Rugby 101

by Guest Sat 23 Nov 2013, 8:04 pm

No this is not a lesson in rugby, this is 606v2's equivalent to Room 101. You make a case for something you'd like to put in Rugby 101 and if you make a good enough case I'll stick it there. Final decision is mine because it's my thread , but I will listen to others who want to chip in; I'm pretty democratic Wink

Focus on the International scene please.

I'm going to start off with music playing when a try is scored. Scotland do this all the time in Murrayfield and instead of adding to atmosphere I think it takes it away - you can't hear the home fan cheers to the extent it encourages them not to. Also, I know The Fratellis & The Proclaimers are Scottish, but just no.
Because that was is mine I'll let you lot decide whether it stays or goes.

by 123456789 Sat 23 Nov 2013, 9:07 pm

Stupid offloads- when a player makes a great break and decides to offload it to the feet of a prop in some vain attempt to get a great try rather than just recycling quickly and starting again. Of course when it comes off it's fantastic but too many times players throw offloads when they're not on.

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 23 Nov 2013, 9:43 pm

"Use it!" when a rolling maul comes to a momentary halt.

When a referee makes that call, it's usually at the worst possible moment for the attacking team. They players are setting themselves for another surge, while the maul has come to a halt, so the defensive line is no longer retreating. More often than not, the scrum half or ball carrier is surprised to be told to use it and not really ready to do so.

I can understand why you don't want to let teams eat up the clock through constant mauls which go nowehere, and just deny the opposition a chance to get at the ball. Nevertheless, most rolling mauls don't go forward uninterrupted, and I'd rather referees weren't quite so quick to call one over before a team has had a chance to get in place for a second surge.

Referees tend to play lengthy penalty advantages when a team is near the opposition line, and I think they should be a little more patient when an attacking rolling maul is in the same area. I've got no problem if play is back near the halfway line

by Jhamer25 Sat 23 Nov 2013, 10:15 pm

Chris Ashton Wink

by Scratch Sat 23 Nov 2013, 10:19 pm

Blood capsules…there's just no place for them in the professional game

by kingjohn7 Sat 23 Nov 2013, 10:41 pm

Diving/faking injury. Just saw french player pretend he s face was smashed to pieces when a SA player had basically caressed his cheek.
I think players should start getting cited for this disgusting behaviour.

by RDSguru Sat 23 Nov 2013, 10:46 pm

kingjohn7 wrote:Diving/faking injury. Just saw french player pretend he s face was smashed to pieces when a SA player had basically caressed his cheek.
I think players should start getting cited for this disgusting behaviour.

Add to that, players gesturing for cards to be shown etc

by IanBru Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:32 pm

Players other than the captain speaking to the referee.

Coupled with that, referees who stop the captain from speaking to them. Reeks of arrogance and insecurity.

by Guest Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:39 pm

Stupid Offloads - They are awful when your team does it, but great when the team you are not supporting tries it. Potential entertainment value high - I say we keep it.

USE IT from mauls - Given how a dominant scrum is more of a penalty machine than a territory eater these days we definitely need to allow mauls to run their course more. So this goes into 101 with the nuance that refs still allowed to call this if it clearly just to eat the clock

Chris Ashton - If we went down this road we would have no rugby players left to play! (Not semi-decent ones, anyway) Anything in particular he does we could get rid of?

Blood capsules - Sounds good to me! Binned (I understand this was a joke but didn't want to leave you out)

Diving/Faking injury; playing to the ref - Absolutely, get rid of this. I don't want to see refs giving yellows for it or anything, I just want to see the players STOPPING

Ref stopping the captains speaking to them - Again I think this should also go to 101 because how is a team going to know what a ref wants if their point of contact is cut?

Agree , disagree with my judgements?

by RDSguru Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:46 pm

"interpretation"

That needs to go...

by quinsforever Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:47 pm

welsh confidence about a win over NZ, SA, AUS?

by Taylorman Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:47 pm

Ineffable wrote:Stupid Offloads - They are awful when your team does it, but great when the team you are not supporting tries it. Potential entertainment value high - I say we keep it.

USE IT from mauls - Given how a dominant scrum is more of a penalty machine than a territory eater these days we definitely need to allow mauls to run their course more. So this goes into 101 with the nuance that refs still allowed to call this if it clearly just to eat the clock

Chris Ashton - If we went down this road we would have no rugby players left to play! (Not semi-decent ones, anyway) Anything in particular he does we could get rid of?

Blood capsules - Sounds good to me! Binned (I understand this was a joke but didn't want to leave you out)

Diving/Faking injury; playing to the ref - Absolutely, get rid of this. I don't want to see refs giving yellows for it or anything, I just want to see the players STOPPING

Ref stopping the captains speaking to them - Again I think this should also go to 101 because how is a team going to know what a ref wants if their point of contact is cut?

Agree , disagree with my judgements?

Yes...for Chris Ashton...see b]Diving/Faking injury; playing to the ref[/b] - and yes we'd still have McCaw left.

by RDSguru Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:51 pm

quinsforever wrote:welsh confidence about a win over NZ, SA, AUS?

by Taylorman Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:04 am

RDSguru wrote:
quinsforever wrote:welsh confidence about a win over NZ, SA, AUS?

On their day though...

by RDSguru Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:08 am

Taylorman wrote:
RDSguru wrote:
quinsforever wrote:welsh confidence about a win over NZ, SA, AUS?

On their day though...

If/When we're good enough again you mean?

by Blueschief Sun 24 Nov 2013, 1:15 am

Constant scrum resets,
Millennium stadium turf
Refs using TMOs when the try is in no doubt

by **George Carlin** Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:38 pm

1. Cliches

The Welsh way, the unpredictable French, the plucky Scots, the weak Australian scrum, the mercurial halfbacks, the yappy scrum halves. For the love of Oprah, do we really have print and electric media commentators and pundits who have the linguistic imagination of a small box of hair?

2. Commentatators who know nothing

Watching Jeremy Guscott try and formulate an appropriate number of generic, meaningless statements about non-Jeff players he knows nothing about and has no interest in is a bit like watching Endurance on old re-runs of the Clive James Show. I'd respect him (and talking permatans like Inverdale) so much more if they just shrugged and said "I don't really know anything about them, to be honest".

3. Lack of humour

Brian Moore is one of the few people in the game who calls a halfwit a "halfwit". Bring back Roy and HG, Jed Thian and Kearnsey - commentating on a game should be a joy and there are some great characters out there. Why are we forced to watch those without any sense of humour to speak of?

by Exiledinborders Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:46 pm

Constant rule changes. The game has never really recovered from the ELVs.

by RDSguru Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:51 pm

Sonia Mclaughlin

No explanation needed

by SecretFly Sun 24 Nov 2013, 1:01 pm

"The Welsh way, the unpredictable French, the plucky Scots, the weak Australian scrum, the mercurial halfbacks, the yappy scrum halves."

All cliches that are true though...especially the last one. So no, I wouldn't put your selection into Room 101 - if I controlled the keys to it. Wink

Good call on the humour one though.

My choice. "Yeah no..." comments coming off the field from post-game players, 10 for a penny. You either agree with the interviewer or you don't. Make your choice before speaking lads. Wink

by Guest Sun 24 Nov 2013, 1:25 pm

The predictable pre match interviews, it seems every team now is described as "physical", no Poopie guys its a game of Rugby.

by RDSguru Sun 24 Nov 2013, 2:07 pm

oops... wrong thread

by Guest Sun 24 Nov 2013, 8:48 pm

Interpretation - elaborate RDS?

Welsh Confidence over the Big 3 Yep, it's in 101 until they beat one. Maybe next week it'll come out, but don't get too confident!

Scrum resets Not sure we can bin the reset itself - what if there's a genuine reason like bad turf (see next) how about we bin packs doing illegal things at the scrum intentionally? Tricky one...

Millenium Stadium turf What would Welsh home games be played on if there was no turf?!

Refs using TMOs when try is in no doubt Yes, they should man up and make the call, so this one is definitely in 101

Cliches Cliches form a great part of drinking games so unless everyone disagrees I'd rather keep them. It's part of the TV rugby experience no?

Commentators who know nothing I think your problem is when they *pretend* they know and, yep, I agree, that needs to go to 101!

Lack of humour On Brian Moore, don't you think it's a particular brand of humour in itself? I'm not sure about this one - any help from anyone? Already got another "yes" so a couple more and I'll stick it in there

Predictable pre-match interviews Yes these are very uninspired and add nothing except sometimes knowing what someone's voice sounds like (I always get surprised when I hear Laidlaw's for example) - into 101!

by RDSguru Sun 24 Nov 2013, 9:36 pm

Ineffable wrote:Interpretation - elaborate RDS?

In terms of referees interpretation of the rules/laws and how they're applied esp NH/SH

by Looseheaded Sun 24 Nov 2013, 9:41 pm

Half time interviews. I dont want to see the wheezing player get caught on his way to the changing rooms and have some stupid questions thrown in his face; leave him to his short time to bring about change for the next half and go to the pundits, that's what they're there for.

Watching two teams who have no connection to the English game, but having to deal with the commentators and pre-match build up constantly being about and referencing english club sides and players just because Sky Sports have to somehow trick people into watching the national side play.

Pacific Islander poaching- self explanatory

by Scratch Sun 24 Nov 2013, 9:48 pm

Stuart Barnes

by Feckless Rogue Sun 24 Nov 2013, 10:10 pm

Box kicks.

by LuvSports! Sun 24 Nov 2013, 10:51 pm

Commentary by Jonathan Davies.
Andy Nicol's eternal optimism... actually keep it, it makes me chuckle.

by GLove39 Sun 24 Nov 2013, 11:05 pm

LuvSports! wrote:Commentary by Jonathan Davies.

Yea, god yes, let's please banish this awful whiny bloke to Room 101

by Looseheaded Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:05 am

GLove39 wrote:
LuvSports! wrote:Commentary by Jonathan Davies.
Yea, god yes, let's please banish this awful whiny bloke to Room 101

no he's brilliant keep him

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:22 pm

Blueschief wrote:Refs using TMOs when the try is in no doubt

Refs awarding tries when referral to the TMO would see them ruled out. Wink

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:28 pm

Hookers throwing in straight... but standing in line with their own forwards as they do so.

by Mr Bounce Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:29 pm

The phrase "He's not an out-and-out seven".

Both Robshaw & O'Brien have outplayed Richie McCaw & they aren't "proper" 7s. This phrase means nothing.

BTW I HATE Jonathan Davies but I do find it amusing to listen to him, especially when he gets it wrong and/or Wales lose... laughing

by thebandwagonsociety Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:34 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Blueschief wrote:Refs using TMOs when the try is in no doubt
Refs awarding tries when referral to the TMO would see them ruled out.

I'd nominate 'refs who constantly refuse to make a call on any try by always referring to the TMO'. Everyone knows what I mean. When you have 5 minutes of replay action where the best shot is actually obscured by the referee who is between the camera and the grounded ball (and only a couple of yards away from the action). Surely a TMO is meant to cover instances where the ball/grounding wasn't in the referees original field of vision.

I'd also nominate TMO who don't call forward passes on New Zealand substitute back line players in the build up to soul destroying injury time try scoring plays.

by tigerleghorn Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:39 pm

Pink sparkly cowboy hats.

Backs wearing scrum caps....what's a couple of mm of neoprene gonna do for them?

by Mr Bounce Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:41 pm

tigerleghorn wrote:Pink sparkly cowboy hats.

Backs wearing scrum caps....what's a couple of mm of neoprene gonna do for them?

I couldn't agree more about this!

My pet hate is fly-halves bouncing the ball before the kick-off. What do they think it's gonna do?!!! mad

by Breadvan Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:44 pm

Jiffy 'isms' ; Dog leg, Noh full back, Numbahs, Gotta goh left/right, straighten up, physicality..

Box kicks
Grabbing shirt when tackling
Token trophy from the 'series sponsor' Dove soaps? Just give the players free smellies...

by tigerleghorn Mon 25 Nov 2013, 12:46 pm

quinsforever wrote:welsh confidence about a win over NZ, SA, AUS?

He'll be along shortly!

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 26 Nov 2013, 8:00 am

TV directors showing shots of the crowd during the anthems / when a try's been scored. I didn't tune in to watch someone waving at himself on the big screen!

by thebandwagonsociety Tue 26 Nov 2013, 12:04 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:TV directors showing shots of the crowd during the anthems / when a try's been scored. I didn't tune in to watch someone waving at himself on the big screen!

The fifa cameramen are way way better at giving the casual fan something to look at in those crowd shots.

by Comfort Tue 26 Nov 2013, 12:33 pm

Sonia McLaughlin.

No-one gets rid of Jonathan Davis.

by Mr Bounce Tue 26 Nov 2013, 4:14 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:TV directors showing shots of the crowd during the anthems / when a try's been scored. I didn't tune in to watch someone waving at himself on the big screen!
The fifa cameramen are way way better at giving the casual fan something to look at in those crowd shots.

You HAVE to keep "Perv-cam" looking at all the nice faces Very Happy

by Bathite Tue 26 Nov 2013, 5:35 pm

Breadvan wrote:Jiffy 'isms' ; Dog leg, Noh full back, Numbahs, Gotta goh left/right, straighten up, physicality..

You missed the classic "nuuumbeeeerrss" everytime there's 2/3 of a yard of space outside the ten. What a helmet that man is

by thebandwagonsociety Tue 26 Nov 2013, 8:05 pm

Bathite wrote:
Breadvan wrote:Jiffy 'isms' ; Dog leg, Noh full back, Numbahs, Gotta goh left/right, straighten up, physicality..

You missed the classic "nuuumbeeeerrss" everytime there's 2/3 of a yard of space outside the ten. What a helmet that man is

Just to help those who might be unsure "nuuumbeeeerrss" translates to "Numbahs" on the ScrumV dubbing.

by thebandwagonsociety Tue 26 Nov 2013, 8:06 pm

One thing I would like back out of Rugby101 is rucking. It disappeared into 101 many years ago.

by **George Carlin** Wed 27 Nov 2013, 7:39 am

Nobody puts Jiffy in a corner.

On the other hand, I would be happy to get rid of Mr Diet Stuart Hall himself, Eddie Butler.

"But what of England...?"

Er. England aren't playing, Eddie. Stick to the subject.

by Comfort Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:34 pm

by SecretFly Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:42 pm

Hmmm, now that we're sticking with Welsh subject matters on this here Room 101 topic.

Can I try: Welshmen who think they're English? Example: Stephen Jones?

by Guest Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:47 pm

SecretFly wrote:Hmmm, now that we're sticking with Welsh subject matters on this here Room 101 topic.

Can I try: Welshmen who think they're English? Example: Stephen Jones?

Dewi Morris is a bad culprit too.

by Guest Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:48 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:One thing I would like back out of Rugby101 is rucking. It disappeared into 101 many years ago.

Agree.

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