England v New Zealand match thread

by quinsforever Sun 10 Nov 2013, 10:12 pm

First topic message reminder :

2.30pm at Twickenham on Saturday.

Betfair has england 5:1 against. Sounds about right to me.

Are NZ wearing black this time? I hope so. don't think France or anyone else found the Haka quite the same performed in what looked like white gym T-shirts.

My prediction, fwiw (and i know that's not much), NZ to win by 6, england to dominate at scrums, lineouts 50:50, 60% possession England but Joubert tough (but predictable and consistent) on holding on means isolated possession gives NZ the scoring edge from penalties, and NZ classically more clinical with open/broken field possession.

Really looking forwards to it though.

Anyone going?

by ALPanorak Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:03 pm

As the commentators have been saying this game is all England forwards vs All Blacks backs. Brilliant game, super response by NZ.

by EnglishReign Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:03 pm

Great game though, come on!!

by Golden Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:04 pm

That really was an amazing offload from nonu

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:04 pm

Tom Youngs lineout is critical.

by Cowshot Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:04 pm

Just shows what a moment's carelessness or inattention will do against this lot. Another mountain to climb, but now I believe they might climb it! Very Happy

by nobbled Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:05 pm

Beautiful try by NZ ! That's class!

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:05 pm

Our backs now owe our forwards something special...

by Taylorman Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm

Luck starting to go the Abs way. Good charge down.

by BamBam Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm

Parling come on lad, this has to go to you

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:07 pm

I feel Lancaster needs to learn to use his subs better.

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:08 pm

Well done England, good kick youngs

by EnglishReign Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

B Youngs, so slow!

by Golden Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

Youngs is all over the place.

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

Nathan I absolutely agree only Morgan of the subs has benefitted the team....

Hartley has to be number 1 again. This game has shown how important the lineout still is and Youngs is a massive liability there...

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

What is going on with our set piece today!!

shocking

by Cowshot Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:09 pm

How long left?

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:10 pm

Thats game over

by BamBam Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:10 pm

Our line out was doing brilliantly too, such a massive plus for us Sad

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:10 pm

Hmmm, 22 not rolling away? Rubbish!

by Coltnet Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:10 pm

Both Youngs have been terrible so far. Especially Tom!

by Breadvan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:10 pm

Clinical NZ. Awesome stuff. Eng need a big last 10.

by Scrumpy Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:11 pm

Tom youngs has cost us

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:11 pm

Got to give praise to the AB's though they've raised the game again...not sure our boys can match that raise at this stage....

by Golden Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:11 pm

Did Flood come on for Farrell?

by Coltnet Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:12 pm

Game over!

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:13 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Tom youngs has cost us

That's unfair, players (all are making the wrong decisions)

by EnglishReign Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:13 pm

No but we're getting there and showing last year was no fluke.

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:13 pm

Lawes has been Englands man of the match. Hes been immense...and everywhere...and he's one of the only England lads still going when the rest are starting to look out on their feet...

by Taylorman Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:13 pm

Just the right time for stupid sky to start playing up.

by Cowshot Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:15 pm

Well, England can take a great deal from this. I think the team will be very disappointed not to have won and I think it's really our own mistakes at a few key points in the second half that have cost us. A performance of real character and one to give genuine hope for the future.

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:16 pm

Surely ab 20 in at the side!

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:16 pm

Aw I don't think Tom Youngs has cost us. But it certainly highlights just how essential your hooker can throw well...

Poor decisions in our backs has been very costly and tiredness playing at this level has hit in.

But its great experience for our lads...now they know what they must be able to do..80 mins at this intensity...

Im proud of them today...

Well played AB's...

by BamBam Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:17 pm

Bloody Barnes, Lawes isn't world class yet!!!

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:17 pm

One thing is sure- England are getting better each month since the last WC, NZ for me have remained stagnant.

At the rate we are improving we could overtake them soon

by FunBus Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:17 pm

This is the most knackered I've seen an England side...fair play to the lads

by Golden Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:19 pm

Have to feel for the players, played a great game but the just didnt have the firepower on the bench to keep it up for the whole game

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:19 pm

You'd think that Parling and Youngs would have been in better synch in the lineout.

Still around a forty minute game from England. We picked up midway through the first half and started to lose control just as we'd taken the lead.

Better performance than I expected but the disappointment is just as strong because we looked like we might have the visitors rattled at some point.

by Cowshot Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:20 pm

Twelvetrees looking the part more, by the sound of it too.

Yep, well played ABs.

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:20 pm

We're so pedestrian

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:20 pm

Bam Bam on this performance hes not far off...hes put in an amazing performance today...with him and Launchbury we finally have a genuine second row combo...

by BamBam Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:21 pm

Congrats NZ, I'm very proud of how we played

by EnglishReign Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:21 pm

Well one thing we should never do again is have Flood in the squad.

by Taylorman Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:22 pm

Reads been immense, player of the year for me. Saveas come straight back from where he left off. Brilliant offload from Nonu. Good that we can win matches like this.
England fought well after the initial shock start. They need to get their correct backline back and working.
Good effort and character from both teams to show a lot of character.

ABs one more to go to have a 100% record...the gap remains...

by Geordie Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:22 pm

The AB's got a scare there!!! But their quality and id say fitness came through in the end.

The pack is really getting there...but our backs are a major concern...and our subs...the team weakened dramatically when he started subbing...

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:23 pm

well done AB's

well done england.

everyone can be happy enough

by nathan Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:23 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:You'd think that Parling and Youngs would have been in better synch in the lineout.

Still around a forty minute game from England. We picked up midway through the first half and started to lose control just as we'd taken the lead.

Better performance than I expected but the disappointment is just as strong because we looked like we might have the visitors rattled at some point.

We did rattle them, it was a good performance for where we're at. People need to keep in their mind just how good this all black team is.

Better use of subs and Manu back in and I think we would of won.

by BamBam Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:23 pm

Agree GF, just Barnes hyperbole is annoying

by quinsforever Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:23 pm

great game. huge effort by both sides.

england should only get better from here given injuries and youth of side.

england look much more ponderous and predictable with youngs/flood than dickson/farrell?

by nobbled Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:23 pm

Well done New Zealand - deserved win. Very happy with the England performance. Gave them a game anyway!
Need T Youngs to learn how to throw at a line out consistently.
Really enjoyable game to watch.
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by mystiroakey Sat 16 Nov 2013, 4:24 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Well one thing we should never do again is have Flood in the squad.

I think its time people just stopped sticking it against Farrell, when he can play that well against this team, he is good enough!

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