born after ww2 is .......

Captain carrot thinks he is......So do I and 30 odd others.......on here..

For some nugget to say Floyd will never be top 10 is just silly.......

'in some capacity'?? What a wonderfully spurious caveat. Let's ignore the year or two he was retired then, especially as they conveniently coincided with his biggest ever challenge peaking.

I'll ignore the troll..

Funny though it's the only the 5/35 who are moaning about the top 10..

I'll go with the consensus.

since when does manny have 'once in a lifetime' power? he's no tickler, but he isn't knocking decent welterweights out any time soon.
a weight drained cotto doesn't count. has he had a stoppage since?

OasisBFC wrote:since when does manny have 'once in a lifetime' power? he's no tickler, but he isn't knocking decent welterweights out any time soon.
a weight drained cotto doesn't count. has he had a stoppage since?

Hatton is his only ko since leaving Super Featherweight. Yeh, SUPER-FREAKY!!

Some posters don't know much about Boxing history........and troll.

Gomez struggled to keep his ko power at 126 from 122.........Most boxers find just a small increment of weight against bigger foes compromise their power.......

108 to 140 is freaky when you consider boxing history......

Actually, scratch that, forgot the Diaz ko in his one LW venture.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Some posters don't know much about Boxing history........and troll.

Gomez struggled to keep his ko power at 126 from 122.........Most boxers find just a small increment of weight against bigger foes compromise their power.......

108 to 140 is freaky when you consider boxing history......

Yeh, it's disgraceful isn't it. Shocking that a fighter can go from 108 as a teenager and win titles all the way up to LMW in their 30s......oh wait, THAT's FLOYD!!!

Look I don't want the thread hijacked.......You don't know much about Boxing..as you've admitted to !!

Your whole purpose is to pick on some slight point to try to engage in a verbal conflict..

I'm not interested..

Lol in other words, "my arguments are so full of wholes you could drive a truck through, even someone with limited boxing knowledge can pick them apart, so please leave me alone".

That's enough.........

So let's try to raise the standard of debate and conclude.......

Floyd will never be top 10........Because 30/35 respected posters on here have him in the top 10.......But Al Bernstein types don't.but have Jack johnson in there instead..

Floyd never beat Castillo more than twice.......Floyd never beat anybody but 5 current at the time p4pers..more than any other champion..

Also has 16 yeears longevity without being beat another record

Okay..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Five top p4pers on his record........16 years..........You have Louis top 10 who did he fight..

Reality is your living in the past.........Your argument sucks.........

Quotes Bernstein.......Who has Johnson top 10 ??

Captain carrot has him top 10 ......     If I was going to pretend to be you I'd say who cares what you think the Captain is respected...

But I won't because everybody's opinion is the same..to me.

30/35 had Mayweather top 10.........refute that.

Drivel. P4P is manure -- a welterweight beating a lightweight isn't anymore important because the lightweight was "P4P" -- that just means the lightweight was a stand out AT LIGHTWEIGHT AND BELOW.

The rest is like a tourettes outburst.

History won't rate him as highly as you because you're a superfan who tries desperately to foist him upon the rest of us.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So let's try to raise the standard of debate and conclude.......

Floyd will never be top 10........Because 30/35 respected posters on here have him in the top 10.......But Al Bernstein types don't.but have Jack johnson in there instead..

Floyd never beat Castillo more than twice.......Floyd never beat anybody but 5 current at the time p4pers..more than any other champion..

Also has 16 yeears longevity without being beat another record

Okay..

You can't rebut any of that Son........Not even Bob Mee..........

Hagler D15 Vito...Ohh my gawd.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:Actually, scratch that, forgot the Diaz ko in his one LW venture.

To be fair, he beat up Diaz and the lad dropped from exhaustion and an accumulation of shots rather than one concussive blow. If Manny had KO'd the super tough Margarito or Mosley with one shot, I'm sure the term "freakish power" would be apt but, it isn't in Manny's case.

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Actually, scratch that, forgot the Diaz ko in his one LW venture.

To be fair, he beat up Diaz and the lad dropped from exhaustion and an accumulation of shots rather than one concussive blow. If Manny had KO'd the super tough Margarito or Mosley with one shot, I'm sure the term "freakish power" would be apt but, it isn't in Manny's case.

You're above your paygrade......You've never heard of Wilfredo Gomez types.......So you're a waste of time....

"Floyd beat Castillo twice"

"Marquez 10-1-1"

Hmm...

Lumbering_Jack wrote:"Floyd beat Castillo twice"

"Marquez 10-1-1"

Hmm...

Can we watch this guy's output again........He is surplus.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So let's try to raise the standard of debate and conclude.......

Floyd will never be top 10........Because 30/35 respected posters on here have him in the top 10.......But Al Bernstein types don't.but have Jack johnson in there instead..

Floyd never beat Castillo more than twice.......Floyd never beat anybody but 5 current at the time p4pers..more than any other champion..

Also has 16 yeears longevity without being beat another record

Okay..

You can't rebut any of that Son........Not even Bob Mee..........

Hagler D15 Vito...Ohh my gawd.....

Robinson, Pep, Chavez, Wilde and others had better unbeaten runs than Floyd -- they didn't have the luxury of fighting once in a blue moon.

The P4P ramble is utter tosh as is your board concensus.

You'll see when he's hung 'em up and the next authoratitive listing comes out. Keep the Kleenex handy.

We have guys like chris and the Captain who know their history who have him in the top 10........

So it's not a stretch.........Myself too who in fairness has slightly more idea of boxing history than some above me.......Though that doesn't make my opinion better however.