Fight Night Thread.

[hampo17]

First topic message reminder :

Massive night of boxing ahead. Whose in for the long haul and staying up for the Pacquiao vs Rios fight?

Rocky Fielding is up first on SBO at 6pm.

[Rodney]

How do you know he was going to get knocked out ? Do you think the ref would've stopped it the other way round ?

It was a disgusted job by the referee all round , the game is corrupt and Eddie Hearn deserves a slap

Cheers Rodders

[Hammersmith harrier]

Froch was actually outclassed for most of that fight by a 19 fight novice, he should show some class and give Groves some respect because he was given a gift tonight.
Harrier if i remember rightly you had Froch almost level going into the 12th in the Taylor fight as well seriously you are letting your admiration for Froch blind you to the facts when he fights, tonight he was getting well beat even the rounds he might have won were subjective. For me he was miles behind and if he had not got Groves out of there with the refs help may have lost by very big decision.

In a 8 round fight where one man wins 3 rounds quite clearly and possibly edges another he is never going to be miles behind.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Shambles

[hogey]

Eddie Hearn is a top sausage muncher...

Any further up Froch backside and Hearn could taste Froch's dinner from last night...

Hearn claiming Froch might not fight again.

In a rematch with Groves, Froch gets sparked.

In a rematch with Andre Ward, Froch gets sparked.

Froch = paper champion.

Good one div. you know sh1tE if you think groves wasn't getting knocked out there. Have a glass of water, rematch the round and come back when you have something sensible to say.

Groves was hurt, but i never thought he was on his way out till the ref called a halt, i think if he survives the attack as i suspect he would have done he would have taken over again and Froch would have been a beaten man.
The whole thing leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, cant help but think if Groves had been the Eddie Hearn golden boy there no way that gets stopped.

[Izzi]

Jeff Powell speaking sense. Complete sense.

[seanmichaels]

Adam Booth is seriously taking McCracken to task over the decision.

McCracken claims that Groves would have been seriously hurt had the fight continued.

Robbie boy has just outed himself as a mug.

Not seriously hurt but he was getting knocked out. Be a fickle football fan and make up a story but we all know what was going to happen.

Well next time you see a heavy favourite fall behind in the first half of a fight and then go onto to throw a few bombs upload an in-play betting screen, back the pre fight favourite and bobs your uncle.

You'll never be a slave for a wage again.

Poor stoppage but he was getting knocked out. Not satisfactory, especially for froch but did you want to see groves career end tonight. I think his jaw is broken.

[ShahenshahG]

Eddie Hearn is a top sausage muncher...

Any further up Froch backside and Hearn could taste Froch's dinner from last night...

Hearn claiming Froch might not fight again.

In a rematch with Groves, Froch gets sparked.

In a rematch with Andre Ward, Froch gets sparked.

Froch = paper champion.

Good one div. you know sh1tE if you think groves wasn't getting knocked out there. Have a glass of water, rematch the round and come back when you have something sensible to say.

Groves was hurt, but i never thought he was on his way out till the ref called a halt, i think if he survives the attack as i suspect he would have done he would have taken over again and Froch would have been a beaten man.
The whole thing leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, cant help but think if Groves had been the Eddie Hearn golden boy there no way that gets stopped.

Seconded - he just had to survive the moment. Its not as if Froch was fresh as a daisy either. He was fighting in flurrys with many slaps. Froch bumming taken to a new level here.

[Rodney]

You get a great fight ruined by politics , Groves the real winner in my eyes

Cheers Rodders

[Sir. badgerhands]

Eddie Hearn is a top sausage muncher...

Any further up Froch backside and Hearn could taste Froch's dinner from last night...

Hearn claiming Froch might not fight again.

In a rematch with Groves, Froch gets sparked.

In a rematch with Andre Ward, Froch gets sparked.

Froch = paper champion.

Good one div. you know sh1tE if you think groves wasn't getting knocked out there. Have a glass of water, rematch the round and come back when you have something sensible to say.

Groves was hurt, but i never thought he was on his way out till the ref called a halt, i think if he survives the attack as i suspect he would have done he would have taken over again and Froch would have been a beaten man.
The whole thing leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, cant help but think if Groves had been the Eddie Hearn golden boy there no way that gets stopped.

 

[seanmichaels]

How do you know he was going to get knocked out ? Do you think the ref would've stopped it the other way round ?

It was a disgusted job by the referee all round , the game is corrupt and Eddie Hearn deserves a slap

Cheers Rodders

He was. Most sensible people saw it. You want to see groves in hospital then so be it. Cheers

[milkyboy]

I see the froch fans are showing their colours.

[PPVxHOTTY]

Just got out of Arena was a fantastic main event but under card was poor, Groves was unlucky imo but has himself to blame to the extent he should have taken a knee. That way ref would count and not stop fight along with the fact he could gain some composure. Majority of crowd spoilt occasion for me, jumping up and down every time a punch was thrown, even though half were missing. It reminded of me of biased HBO commentary 'which I always mute'. Booing Groves pre-fight and cheering post-fight 'make your minds up'. Rematch is a must.

[hogey]

Froch was actually outclassed for most of that fight by a 19 fight novice, he should show some class and give Groves some respect because he was given a gift tonight.
Harrier if i remember rightly you had Froch almost level going into the 12th in the Taylor fight as well seriously you are letting your admiration for Froch blind you to the facts when he fights, tonight he was getting well beat even the rounds he might have won were subjective. For me he was miles behind and if he had not got Groves out of there with the refs help may have lost by very big decision.

In a 8 round fight where one man wins 3 rounds quite clearly and possibly edges another he is never going to be miles behind.

He won those less clearly than Groves won the others and also scored a Knockdown mate, Froch was a country mile behind if you cant see that then you seriously need a trip to specsavers. It should not even have been close on the cards Froch was completely outclassed for large parts of the fight.

[Guest]

Groves performed great - and completely different tactics to when he fought Degale.  Froch boxed like an idiot early on and got knocked over.

However in the latter half of the fight Froch came on strong and Groves started to get caught with heavy blows - and he started to box like an idiot - swinging wildly and exposing himself to blows rather than covering up and moving away.  The fight was stopped too soon - but it looked like Groves wasn't going to last much longer - because he wasn't properly defending himself.

Anyway Groves has shown he can mix it at the very top level and maybe the only way is up.  Froch on the other hand might soon be contemplating retirement - he was shown up in the early rounds and he can't keep taking so much punishment.

[Gerry SA]

Eddie Hearn is a top sausage muncher...

Any further up Froch backside and Hearn could taste Froch's dinner from last night...

Hearn claiming Froch might not fight again.

In a rematch with Groves, Froch gets sparked.

In a rematch with Andre Ward, Froch gets sparked.

Froch = paper champion.

Good one div. you know sh1tE if you think groves wasn't getting knocked out there. Have a glass of water, rematch the round and come back when you have something sensible to say.

Groves getting KOd? No chance. He'd have made an 8 count.

Hearn's corruption saved Froch

[Champagne_Socialist]

Adam Booth is seriously taking McCracken to task over the decision.

McCracken claims that Groves would have been seriously hurt had the fight continued.

Robbie boy has just outed himself as a mug.

Not seriously hurt but he was getting knocked out. Be a fickle football fan and make up a story but we all know what was going to happen.

Well next time you see a heavy favourite fall behind in the first half of a fight and then go onto to throw a few bombs upload an in-play betting screen, back the pre fight favourite and bobs your uncle.

You'll never be a slave for a wage again.

Poor stoppage but he was getting knocked out. Not satisfactory, especially for froch but did you want to see groves career end tonight. I think his jaw is broken.

I m pretty sure froch landed 2 clean punches and then for the next load of punches Groves was bobbing and weaving them and they were only grazing/blocked punches, I am also pretty sure that Groves had side stepped the punches and was out of punching distance when the ref grabbed groves and ended the fight. if my memory is correct and groves had evaded Froch just before the stoppage and had left the danger area how can you say he was about to get Ko'd?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Froch was actually outclassed for most of that fight by a 19 fight novice, he should show some class and give Groves some respect because he was given a gift tonight.
Harrier if i remember rightly you had Froch almost level going into the 12th in the Taylor fight as well seriously you are letting your admiration for Froch blind you to the facts when he fights, tonight he was getting well beat even the rounds he might have won were subjective. For me he was miles behind and if he had not got Groves out of there with the refs help may have lost by very big decision.

In a 8 round fight where one man wins 3 rounds quite clearly and possibly edges another he is never going to be miles behind.

He won those less clearly than Groves won the others and also scored a Knockdown mate, Froch was a country mile behind if you cant see that then you seriously need a trip to specsavers. It should not even have been close on the cards Froch was completely outclassed for large parts of the fight.

It doesn't matter a jot if he won them less clearly he still won them, 77-74 isn't miles behind either which way you try and spin it.

[ShahenshahG]

Froch might have stopped him but it was never a certainty and they were just as knackered as each other. like Hogey said a 19 fight novice who hasnt even fought at any level approaching this one made Froch his bitch - its why he'll never be a great and always second or third best

[hogey]

Harrier you are not Froch's girlfriend are you ?

[Hammersmith harrier]

What scorecard did you have then Hogey because Froch for me clearly won three rounds.

[Rodney]

Groves was still punching FFS, how you can defend the stoppage by saying Groves would've been knocked out anyway ??? Really ?

Boxing should've been banned with fox hunting.

What time does Pacquiao fight ?

Cheers Rodders

[Champagne_Socialist]

Harrier you are not Froch's girlfriend are you ?

hahahaha

[Izzi]

Froch was actually outclassed for most of that fight by a 19 fight novice, he should show some class and give Groves some respect because he was given a gift tonight.
Harrier if i remember rightly you had Froch almost level going into the 12th in the Taylor fight as well seriously you are letting your admiration for Froch blind you to the facts when he fights, tonight he was getting well beat even the rounds he might have won were subjective. For me he was miles behind and if he had not got Groves out of there with the refs help may have lost by very big decision.

In a 8 round fight where one man wins 3 rounds quite clearly and possibly edges another he is never going to be miles behind.

He won those less clearly than Groves won the others and also scored a Knockdown mate, Froch was a country mile behind if you cant see that then you seriously need a trip to specsavers. It should not even have been close on the cards Froch was completely outclassed for large parts of the fight.

So one minute you're saying there WERE close rounds and the next he was miles ahead? Can say it until i go blue in the face, 2 of the rounds were close. Froch/Groves both won their respective rounds clearly, but those two rounds either make the scorecards 78-73 or 76-75 depending on which way you go. Probably shouldn't let Jim Watt blur your vision either

[Rodney]

Gave Froch two rounds and those weren't clear cut

[PPVxHOTTY]

The bad thing is the ref screwed up and Froch will take the criticism, I had Groves 3 points ahead and like I said if he had taken a knee this may have helped 'similar to what Bradley did against Provodnikov'.

[seanmichaels]

Adam Booth is seriously taking McCracken to task over the decision.

McCracken claims that Groves would have been seriously hurt had the fight continued.

Robbie boy has just outed himself as a mug.

Not seriously hurt but he was getting knocked out. Be a fickle football fan and make up a story but we all know what was going to happen.

Well next time you see a heavy favourite fall behind in the first half of a fight and then go onto to throw a few bombs upload an in-play betting screen, back the pre fight favourite and bobs your uncle.

You'll never be a slave for a wage again.

Poor stoppage but he was getting knocked out. Not satisfactory, especially for froch but did you want to see groves career end tonight. I think his jaw is broken.

I m pretty sure froch landed 2 clean punches and then for the next load of punches Groves was bobbing and weaving them and they were only grazing/blocked punches, I am also pretty sure that Groves had side stepped the punches and was out of punching distance when the ref grabbed groves and ended the fight. if my memory is correct and groves had evaded Froch just before the stoppage and had left the danger area how can you say he was about to get Ko'd?

I guess most people will watch that last round in the cold light of day and agree with me. If not then so be it. I do know groves was in a whole world of pain durIng those interviews. He entered the hurt arena and came up short. Poor fans booing froch.

[Guest]

How do you know he was going to get knocked out ? Do you think the ref would've stopped it the other way round ?

It was a disgusted job by the referee all round , the game is corrupt and Eddie Hearn deserves a slap

Cheers Rodders

He was. Most sensible people saw it. You want to see groves in hospital then so be it. Cheers

Who are most people?

And your hospital point is completely redundant. Nature of the beast I'm afraid. You or I could get killed crossing the road Sean.

[seanmichaels]

Gave Froch two rounds and those weren't clear cut

That's not the point Rod. Groves was gone, watch it again

[spencerclarke]

Was a bad decision but especially after the perez fight id rather see an early stoppage than a late one. At least we get a rematch. Brilliant fight though. Froch fought completely wrong fight. Shows groves won the pre fight battle. Think we could see a better froch fight next time

[Izzi]

Groves was still punching FFS, how you can defend the stoppage by saying Groves would've been knocked out anyway ??? Really ?

Boxing should've been banned with fox hunting.

What time does Pacquiao fight ?

Cheers Rodders

No idea, what's the time difference to Macau? Where even is Macau? South America?

And Rodney, it was pretty clear what 'would' happen and that's Groves eats another shot and goes down.. he took an almighty left hook that caused him to slump and stagger pretty badly. The ref thought badly enough to stop it, i for one don't agree with the stoppage but should you let a guy go out on his shield at the risk he takes a punch he doesn't see coming as he's on lala land and gets hurt?

Am trying to look at it from a "what if" perspective and weighing up the odds of Froch being a decent finisher and getting Groves out of there

[PPVxHOTTY]

Gave Froch two rounds and those weren't clear cut

That's not the point Rod. Groves was gone, watch it again

How was Groves gone, which fight was you watching?

[Rodney]

Don't agree Sean, Groves was hurt but was riding the storm he was still punching two secs before the ref stopped it, from start to finish the referee was abysmal.

I like Froch but he got one tonight , Groves must be gutted.

Cheers Rodders

[Lance]

froch may have fought top class fighters but hes been well matched. the guy cant handle speed.

outclassed by ward, outclassed by dirrell and made to look slow and average by groves

[hogey]

Froch was actually outclassed for most of that fight by a 19 fight novice, he should show some class and give Groves some respect because he was given a gift tonight.
Harrier if i remember rightly you had Froch almost level going into the 12th in the Taylor fight as well seriously you are letting your admiration for Froch blind you to the facts when he fights, tonight he was getting well beat even the rounds he might have won were subjective. For me he was miles behind and if he had not got Groves out of there with the refs help may have lost by very big decision.

In a 8 round fight where one man wins 3 rounds quite clearly and possibly edges another he is never going to be miles behind.

He won those less clearly than Groves won the others and also scored a Knockdown mate, Froch was a country mile behind if you cant see that then you seriously need a trip to specsavers. It should not even have been close on the cards Froch was completely outclassed for large parts of the fight.

So one minute you're saying there WERE close rounds and the next he was miles ahead? Can say it until i go blue in the face, 2 of the rounds were close. Froch/Groves both won their respective rounds clearly, but those two rounds either make the scorecards 78-73 or 76-75 depending on which way you go. Probably shouldn't let Jim Watt blur your vision either

No i thought Froch won a couple and Groves won about 5 fairly clearly with one even so i had Groves 4 up with 8 rounds gone which is a big lead that i could not see Froch pegging back with his fairly basic skills. Fact is Groves has been the better man tonight and has been robbed of the chance to prove it and that classless chod did not even have the grace to give Groves the credit he deserves. Tonight Froch was found out as a fighter and a man by Groves

[mobilemaster8]

Great fight. Must say that I wascshocked when Froch got dropped!!
Very close fight, I had groves up by 2 start of the 9th but was very quickly starting to realise that Froch was turning it up.
Groves was getting tired and started to get punished. Dtoppage seemed quick, but having looked at it again, it wasn't as bad. Groves got hit with big shots and his head/legs were clearly gone.
Would have taken an 8 count then got "bute" on the ropes. Even if he lasted the round, Froch would have stopped him in the next few.
Groves will be great.......but froch is probably one of the hardest/toughest mother feckers in boxing. warrior.

[milkyboy]

Sean I was at benn McClellan. Benn was more badly hurt in the first than McClellan was at any point. it was the cumulative effect that did the damage to mclellan.. And froch shipped more big shots than groves tonight.

If froch had been stopped like that you'd be outraged. Because he's a warrior. Blah blah.

I had the fight the same as Rodney, and have the same taste in my mouth.

[seanmichaels]

How do you know he was going to get knocked out ? Do you think the ref would've stopped it the other way round ?

It was a disgusted job by the referee all round , the game is corrupt and Eddie Hearn deserves a slap

Cheers Rodders

He was. Most sensible people saw it. You want to see groves in hospital then so be it. Cheers

Who are most people?

And your hospital point is completely redundant. Nature of the beast I'm afraid. You or I could get killed crossing the road Sean.

I wish, they keep swerving or stopping for me. Haito, strongy, etc. Unsatisfactory but he was on his way. Let's not build up groves, fantastic performance but it wasn't a 12 round game plan.

[Izzi]

Am i right in saying ring walks for Pacquiao will start @ 2am?

[seanmichaels]

Sean I was at benn McClellan. Benn was more badly hurt in the first than McClellan was at any point. it was the cumulative effect that did the damage to mclellan.. And froch shipped more big shots than groves tonight.

If froch had been stopped like that you'd be outraged. Because he's a warrior. Blah blah.

I had the fight the same as Rodney, and have the same taste in my mouth.

Totally agree groves was ahead but if you think he was going to shake that off you're wrong. From the 6th froch got dirty. Similar to Hatton Tszyu . Just too strong for groves.

[hogey]

Froch was as knackered as Groves Mobile, if he did not get rid of Groves in that attack i think he was a spent force, i cant believe the ref stopped a fight with a man protecting himself and still throwing punches.

[Rodney]

Close fight Mobile ??

How many have you had ?

Cheers Rodders

[Champagne_Socialist]

Groves was still punching FFS, how you can defend the stoppage by saying Groves would've been knocked out anyway ??? Really ?

Boxing should've been banned with fox hunting.

What time does Pacquiao fight ?

Cheers Rodders

And Rodney, it was pretty clear what 'would' happen and that's Groves eats another shot and goes down..

What else in the future can you predict?

[PPVxHOTTY]

The simple fact was the minute Froch fought 'dirty' Groves couldn't handle it.

[Guest]

How do you know he was going to get knocked out ? Do you think the ref would've stopped it the other way round ?

It was a disgusted job by the referee all round , the game is corrupt and Eddie Hearn deserves a slap

Cheers Rodders

He was. Most sensible people saw it. You want to see groves in hospital then so be it. Cheers

Who are most people?

And your hospital point is completely redundant. Nature of the beast I'm afraid. You or I could get killed crossing the road Sean.

I wish, they keep swerving or stopping for me. Haito, strongy, etc. Unsatisfactory but he was on his way. Let's not build up groves, fantastic performance but it wasn't a 12 round game plan.

 

[seanmichaels]

 

Great fight. Must say that I wascshocked when Froch got dropped!!
Very close fight, I had groves up by 2 start of the 9th but was very quickly starting to realise that Froch was turning it up.
Groves was getting tired and started to get punished. Dtoppage seemed quick, but having looked at it again, it wasn't as bad. Groves got hit with big shots and his head/legs were clearly gone.
Would have taken an 8 count then got "bute" on the ropes. Even if he lasted the round, Froch would have stopped him in the next few.
Groves will be great.......but froch is probably one of the hardest/toughest mother feckers in boxing.  warrior.

[Guest]

The bad thing is the ref screwed up and Froch will take the criticism, I had Groves 3 points ahead and like I said if he had taken a knee this may have helped 'similar to what Bradley did against Provodnikov'.

I agree. Froch was coming on strong from the 8th round and Groves wasn't defending himself properly and that's why I think he would have been knocked out. Maybe it was a lack of experience, he didn't need to try to go toe to toe with Froch at that point onwards. He did so much running in the Degale fight yet here he didn't want to budge and that was a mistake.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The simple fact was the minute Froch fought 'dirty' Groves couldn't handle it.

Well the fact the ref never docked any points is a scandel.

Fact is the fight was stopped too early so we don't know what would have happened, shame for groves and a shame for boxing.

[seanmichaels]

 

The simple fact was the minute Froch fought 'dirty' Groves couldn't handle it.

[Izzi]

Groves was still punching FFS, how you can defend the stoppage by saying Groves would've been knocked out anyway ??? Really ?

Boxing should've been banned with fox hunting.

What time does Pacquiao fight ?

Cheers Rodders

And Rodney, it was pretty clear what 'would' happen and that's Groves eats another shot and goes down..

What else in the future can you predict?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to look back at say the Bute, Taylor fights and come to a rough conclusion that he would've found a way through with another punch. He does finish pretty well.

On a seperate note... when does Pacquiao Rios start?!

[PPVxHOTTY]

The bad thing is the ref screwed up and Froch will take the criticism, I had Groves 3 points ahead and like I said if he had taken a knee this may have helped 'similar to what Bradley did against Provodnikov'.

I agree.  Froch was coming on strong from the 8th round and Groves wasn't defending himself properly and that's why I think he would have been knocked out.  Maybe it was a lack of experience, he didn't need to try to go toe to toe with Froch at that point onwards.  He did so much running in the Degale fight yet here he didn't want to budge and that was a mistake.

True Groves probably saw the winning line and got a bit giddy, like you say inexperience at that level cost him.

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