Carberry - opener - 6 - 12th man

Thanks to some runs, Michael Carberry has thrown a spanner in the works, as to who plays in Brisbane. So, the top six will be?

Cook
Carberry
Trott
KP
Bell
Root

or

Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Carberry

or perhaps

Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Bairstow/Ballance

Need to have Carberry opening imo, he is more solid there than Root who should be dropped down to 6 for me.

Have to go with the form so far on the tour - Carberry to open alongside COok, with Root dropping back to 6. Looks a very solid batting line-up to me, especially in Austrailan conditions where Cook and Trott tend to excel.

Now if only someone will make such a convincing case to take the 3rd seamer spot...

Carberry, looking at his performance in some of previous matches, should get a chance. I would also like to remove the burden of opening from young Root, he needs more exposure. Leaving two innings, he was an easy wicket for the opposition. One more concern that should be taken care is, England in last Ashes relied on some of their experienced fighters, and in many departments they failed. Every time they will not have Bell to support so they need to find someone who could strongly hold their positions, because though Aussies batting looks bit shaky but their bowling is not weak, and more over if Baily will be selected then it will give more balance to the middle order. I think this time it will not be easy for England.

Stella wrote:Thanks to some runs, Michael Carberry has thrown a spanner in the works,

Nope the seelctors did the spanner thingy....... by not following the golden adage...." Don't fix what ain't broke".

Compton as an opener and Root as a No.6 was a very well working solution....that they tried to fix......and every step since has been a bad attempt to justify the first mistake....and creating a car-tyre stuck in mud situation.....the harder you press on the gas ....the deeper it goes in mud.

KP_fan wrote:

Stella wrote:Thanks to some runs, Michael Carberry has thrown a spanner in the works,

Nope the seelctors did the spanner thingy....... by not following the golden adage...." Don't fix what ain't broke".

Compton as an opener and Root as a No.6 was a very well working solution....that they tried to fix......and every step since has been a bad attempt to justify the first mistake....and creating a car-tyre stuck in mud situation.....the harder you press on the gas ....the deeper it goes in mud.

I agree, but that's gone. Time to come up with plan G, which involves Carberry, and not Compton.

Last I heard, Nick Compton was teaching Latino gangsters in, uh... Compton how to use bats for recreational purposes.

kingraf wrote:Last I heard, Nick Compton was teaching Latino gangsters in, uh... Compton how to use  bats for recreational purposes.

 

KP_fan wrote:

Stella wrote:Thanks to some runs, Michael Carberry has thrown a spanner in the works,

Nope the seelctors did the spanner thingy....... by not following the golden adage...." Don't fix what ain't broke".

Compton as an opener and Root as a No.6 was a very well working solution....that they tried to fix......and every step since has been a bad attempt to justify the first mistake....and creating a car-tyre stuck in mud situation.....the harder you press on the gas ....the deeper it goes in mud.

KP_fan - to your golden adage, I would add the wise words of John F Kennedy: ''The time to fix the roof is when the sun is shining.''

I think it's rather unfair to refer to Carberry throwing a spanner in the works. He has though certainly stirred the pot and shown himself to be a better contender for an opening slot than many of us expected. I'm still unconvinced that he'll transfer his current form to the more intimidating Test environment where he'll face much higher quality bowlers but he couldn't have done any more to earn the opportunity.

Having an in form and confident Carberry opening and the much talented Root at number six isn't what I anticipated for the first Test but I can certainly think of worse problems. Must be about time for me to post again with the usual doubts and concerns over Tremlett ....  

I surely want to remove the burden of opening from Root, but ya a name though I forgot is of Nick Compton. Regarding his comparison with Carberry, both of them have more or less the same caliber. If talking of fixing the roof when the sun is still shining, I will prefer Compton should get a chance looking he is 3 year younger than Carberry.
Age apart, if I consider the performance, Compton also can't be rated less. He has performed well for Somerset, and in the series against NZ he had two 100 and that too in difficult situation, so he has the ability to stop Aussies pace battery.
If I am backing Compton here it doesnot mean that I am against selection of Carberry, I just want to say why not both should be used one by one. If one fails we have other.

Compton burnt his bridges, whether people like it or not. His chance has come and gone, Carberry has taken his chance in the warm up games, so he'll get his shot in the First Test one would imagine.

Certainly think our batting line up is stronger with Root at 6.

As others have said now just the third seamer spot to sort out

Delighted for carbs, fully deserves it. Takes some pressure off Root as well

Olly wrote:Compton burnt his bridges,

why ?

KP_fan wrote:

Olly wrote:Compton burnt his bridges,

why ?

1. His performance in the NZ home series, which many viewed as selfish. Especially the innings he played where he took like 70 odd balls to get 5 runs (something along those lines), when England needed quick runs.

2. His comments about the selectors not picking him for the Ashes.

Olly wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Olly wrote:Compton burnt his bridges,

why ?

1. His performance in the NZ home series, which many viewed as selfish. Especially the innings he played where he took like 70 odd balls to get 5 runs (something along those lines), when England needed quick runs.

2. His comments about the selectors not picking him for the Ashes.

 
I can undertsand burning the bridges in context with No.2.........a lot of powerful people do not like being challanged or criticized......( Like Srinivaasan of BCCI)
But such vengeful behaviour is not good whichever way one looks at it.
 
and No. 1 is merely an excuse for venegful behaviour justification....everyone has a bad patch in the middle
 
People urinate on other humans publicly, get thrown out of their FC sides also and come back in the next ashes series.
Compton's crimes are negligible compared to that.

I hope some calm and reason will prevail and they will not crush the career of a 30 years  ( with 6 more years to offer) purely on grudge especially when the team needs someone like him.

KP_fan wrote:

Olly wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Olly wrote:Compton burnt his bridges,

why ?

1. His performance in the NZ home series, which many viewed as selfish. Especially the innings he played where he took like 70 odd balls to get 5 runs (something along those lines), when England needed quick runs.

2. His comments about the selectors not picking him for the Ashes.

 
I can undertsand burning the bridges in context with No.2.........a lot of powerful people do not like being challanged or criticized......( Like Srinivaasan of BCCI)
But such vengeful behaviour is not good whichever way one looks at it.
 
and No. 1 is merely an excuse for venegful behaviour justification....everyone has a bad patch in the middle
 
People urinate on other humans publicly, get thrown out of their FC sides also and come back in the next ashes series.
Compton's crimes are negligible compared to that.
I hope some calm and reason will prevail and they will not crush the career of a 30 years  ( with 6 more years to offer) purely on grudge especially when the team needs someone like him.

Credit where it is due, I actually agree with this, especially the bit highlighted in bold.

But the only "crime" of which Compton is held to be guilty is not being good enough to open for England in Test Matches...

One can agree or not with the selectors ; but there is no evidence that they have been moved by any other consideration.
It is possible his little public complaint about his treatment didn't help when they were debating the reserve opener position for this tour - but it may just be Carberry appealed as more likely to prosper in Australian conditions.
So far he has...

alfie wrote:But the only  "crime" of which Compton is held to be guilty is not being good enough to open for England in Test Matches...

One can agree or not with the selectors ; but there is no evidence that they have been moved by any other consideration.
It is possible his little public complaint about his treatment didn't help when they were debating the reserve opener position for this tour - but it may just be Carberry appealed as more likely to prosper in Australian conditions.
So far he has...

Exactly.  

Whilst we may disagree with some of the selections, concentration now needs to be upon those in the tour party. Talking of which, Tremlett appears to have come through the latest match with no ill effects so far ....

I've been saying for years Carberry should open with Cook. I get slated for saying it, but it is what should happen.

Not Carberry.

Too old to properly start a Test career, England should keep Root there. He'll thrive on the flatter wickets, and 5 more Tests will allow him to build his confidence - he could be England's opener for a decade or more.

Root to open, Ballance at 6. #trustinyouth

Duty281 wrote:Not Carberry..

Root to open, Ballance at 6. #trustinyouth

That sounds like a cracking idea Duty. Lets play someone with no international experience and has scored 0 runs in the warm up games. Over a guy who has hit 70 and 153*

 

jimbohammers wrote: That sounds like a cracking idea Duty. Lets play someone with no international experience and has scored 0 runs in the warm up games. Over a guy who has hit 70 and 153*

 

the overall skills , the long FC careers....recent forms in county cricket that led to selection itself comes down to a naught.
onlly the last 2 innings......against some pie-chucking B-grade bolwers in competition-less warm up game is ALL that counts .
that is a cracking strategy  

jimbohammers wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Not Carberry..

Root to open, Ballance at 6. #trustinyouth

That sounds like a cracking idea Duty. Lets play someone with no international experience and has scored 0 runs in the warm up games. Over a guy who has hit 70 and 153*

 

Ballance is nearly 10 runs better than Carberry in the FC averages, and Carberry's Test experience amounts to little more than against Bangladesh.

But hey ho, let's pick the weaker batsman with less potential, and relegate the chap who scored 180 in the summer by 4 places. Cracking idea.