Why Floyd shouldn't fight Manny in the future !!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 07 Nov 2013, 10:04 am

First topic message reminder :

Fact is Floyd vs Manny is an 80-20 fight...........Floyd should win but Manny's freak-once-in-a-lifetime power does mean that should he get lucky Floyd's legacy goes out of the window!!

Manny is the only one who can HURT Floyd's legacy.............Should Bradley or Khan beat Floyd well the believable excuse is Fathertime has caught up to Money.......He stays top 10 in most lists !!.....and rightly so.

However should Manny beat Floyd........Then the critics will say that's why he avoided Manny. that's why he's not Top 10 and Manny would always have beaten him........

Also Floyd doesn't get any credit for beating Manny..............He left it till Manny was past it blah bah blah..........

Why give the Filipino and is a**hole promoter a ticket back in the game too ??........

Floyd should fight his fights and get out with legacy assured..............

No point in giving a guy a shot at the lottery and a top 10 place himself..he doesn't deserve !!......He doesn't need the "outed" by JMM, Manny anymore..

by catchweight Thu 07 Nov 2013, 8:10 pm

I think the Pacquiao fight might actually now that he is past his best. Mayweather boxed Mosley, de la Hoya and Cotto when they were all past their best and there is still big money in a Pacquaio fight.

by Boxtthis Thu 07 Nov 2013, 8:22 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Have to echo what others have said here, Truss - seems to me that, essentially, you're saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Manny because there's a chance he might lose.

That's what the fundamental message of this thread is (although it's now strayed in to the usual Floyd/Manny garbage). To my mind, boxing fans want to see challenges. They want the best to take on the best opponents. This thread implies the opposite. Basically, Truss is saying that he wants to see Floyd being more protected. This is bizarre to me. I can see that logic from the point of view of Floyd himself - or from his team/family/friends - that's a perfectly reasonable agenda for them. But, from a boxing fan? Bizarre.

Want to see the top fighter of our generation take on some more challenges? No thanks, but I will be happy to act as a close-minded cheerleader for every decision he makes.

by **Seanusarrilius** Thu 07 Nov 2013, 8:46 pm

They shouldn't fight because they are both beyond prime and it would be a mismatch in Floyd's favour. 3 years ago, a pick em.

by bellchees Thu 07 Nov 2013, 10:05 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:These facts are self evident.......

He's the first fighter in history to be at the top of his sport for 16 years without losing........

He's the first fighter in history to beat 5 current top 10 p4pers.......

One of a select few to win titles from 130-154.......

He is a true original.........

Then again according to some he didn't beat greats like Braddock.

You often spout this nonsense about Floyd being the first man to beat 5 top 10 P4Pers when it just isn't true. Manny beat Barrera, Marquez x 2, Hatton and Cotto who were all top ten at the time of the fights with Ring I believe.

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 3:44 am

Boxtthis wrote:
88Chris05 wrote:Have to echo what others have said here, Truss - seems to me that, essentially, you're saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Manny because there's a chance he might lose.
That's what the fundamental message of this thread is (although it's now strayed in to the usual Floyd/Manny garbage). To my mind, boxing fans want to see challenges. They want the best to take on the best opponents. This thread implies the opposite. Basically, Truss is saying that he wants to see Floyd being more protected. This is bizarre to me. I can see that logic from the point of view of Floyd himself - or from his team/family/friends - that's a perfectly reasonable agenda for them. But, from a boxing fan? Bizarre.

Want to see the top fighter of our generation take on some more challenges? No thanks, but I will be happy to act as a close-minded cheerleader for every decision he makes.

Some people have a creepy stalkerish love for their favourite boxers. Mayweather fans before boxing fans. Its obvious they are crapping their pants at the thought Mayweather might lose. They would rather see Mayweather in easy fights than challenges. Id guess if Mayweather ever met TRUSSMAN in real life he would either hire him as pr guy or issue a restraining order. Possibly both.

by kingraf Fri 08 Nov 2013, 8:13 am

"Possibly both", that made me chuckle.

"Alright Big Breasty (coz everyone has to have a nickname), you can do my PR, but there ain't no way you comin' within a 1000 miles from me"

He'd probably take it...

by armchairwarrior Fri 08 Nov 2013, 10:17 am

I think this question shouldn't even exist...I am not dissing your article, just commenting on an issue here which
for me here is that the system of who fights who in boxing at the highest levels is like a cartel and all sewn up as you get superstars like Floyd who is undeniably a great being allowed to dictate who he fights and when because he is never going to get a true test under conditions he sets himself as vested interests are at stake.

I know he's not fighting really poor opponents, but it's as close to a fix as you could get because he is setting the rules ( bit like Haye choosing his opponents )

You couldn't get this in the martial arts, or tennis for that matter...choosing your opponent or engineering other situations like Federer will only play Murray if he "takes the test" ( I'm alluding to Floyds "reason" for not fighting Manny 3-4 years ago ).

Trussman, your article is interesting to me, because on another level it highlights an endemic flaw in this sport that we have all to a varying degree accepted. You wrote "no point in giving this guy a shot..."

IMO These decisions should not be Floyds to make, but he is well above the sport itself now. He is now embarking on a navel gazing mega deal of is it 10 fights? or whatever of hand picked opponents. I know he's really great, but if boxing had a system like other sports then he would have HAD to face Manny 3-4 years ago, end of! and if he didn't, be consigned to the indignity of fighting one or two nobodies to get back up there alongside everyone saying he'd chickened out.,,,BECAUSE you are not bigger than the sport AND THAT IS THE SYSTEM

Perhaps if boxing had such a system, then superstars like Floyd couldn't monopolize it and who knows, perhaps he would have lost his "0". I do think he is an ATG, but not fighting Manny at the right time is a disgrace to the sport..

"he left it until he was past it.."

This shouldn't even figure!!

So...we are left with a situation where a once great fight between Manny and Floyd is now through Manny being past it at best 80/20 AND ALL through boxing having no overriding system adhered ensuring it is bigger than any individual competitor or sanctioning body...just like other sports.

by hazharrison Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:33 am

armchairwarrior wrote:I think this question shouldn't even exist...I am not dissing your article, just commenting on an issue here which
for me here is that the system of who fights who in boxing at the highest levels is like a cartel and all sewn up as you get superstars like Floyd who is undeniably a great being allowed to dictate who he fights and when because he is never going to get a true test under conditions he sets himself as vested interests are at stake.

I know he's not fighting really poor opponents, but it's as close to a fix as you could get because he is setting the rules ( bit like Haye choosing his opponents )

You couldn't get this in the martial arts, or tennis for that matter...choosing your opponent or engineering other situations like Federer will only play Murray if he "takes the test" ( I'm alluding to Floyds "reason" for not fighting Manny 3-4 years ago ).

Trussman, your article is interesting to me, because on another level it highlights an endemic flaw in this sport that we have all to a varying degree accepted. You wrote "no point in giving this guy a shot..."

IMO These decisions should not be Floyds to make, but he is well above the sport itself now. He is now embarking on a navel gazing mega deal of is it 10 fights? or whatever of hand picked opponents. I know he's really great, but if boxing had a system like other sports then he would have HAD to face Manny 3-4 years ago, end of! and if he didn't, be consigned to the indignity of fighting one or two nobodies to get back up there alongside everyone saying he'd chickened out.,,,BECAUSE you are not bigger than the sport AND THAT IS THE SYSTEM

Perhaps if boxing had such a system, then superstars like Floyd couldn't monopolize it and who knows, perhaps he would have lost his "0". I do think he is an ATG, but not fighting Manny at the right time is a disgrace to the sport..

"he left it until he was past it.."

This shouldn't even figure!!

So...we are left with a situation where a once great fight between Manny and Floyd is now through Manny being past it at best 80/20 AND ALL through boxing having no overriding system adhered ensuring it is bigger than any individual competitor or sanctioning body...just like other sports.

Great post.

by armchairwarrior Fri 08 Nov 2013, 11:38 am

Thanks Haz Very Happy

by Boxtthis Fri 08 Nov 2013, 12:43 pm

hazharrison wrote:
armchairwarrior wrote:I think this question shouldn't even exist...I am not dissing your article, just commenting on an issue here which
for me here is that the system of who fights who in boxing at the highest levels is like a cartel and all sewn up as you get superstars like Floyd who is undeniably a great being allowed to dictate who he fights and when because he is never going to get a true test under conditions he sets himself as vested interests are at stake.

I know he's not fighting really poor opponents, but it's as close to a fix as you could get because he is setting the rules ( bit like Haye choosing his opponents )

You couldn't get this in the martial arts, or tennis for that matter...choosing your opponent or engineering other situations like Federer will only play Murray if he "takes the test" ( I'm alluding to Floyds "reason" for not fighting Manny 3-4 years ago ).

Trussman, your article is interesting to me, because on another level it highlights an endemic flaw in this sport that we have all to a varying degree accepted. You wrote "no point in giving this guy a shot..."

IMO These decisions should not be Floyds to make, but he is well above the sport itself now. He is now embarking on a navel gazing mega deal of is it 10 fights? or whatever of hand picked opponents. I know he's really great, but if boxing had a system like other sports then he would have HAD to face Manny 3-4 years ago, end of! and if he didn't, be consigned to the indignity of fighting one or two nobodies to get back up there alongside everyone saying he'd chickened out.,,,BECAUSE you are not bigger than the sport AND THAT IS THE SYSTEM

Perhaps if boxing had such a system, then superstars like Floyd couldn't monopolize it and who knows, perhaps he would have lost his "0". I do think he is an ATG, but not fighting Manny at the right time is a disgrace to the sport..

"he left it until he was past it.."

This shouldn't even figure!!

So...we are left with a situation where a once great fight between Manny and Floyd is now through Manny being past it at best 80/20 AND ALL through boxing having no overriding system adhered ensuring it is bigger than any individual competitor or sanctioning body...just like other sports.
Great post.

Pretty much sums up one of the biggest problems in boxing. It feel like, as fans, we have little power to change the system (over TV networks, certain 'superstars' like Floyd, sanctioning bodies, promoters, etc). But, when fans use what little opinion/power they have and start arguing for situations that perpetuate the current broken system - as this thread has done - then I get bemused and a little dismayed.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 12:51 pm

The only power we have boxthis is to vote with our wallets. I said it an age ago but hdd, during their ongoing and ever tedious flirting, Manny or Floyd returned PPV numbers of 200,000 rather than 1m+ you can be certain they would have had their names on a contract within a day of the numbers being in. Only have to look at Floyd's recent history, widely reported and accepted the numbers for Guerro were disappointing and lo and behold his next opponent was pretty much every fans first choice. Struggle to believe the two factors are unrelated.

by STC Fri 08 Nov 2013, 12:56 pm

You can't compare boxing to most sports. Boxing has multiple governing bodies who compete with each other, sports like tennis don't. Tennis players play multiple opponents each tournamemt, they could play 100 different opponents in one year. Boxers cannot do that. It's the nature of the sport. Tennis has tournaments where the best players compete against each other in a knock out (forgive the pun) format. Boxers cannot do that (ignoring PrizeFighter). Boxers may fight 2, 3 or 4 times a year, they can't fight everybody. Tennis players will inevitably face every rival, sometimes many times per year. In boxing that's just impossible.

So to bring boxing in line with tennis we should have a number of knock out tournaments spread throughout the year where fighters face 4 or 5 different opponents every week, all under the one governing body. Having around 100 fights a year.

by Strongback Fri 08 Nov 2013, 1:08 pm

Rowley wrote:The only power we have boxthis is to vote with our wallets. I said it an age ago but hdd, during their ongoing and ever tedious flirting, Manny or Floyd returned PPV numbers of 200,000 rather than 1m+ you can be certain they would have had their names on a contract within a day of the numbers being in. Only have to look at Floyd's recent history, widely reported and accepted the numbers for Guerro were disappointing and lo and behold his next opponent was pretty much every fans first choice. Struggle to believe the two factors are unrelated.

A bit like the people get the politicians they deserve because they vote for them.

It shows how people are easily manipulated by the super powerful media in our current times.

Just like Alistair Campbell it appears Floyd has been able to harness the power of the 'age of information'. I suppose at least Floyd delivers a good product.

(The fact we have been deluged by a mountain of mainly spurious useless information on the internet is a bug bear of mine. Conveniently the masses have been kept occupied for the last 20 years. The new 'opium of the people').

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 1:10 pm

In an ideal world though we would only have one governing body with a set of realistic rankings and so even if a champion was only facing his mandatories he would be facing at least one good fighter a year because under such a system Dmitry Salita is not getting to number one ranked contender.

Also to break into the higher echelons of the top ten you would have to beat some good fighters. With a proper ranking system and only one belt domestic belts such as the British and Commonwealth title would begin to meet something and eliminator matches would be exciting matches between two guys who had already racked up good wins to earn such a position. You would also have the situation where fighters cannot look to the top of the rankings and think “I don’t fancy the WBC champion much, will target the IBF as it looks an easier nights work” As such if Floyd was champion at welter if Manny wanted to call himself champion the fight had to happen, and vice versa.

by Strongback Fri 08 Nov 2013, 1:19 pm

I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 1:44 pm

Strongback wrote:I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.

This article is the last thing I choose as an argument I felt I couldnt lose. It was lost after the very first statement. Puerile Mayweather fan crappola.

by Strongback Fri 08 Nov 2013, 2:04 pm

catchweight wrote:
Strongback wrote:I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.
This article is the last thing I choose as an argument I felt I couldnt lose. It was lost after the very first statement. Puerile Mayweather fan crappola.

The OP was set up to gain attention and get a debate going, most articles need a bit of controversy or they don't go anywhere. Once people respond to the controversial statement they are drawn into the debate. Things then always seem to turn to Truss' old faithful theme 'Mayweather is an ATG, you can't argue with that.'

by armchairwarrior Fri 08 Nov 2013, 2:55 pm

Mayweather is an ATG. No problem...but, because there is no overall structure where the sport is always bigger than the participants, then it is IMO open to abuse...and leads to situations where Manny and Floyd don't fight 3-4 years ago.

I agree with you STC, that boxing isn't and can never be like tennis, but I was making an analogy more than anything else.

I like your post Rowley. Thats along my lines of thought!

If this situation carries on, then I think the following will happen

1. A few elite fighters will operate outside of boxing control and normal mandatories

2. They will be able to manipulate and control who they fight to maximize their chances of not being beaten.

3. A reality TV like culture will become more prevalent in that through marketing and PR, "opponents" will be billed as more of threat than they actually are.

4. More and more media attention will be devoted to these matches, and less to genuine contender "through the rankings" matches resulting in disproportionately more money in these type of matches at the real expense of genuine "through the rankings" matches. This is happening now with Haye V Fury to the point where people are "second guessing" what will happen when we know about 95% what is "likely" to happen looking at both fighters on paper and their respective experience.

5. The last scenario is where Elite fighters avoid each other and never fight which is Floyd V Manny. This could be both fighters faults, or indeed just one who deems it too risky.

Boxing must get a grip, and even if it doesn't, for the love of our sport we must not let if off the hook and address this every so often in the context of the relevant fights it applies to....

by Nico the gman Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:14 pm

armchairwarrior wrote:Mayweather is an ATG. No problem...but, because there is no overall structure where the sport is always bigger than the participants, then it is IMO open to abuse...and leads to situations where Manny and Floyd don't fight 3-4 years ago.

I agree with you STC, that boxing isn't and can never be like tennis, but I was making an analogy more than anything else.

I like your post Rowley. Thats along my lines of thought!

If this situation carries on, then I think the following will happen

1. A few elite fighters will operate outside of boxing control and normal mandatories

2. They will be able to manipulate and control who they fight to maximize their chances of not being beaten.

3. A reality TV like culture will become more prevalent in that through marketing and PR, "opponents" will be billed as more of threat than they actually are.

4. More and more media attention will be devoted to these matches, and less to genuine contender "through the rankings" matches resulting in disproportionately more money in these type of matches at the real expense of genuine "through the rankings" matches. This is happening now with Haye V Fury to the point where people are "second guessing" what will happen when we know about 95% what is "likely" to happen looking at both fighters on paper and their respective experience.

5. The last scenario is where Elite fighters avoid each other and never fight which is Floyd V Manny. This could be both fighters faults, or indeed just one who deems it too risky.

Boxing must get a grip, and even if it doesn't, for the love of our sport we must not let if off the hook and address this every so often in the context of the relevant fights it applies to....

Spot on with this armchair,if your a superstar in boxing forget your mandatory it seems to be a thing of the past, Vitali Klitschko is an example of that,if Mayweather or Manny had really wanted the fight a few years back, one could have vacated their belt and been installed as No1 contender for the other ones title, thus making the fight, neither did now its a nothing fight.

It doesn't say a lot for the governing bodies who do very little to push for these super fights but jump all over lesser fighters to defend against their mandatories.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:22 pm

Nico the gman wrote:It doesn't say a lot for the governing bodies who do very little to push for these super fights but jump all over lesser fighters to defend against their mandatories.

Ain't that the truth. Vitali goes 15 months without a fight and with no sign of one on the horizon and keeps his belt. McDonell does not sign to fight his mandatory within 6 months due to having promotional issues and he gets stripped.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

catchweight wrote:
Strongback wrote:I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.
This article is the last thing I choose as an argument I felt I couldnt lose. It was lost after the very first statement. Puerile Mayweather fan crappola.

All I get of this knob is how crap my articles are..

Usually after he places five posts on them....Most of them tediously irrelevant or first grade abuse..........Don't comment on them Gordy..IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE

My article is a valid one.........Mayweather has nothing to gain from fighting Manny all to lose..

At least the article is a change from someone's obsessional tragic jealousy of Eddie Hearn.......

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm

He has a lot to gain from beating him, his fans will say it's evidence he'll always have beaten while there will be huge monetary rewards. If he loses he's in the position as everyone else and his detractors will rightly point out he'd probably have lost 3 years ago. If you'd rather see him face Khan or Alexander then you aren't a boxing fan.

by armchairwarrior Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:43 pm

Rowley wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:It doesn't say a lot for the governing bodies who do very little to push for these super fights but jump all over lesser fighters to defend against their mandatories.
Ain't that the truth. Vitali goes 15 months without a fight and with no sign of one on the horizon and keeps his belt. McDonell does not sign to fight his mandatory within 6 months due to having promotional issues and he gets stripped.

Perhaps promoters should start looking at legal action when it happens to someone in their stable citing the likes of Vitali as a case study....

no Doubt Vitali's camp would say, oh, he's running for office, what a noble thing and he'll be back soon, and the sanctioning bodies will say, well, that's great Vitali, on your past merits and achievements we'll keep the belt warm.

Nonsense!!

Again, an example of someone bigger than the sport. Doesn't matter what the reason is, if you are inactive for longer than the rules allow, you MUST vacate. End of.

I don't actually "blame" Vitali or Haye or Floyd any more than I "blame" people coming into this country and claiming everything under the sun in 5 mins. I blame a system that ALLOWS it, and systems are run by people, and those people are either incompetent by not addressing it, or up to something!

People WILL try it on, its only human nature, which is why the best organisations work within a structure that no one person can manipulate to protect people from themselves ( whether its the armed forces or well run sports ). Boxing badly needs this

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:46 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
catchweight wrote:
Strongback wrote:I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.
This article is the last thing I choose as an argument I felt I couldnt lose. It was lost after the very first statement. Puerile Mayweather fan crappola.
All I get of this knob is how crap my articles are..

Usually after he places five posts on them....Most of them tediously irrelevant or first grade abuse..........Don't comment on them Gordy..IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE

My article is a valid one.........Mayweather has nothing to gain from fighting Manny all to lose..

At least the article is a change from someone's obsessional tragic jealousy of Eddie Hearn.......

Your article would be valid for fertalising a garden. Absolute pile of crap. Embarrassing Mayweather infatuation.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:47 pm

Relax Gordy...........

Try to be less negative.........You have a little chip don't you boyo.

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:53 pm

What the heck is Gordy? Im very relaxed. Amused even. Amusingly pathetic to see anyone above 12 years old have an this kind of infatuation on a boxer and write this kind of crappola on a regular basis. Thats what you are TRUSSMAN. A cyberspace fertilisation plant. Manufacturing and spraying your manure everywhere, but of of it things will grow. Even manure can be good for something.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:53 pm

catchweight wrote:Your article would be valid for fertalising a garden. Absolute pile of crap. Embarrassing Mayweather infatuation.

Don't post on it then.

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:55 pm

Rowley wrote:
catchweight wrote:Your article would be valid for fertalising a garden. Absolute pile of crap. Embarrassing Mayweather infatuation.
Don't post on it then.

Come on now. You know as well as I do this article is a joke. May as well apply the same rules to TRUSSMAN.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:57 pm

My opinions on the thread are largely irrelevant. I have the same option you all have. I can ignore it if I think it is a joke. As far as choices on here that is one that traditionally works out better than just abusing the author.

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:58 pm

Spot on Rowley, the constant abuse is getting boring.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 4:58 pm

One minute you're slamming my article and now you can't keep off it......Gords.....

Am I winning you round, Kid ??

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:00 pm

Would point out to hammer and rowls.........

That I never started any of this.......Like usual.......

People need to tell me my articles are crap instead of ignoring them..........

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:00 pm

Crap like this deserves abuse. Especially with the regularity TRUSSMAN supplies it.

by armchairwarrior Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:02 pm

catchweight wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
catchweight wrote:
Strongback wrote:I think there is a big dollop of gamesmanship in Trussy's unbridled support for Mayweather.

Truss has been playing the long game in that he knows nobody can justifiably beat him in an argument that says Floyd is the greatest fighter of his era. That is a great foundation on which Truss can set up lots of different arguments and debates believing it will be very difficult for anyone to pick holes in Floyd's quality as a fighter.

It's just a case of Truss wanting to start a debate that he feels he can't lose.

Unfortunately for Truss Floyd is a cherry picker. Floyd was almost the perfect debating vehicle for Truss. Close but no cigar.
This article is the last thing I choose as an argument I felt I couldnt lose. It was lost after the very first statement. Puerile Mayweather fan crappola.
All I get of this knob is how crap my articles are..

Usually after he places five posts on them....Most of them tediously irrelevant or first grade abuse..........Don't comment on them Gordy..IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE

My article is a valid one.........Mayweather has nothing to gain from fighting Manny all to lose..

At least the article is a change from someone's obsessional tragic jealousy of Eddie Hearn.......

Your article would be valid for fertalising a garden. Absolute pile of crap. Embarrassing Mayweather infatuation.

I do agree with Trussman that "Floyd" himself probably thinks he has little to gain by fighting Manny right now.

...but I don't agree with the events ( or lack of ) that have led to a fighter being able to think and act like this.

I think the sport of boxing has lost by these guys not fighting 3-4 years ago, when columns and columns over the last same 3-4 years have been devoted to why they should fight, because all fans know this was the right thing to do and if boxing operated in a properly regulated system, it would have happened 3-4 years ago.

Basically, everyone in the Floyd/Manny scenario has LOST.

Floyd because it will always be a question mark - could he have beaten him in 2009/10
Manny because he was on terrific form then and this was the best time to face Floyd
The Fans because we didn't get to see something we should have done
Boxing because by allowing fighters autonomy it stops the very best fights happening at the right time, or at all. It also takes away risk, and competitive sport is all about risk and putting yourself outside your comfort zone.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:03 pm

Poor Gordy won't leave it........I will........

If Manny beats floyd he gets to say he was the best fighter all a long.....

If floyd beats Manny.......Manny was finished......

Fair analysis of a potential scrap.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:04 pm

Armchair.......I have no problem with people arguing a different case.......

Just with pointless abuse from deadbeats.

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:04 pm

catchweight wrote:Crap like this deserves abuse. Especially with the regularity TRUSSMAN supplies it.

Or maybe try and make a contribution to this site instead, all you ever do is abuse everyone.

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:08 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Poor Gordy won't leave it........I will........

If Manny beats floyd he gets to say he was the best fighter all a long.....

If floyd beats Manny.......Manny was finished......

Fair analysis of a potential scrap.

So you would rather watch him fight Khan? Forget about his fiercest detractors for once Truss and look at things from a more conservative point of view.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:09 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
catchweight wrote:Crap like this deserves abuse. Especially with the regularity TRUSSMAN supplies it.
Or maybe try and make a contribution to this site instead, all you ever do is abuse everyone.

Or alternatively use the foe button.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:12 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Poor Gordy won't leave it........I will........

If Manny beats floyd he gets to say he was the best fighter all a long.....

If floyd beats Manny.......Manny was finished......

Fair analysis of a potential scrap.
So you would rather watch him fight Khan? Forget about his fiercest detractors for once Truss and look at things from a more conservative point of view.

Not sure.........Although Khan does intrigue me logistically...........

I just worry that Manny could undo all Mayweather's work by getting lucky....

A lot of people look for anyway to bring the guy down............A lottery punch from the filipino seems to be the only way......

Anyone else beats him it's fathertime...........Manny beats him he was the better fighter all a long to the Hauser types.......

Manny doesn't add anything to his legacy..now

by catchweight Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:15 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
catchweight wrote:Crap like this deserves abuse. Especially with the regularity TRUSSMAN supplies it.
Or maybe try and make a contribution to this site instead, all you ever do is abuse everyone.

No just those who deserve it. And frauds like you.

by Rowley Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:16 pm

Just in the interests of clarity, when I said folk needed to stop abusing each other on threads I did not do it from the perspective of opening a negotiation.

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:20 pm

A win over a faded Pacquiao still means more than a win over anyone else at 147lbs especially if he blitzes Rios in style. If Pacman were to win then rightfully in my opinion many will think he always win however he wins providing it's not a scoring stitch up.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:24 pm

catchweight wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
catchweight wrote:Crap like this deserves abuse. Especially with the regularity TRUSSMAN supplies it.
Or maybe try and make a contribution to this site instead, all you ever do is abuse everyone.
No just those who deserve it. And frauds like you.

Enough now Mate.......You're embarrassing yourself.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:25 pm

Bradley is number 3 in the rankings.................Bradley is a better win...

People would say JMM owned the filipino's butt.

by azania Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:27 pm

Rowley wrote:Just in the interests of clarity, when I said folk needed to stop abusing each other on threads I did not do it from the perspective of opening a negotiation.

Is it too late for me to join in? Whistle

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:28 pm

In the long run having the name Pacquiao on your record means more than Bradley, forget this p4p garbage Pacman dominated him.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:31 pm

He is a bigger name for sure Mate.......But Manny has lost his last two fights..

Bradley is number three and unbeaten..........

We can agree to disagree.

by azania Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:36 pm

Truss has a very valid point. Were manny to land the hail Mary punch all will claim Floyd was never that good. Look at how RJJ's loss after he beat Ruiz is used against him.

Any boxer who can challenge the sepia generation will be scrutinised more than ever whilst the others get a free pass.

For me Floyd is top 5 ATG.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 08 Nov 2013, 5:38 pm

30/35 on my top 10 thread............

But we aren't experts because we haven't got Jack johnson in our top 7.......

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