France vs South Africa chat.

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Any Frenchman about?

We are playing you on Saturday.

Wanna talk about it?

Thought I'll just check.

Biltong wrote:How the hell Meyer sees anything that can help SA in Ruan Pienaar is beyond me.

If you look at the dictionary for the explanation of the word pedantic, then there is a picture of Pienaar.

It frustrates me to no end seeing this guy at the back of a ruck.

Agreed, Pienaar slows the ball down, for his own team unfortunately.

Taylorman wrote:

Biltong wrote:How the hell Meyer sees anything that can help SA in Ruan Pienaar is beyond me.

If you look at the dictionary for the explanation of the word pedantic, then there is a picture of Pienaar.

It frustrates me to no end seeing this guy at the back of a ruck.

but he's so good for Ulster Biltong...thats the main thing.

Thought the Boks controlled play well actually and something needs to be done about these pitches. This one looked like the plough mailfunctioned and when manic. You cant play test matches with that kind of footing.

Yeah, I agree we controlled the game well, but Ruan's error at the end of the first half took away the oressure we had prvided on the scoreboard.

Then his chargedown was so predictable, it was uncanny.

He kept the French tails up by virtue of his poor play.

I thought our defence has improved a lot, sadly the try due to Ruan was the only try we conceded on the tour.

Willie le Roux is fast becoming a vital cog in our backline attack. He has an eye for a gap and the burst of speed to go through.

Two tries disallowed showed we had more opportunities and control than the French, but the scoreboard was far too close.

ME-109 wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Scoreline flatters France.

Oosthuizen was my motm, dismantled both looseheads he came up against.

Well if you are talking about an arm wrestle then you are correct. If you are talking about a rugby game then.....I don't think so.

How so? both tries could easily have been awarded by another TMO, could have been a 27-10 game.

VinceWLB wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Scoreline flatters France.

Oosthuizen was my motm, dismantled both looseheads he came up against.

Well if you are talking about an arm wrestle then you are correct. If you are talking about a rugby game then.....I don't think so.

How so? both tries could have been awarded by an other TMO, could easily have been a 27-10 game.

Nah, the second try was not a try, the first one I thought was a fair try.

I'm not going to defend him. Nothing would please me more than having Pienaar available to Ulster full time!  

You are being a bit silly to lay the blame solely at Pienaars door for the chargedown mind you- there was no guard at the fringes of the ruck.

Well done SA. Much deserved, best team on the night

ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

Notch, I don't want to blame Pienaar, but hell he has been poor for us.

Our whole attacking game depends on quick ball, but with him there we just don't get it.

I don't know exactly what Ulster's gameplan is, but we need quick ruck balls.

Unlucky France
Thought it was a bit harsh on Domingo though, i thought it was just a good tackle. Overall the saffers are just a great team and have a very bright future with that team.
Also i have seen a lot of people criticise Flip Van Der Mewe in the past but he has been the best lock I have seen out of all the teams in the Autumn series.
His work for a man of his size is unbelievable and he is great in the line out, i would like to see how many oppositions line outs he has turned over this Autumn. I know everybody is on about Eben all the time but this man (in my eyes) has completely out classed him this Autumn, maybe he is growing not the international scene.
Man of the match today

The Saint wrote:ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

Sadly ME and Quins aren't going to get any attention from me.

Notch wrote:I'm not going to defend him. Nothing would please me more than having Pienaar available to Ulster full time!  

You are being a bit silly to lay the blame solely at Pienaars door for the chargedown mind you- there was no guard at the fringes of the ruck.

I thought Pienaar had one of his better games in the Bok Jersey. He was slow but not his usual dithering at the back of the ruck. And he did attack the line from the ruck a fair few times.

The Saint wrote:ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

Quite right Saint..and who would think otherwise..good luck next week against one of the big three..let me see when was the last time you beat one of them,,,errr..my calendar doesn't go back that far

Jhamer25 wrote:Unlucky France
Thought it was a bit harsh on Domingo though, i thought it was just a good tackle. Overall the saffers are just a great team and have a very bright future with that team.
Also i have seen a lot of people criticise Flip Van Der Mewe in the past but he has been the best lock I have seen out of all the teams in the Autumn series.
His work  for a man of his size is unbelievable and he is great in the line out, i would like to see how many oppositions line outs he has turned over this Autumn. I know everybody is on about Eben all the time but this man (in my eyes) has completely out classed him this Autumn, maybe he is growing not the international scene.
Man of the match today

You're right, Flip has been the unsung hero in the pack this year, he slowly but surely improved this year, and he was really just a stopgap due to injuries.

Good game control by SA. Felt so relaxed watching, early try helped....

Coenie came through so well, scums and carrying he was a big success. Line outs were iffy and having 2 No4 locks is showing but seems that Flip is maturing.

Not too many complaints about the ref, Frances try was as debatable as SA's so thought SA were unlucky not to be given one of them but not surprised that they denied as I wouldn't have been if France also had their effort denied.

Onwards and upwards for the Boks and AB's. Looking forward to next season.

Hopefully, PSdT will get more time, Coenie starts taking JdP's starting spot, F Steyn comes back in shape and switched on, Goosen has an injury free season and Botha too.

Let's hope we get to see Paul Jordaan as well.

Biltong wrote:Let's hope we get to see Paul Jordaan as well.

And Francois Hougaard , just as long as he's not kicking .

ME-109 wrote:

The Saint wrote:And how anyone could think Habana did a backwards dive when he was tackled off the ball I really do not know.

Really...are you blind....

No you're welsh (same thing)

you'll wish you were blind tomorrow afternoon ME.

Well anyways...well done SA. Ended their tour unbeaten, only conceded one try and unearthed some new caps.

Let me add that I want to see a fixed decision and call on the No2 scrum half. If Hougard can get his head right.....

Bullsbok wrote:

Biltong wrote:Let's hope we get to see Paul Jordaan as well.

And Francois Hougaard , just as long as he's not kicking .

yeah, forgot about him.

Bullsbok wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Notch wrote:

The Saint wrote:If you want geriatrics take a look at Pape crying over a simple face-rub.

Yeah, and really really stupid of Louw. Wtf was the point of that?

You'd think Louw would have learnt his lesson, he got binned for the same offence versus Wales, and gave the croud a cheeky smile whilst sat in the bin . So really, it was beyond stupidity.

I have absolutely no respect for players who deliberately goad reactions from the opposition. Pape should have been punched for his efforts , he knew excatly what he was doing.

Nope. Pape would then get a yellow - the right answer is to do what Denton did - laugh in his face. Winding up oppoinents to get them carded is something that all teams do. Ever watched Cusitor at work for Scotland? He is a master at irritating others - then hides behind big Jim when they get angry

Thanks Saint, second year running unbeaten in Europe.

Scored 12 tries and conceded only two in our last six games.

The Saint wrote:ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

FFS - why does everything have to be about wales and your persecution complex?

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

FFS - why does everything have to be about wales and your persecution complex?

Cuz it winds you up obviously, brah. Next question?

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:ME, I see you and quinsforever have turned your attentions from Wales to SA for one night. I'm quite proud to be supporting the 'back-to-back' champs . We'll see you in the 6N and let's be honest, the signs are ominous after for you lot after your sound beatings by Australia then New Zealand (which will be handed out tomorrow).

 

FFS - why does everything have to be about wales and your persecution complex?

cos everyone's out to get him

Let me add that I want to see a fixed decision and call on the No2 scrum half. If Hougard can get his head right.....

Charge downs are a fact of life in today's rugby. Test and sxv is littered with tries from them. Carters let them in more than once nd two were scored today. Fact is you have to take that crucial time to execute the kick and for some of that time assume there is time or that the blocks are there. Pressured defences mean they'll keep coming.

Biltong wrote:Thanks Saint, second year running unbeaten in Europe.

Scored 12 tries and conceded only two in our last six games.

You did choose to avoid England though. Just think how those stats could have changed if you'd played us... would have been at least 3 more tries for you!!

Hmm, just adding this in here - didn't get to watch the game.

http://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-grounding-the-ball/2830036/

Apparently the Louw non-try should have been a try.

Thanks for that Fern, I was wondering about downward pressure.

Luckily for us it didn't matter as to the outcome of the ame, but would certainly have changed the pressure situation in the game.

FerN wrote:Hmm, just adding this in here - didn't get to watch the game.

http://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-grounding-the-ball/2830036/

Apparently the Louw non-try should have been a try.

Just saw that on rugby365 . They do have a point too .

Bullsbok wrote:

FerN wrote:Hmm, just adding this in here - didn't get to watch the game.

http://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-grounding-the-ball/2830036/

Apparently the Louw non-try should have been a try.

Just saw that on rugby365 . They do have a point too .

pretty clear explanation. only thing wrong is their spelling of Huget.

at least there was no impact on the result although the score was quite flattering for France.

Biltong wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

Biltong wrote:Let's hope we get to see Paul Jordaan as well.

And Francois Hougaard , just as long as he's not kicking .

yeah, forgot about him.

You serious lads about bringing him back as a no.9????  

The guy has the x factor for sure on the break.. but thats if he's playing wing like when Du Preez was at the bulls.

He is slighty better then bergamasco as a 9.

I personally think Hougaard would be a better wing back up to Habana than at scrumhalf.

He doesn't have a kicking game

Biltong wrote:I personally think Hougaard would be a better wing back up to Habana than at scrumhalf.

He doesn't have a kicking game

Probably the 10th choice scrumhalf IMO. Real eye for the line though... like a young habana but once his pace is gone... thats it. Although we thought that about Habana mind (but it did take him 3 years to change though and the coaches put a lot of faith in him when he wasn't delivering).

fa0019 wrote:

Biltong wrote:I personally think Hougaard would be a better wing back up to Habana than at scrumhalf.

He doesn't have a kicking game

Probably the 10th choice scrumhalf IMO. Real eye for the line though... like a young habana but once his pace is gone... thats it. Although we thought that about Habana mind (but it did take him 3 years to change though and the coaches put a lot of faith in him when he wasn't delivering).

Hougaard has pace and a wicked sidestep . Yes he cant kick but as long as he's being allowed to run the ball and bring the line in to play from 9 he's magic . I'm a bulls fan and i can assure you when he's not kicking he's a joy to watch . Its a shame he got injured and didnt play this year, a real shame because this would have been his make or break season . Both him and Pienaar dont have the kicking game to match Fourie Du Preez but i'd much rather fast scrummy with dodgy kicking than a slow one with dodgy kicking (ruan Pienaar)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I51jBTua5w

Bullsbok, Meyer stated this week what he wants from a scrumhalf.

Intelligence, a player that can control the game, use both feet to kick and run the game.

That is not Hougaard, if he wants to be a Bok he is going to have to either learn skills he doesn't possess, or become a wing

It's odd to still see so many SA players who seem to have been around for ever! Guys like FDP, Habana and Pieterson must all be about 90 by now!

What's happening with that Bulls wing Bjorn Basson? Wasn't he meant to be quality?

Basson is still good, but I think his tackling is not better than Habana or Pietersen's. His work rate is also not as high.

Also Nokwe was also supposed to be so good, but I think the reason they stood up was more the fact that Habana went through a bit of a dip.

Basson is very poor on defence, I can't see him getting many call ups unless there are a lot of injuries