Fight Night Thread.

[hampo17]

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Massive night of boxing ahead. Whose in for the long haul and staying up for the Pacquiao vs Rios fight?

Rocky Fielding is up first on SBO at 6pm.

[ShahenshahG]

There is such a thing as a second wind and Froch was wild all night - he normally punches endlessly during the end rounds rather than the stop start he was doing last night. As for being no different to claiming groves was robbed - it wasn't him who had been slapped around by a novice who was still live, defending himself and throwing punches. Froch might have knocked him out but no way a certainty - the injustice is certainly against groves. Seeing as he had enough to slip and defend and throw punches in return, its not inconcievable that he could have gotten out of it - especially with Froch unable to sustain his attack for the entire round and made it to the end to win on points. Drastically different to Froch getting slapped around then getting a reprieve from that sycophant.

[ShahenshahG]

If Froch had of dropped Groves in the first round and Groves got up wobbly like Froch did, the ref would have stopped that fight. I would put my house on it.

Both guys were tired and that clampet of a ref jumped in AFTER Groves threw 2 punches back!!

Yes he was a bit all over the place, but it was the last few rounds of a tough fight, so we are stopping fights when fighters get tired now.

Its funny the wums are out trying to defend it, when 22'000 people boo'ed the house down and thousands of others (including fighters and journos) took and are taking to social media to say it was a ridiculous stoppage.

The stoppage is just one thing, the fact Groves was being set up for a split decision loss just shows once again that Matchroom cards are fast becoming set up on the old German model. Well done Eddie.

He says that Froch was unconscious when Froch hit the floor but that the Groves stoppage was right.

I wonder how long he performed sucky sucky on Carl for after the fight.

British officials are a joke. Howard Foster, Ian John Lewis, Terry O'Connor....these lot shouldn't be allowed to ref an under 13s amateur sparring session never mind a title fight.

Anyway, the fact Froch is now a figure of ridicule is good enough for me, couldn't happen to a nicer bloke  

the thing is IJL referees outside the Uk and actually does a decent job - he comes to the UK and Frak it up - he's a bit like england although even his mother probably wouldn't hype him up.

[Daniel1991]

Ok here's my views of what there worth, not a regular poster but fancy getting involved here. First of all George Groves pretty much silenced everyone showing that he can compete at world level, and the first right hand that dropped Carl would have pretty much finished anyone off, but credit to Carl for getting back up. Carl did what he had to do, weather it was a premature stoppage (which i thought it was) and got the win. However George pretty much out boxed him in every department which Carl had no response for, until George got tired.

Few key facts about Carl my view only, look at the matches he as not performed or lost, Ward, out boxed him, movement etc tied him up in close, Dirrell again boxed and moved and Groves movement, faints, and good footwork resulted in not been able work him out in the early stages it was only when George got tired he could jump on him. I see it like this if you box and move against Carl you will always have a chance, Carl does one thing well loads up with one shot, if you get caught he just jumps on his opponent basically just throwing stiff arm shots to try his hardest to get him out of there no thought behind it just apply as much pressure as possible and hope something gets through, at long range behind the jab Carl simply is not effective enough to cause a boxer that has good head movement and a decent jab any problems.

Now the question is this, what next for both fighters.

Rematch? Personally i don't think Froch sounds that up on the idea as he as always fancied Ward in one last big shot at redemption so wouldn't surprise me if that was the move from Carl. George would jump at the chance at a rematch and rightly so. If they was a rematch what would the result be again tough call personally 50/50 match up.

Froch Vs Ward - As said this wouldn't surprise me however i see Wards people wanting a 80-20 split saying such things as "You nearly got beat/you got out boxed against a kid that's never fought world level etc etc" so that could end up been a major money deal problem etc, plus i feel Froch would want it in the UK which is no go from Ward.

Groves Vs Bika - This wouldn't be a bad idea for George even though he would be screaming for a rematch again no one would be against it, if Bika gets though Dec 7th Match this might make sense in a Fight i think George could win, and get another shot at a World title.

Few questions to other posters, views on potential fights in the future etc.

Froch Vs Groves 2
Froch Vs Ward 2
Groves Vs Degale 2
Groves Vs Bika
Froch vs Golovkin

Many people might read the above and think what are you talking about but that's my views.

Thanks

Daniel

[Strongback]

If Froch had of dropped Groves in the first round and Groves got up wobbly like Froch did, the ref would have stopped that fight. I would put my house on it.

Both guys were tired and that clampet of a ref jumped in AFTER Groves threw 2 punches back!!

Yes he was a bit all over the place, but it was the last few rounds of a tough fight, so we are stopping fights when fighters get tired now.

Its funny the wums are out trying to defend it, when 22'000 people boo'ed the house down and thousands of others (including fighters and journos) took and are taking to social media to say it was a ridiculous stoppage.

The stoppage is just one thing, the fact Groves was being set up for a split decision loss just shows once again that Matchroom cards are fast becoming set up on the old German model. Well done Eddie.

He says that Froch was unconscious when Froch hit the floor but the Groves stoppage was right.

I wonder how long he performed sucky sucky on Carl for after the fight.

British officials are a joke. Howard Foster, Ian John Lewis, Terry O'Connor....these lot shouldn't be allowed to ref an under 13s amateur sparring session never mind a title fight.

Anyway, the fact Froch is now a figure of ridicule is good enough for me, couldn't happen to a nicer bloke  

 


It's almost as if the Hearn's have looked at Wazza and said we can copy what he does only they can do it better with better PR. How long before Barry is chairman of the BBBofC?

[Strongback]

Again, Tunes, nobody is denying that Groves was hurt. But it's easy to deal in equivocation and speculation. A fighter being hurt doesn't suddenly make a stoppage a must, particularly in the context in which Groves was hurt. If it did, then surely it would have been justified to stop Froch in the opener when he stumbled backwards after rising from the knockdown as well in your eyes?

Bottom line is, arguing that Froch was somehow a sure-fire bet to get the stoppage in any case is both redundant and nothing more than just speculation. I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't have happened of course, but likewise you could just as easily say that Groves would have survived the moment of panic like Kessler did in round 12 six months ago (and let's be honest, Kessler was hurt worse there than Groves was).

Ultimately, for me it just comes down to a simple question - was Groves badly hurt enough at THAT MOMENT to justify a stoppage? Forget what might have happened in the next round etc, and focus on that question. To me, there is no way anyone could answer "yes" to it.

I said at the time, earlier in this thread, that the stoppage was an effing disgrace. One of the worst I have ever seen and surely the worst in a world title fight.

Given the stoppage was rubbish I just want to go back to where the fight was at in round 9. I believe most people watching the fight on TV would say Groves started to fade after round 6. The power and speed of the shots which had previously hurt Froch were losing their effectiveness considerably.  It got to the point where Froch was willing to take a Groves right hand so he could walk through and land his own shots. This was evident to me from rounds 7 through 9.  In the first 5 rounds Groves was sickening Froch with speed and power and Froch had to retreat. Rounds 1-5 Froch looked worried and was fighting with a significant amount of trepidation.

It may only be speculation but after Groves started to fade a betting man could only have picked Froch.  Groves had lost his pop in a major way.

I also see it that Froch as a fighting force is fading quickly and only for his chin Groves would have done him up like a kipper.  With more experience I think Groves would have won the fight.  He got involved in the macho stuff and lost discipline when he got tired. A more experienced fighter might have got on his bike for a round or two when he needed a rest.

76-75 on two judges cards also disgracefully showed Groves was almost going to need a knockout to win.  Just as disgusting as the stoppage.  It was never going to be Groves' night without a KO from where I'm sitting.  All boxing promoters are cut from the same cloth.

[compelling and rich]

Woke up rather rough this morning and still feel disgusted with the stoppage. Stuff like this ruins the sport we love. A lot of casual fans would have tuned in to the fight and this is how were going to attract them? Worse thing was it was a cracking fight and was ruined. I'd be quite happy to see a ban on any british ref doing a world title fight again, for quite a while they have been shockingly poor and jump in stopping fights for no apparent reason but get away with it usually because they back the home favourite.  We are quickly becoming the most corrupt dodgy nation out there for dodgy scoring and reffing and something needs to be done

[Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn]

Well said C&R!!

What was the fight the other week Foster jumped in too early. I have a tweet I wrote sayin " Howard Foster you w**ker" but can't remember what I wrote it for haha. Definitely remember him ruining some fight though.

Watched an interview with Paddy Fitzpatrick and thought he spoke a lot of sense. He said they were told by their lawyers that Foster was to be ref. he said they new he had previous but if they said they didn't want him as ref then he would be made a judge, then they wud get shafted on the cards. Seems logical.

I don't know why a top top ref wasn't selected. It's not like there wasn't enough money to get one drafted in, after all the bin men who fought on the undercard against the prospects wouldn't have got paid much.

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