Froch Eyes Swansong Fight in Las Vegas

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From the BBC:

Carl Froch wants to round off his career by fighting in Las Vegas, with Andre Ward or Julio César Chávez Jr his preferred opponents.
The WBA and IBF super-middleweight world champion stopped fellow Briton George Groves to retain his titles at the Manchester Arena on Saturday night.

Groves wants a re-match, but 36-year-old Froch told BBC East Midlands Today : "Las Vegas is the fight capital.
"To finish in a massive fight would be better than going over old ground."

He continued: "I've boxed in America numerous times, but it would be an honour to fight somewhere like Las Vegas because I've never done that under the big lights with all the glitz and the glamour on the main stage."

Froch was on the floor in the opening round of his fight with Groves, but recovered to win in the ninth - although his younger opponent insisted the referee had been too quick to call a halt. "As much as the fans want to see it reach a natural conclusion against George Groves, with me knocking him out again, I feel personally I gave him his chance and he blew it - he can't cut it at world level," said the champion.
"I've done my job and it's time to move on, but we'll see what happens. I'm not motivated by money, I'm motivated by securing a legacy and the love for my sport that I have."

Froch has won 32 of his 34 professional contests. His two defeats came at the hands of Denmark's Mikkel Kessler and American Ward in 2010 and 2011 respectively. The Nottingham fighter beat Kessler in a re-match in London in May and is now keen to avenge the only other blot on his record. The only other fighter Froch sees as a viable alternative is Chávez Jr, son of four-time world champion Julio César Chávez.
The 27-year-old Mexican has a 47-1-1 record, with his only defeat coming to Argentina's Sergio Martínez last September.
Froch said: "I've had quite a long career and there's only one name on my record that I've not beaten - and that's Andre Ward.

"In terms of goals and what I want to achieve before I retire, Andre Ward is on my hit list.
"There's also a guy in America called Julio César Chávez, who's a great fighter. I have to speak to my promoter and speak to my trainer and see whatever makes the most sense."

Looking back on the end of the Groves fight, Froch said the referee had only had a split second to make his decision and had to be mindful of his duty ot protect the health of boxers at all times.

"Because it's potentially such a dangerous sport, the referee has to make a split-second decision, which is not always what the crowd want to see," said the 2001 World Amaetur Championships bronze medallist.

"At the end of the fight, when I was putting in my final combinations, the ref saw what I saw, that George Groves' eyes were rolling in the back of his head and his arms and head were slumped." He added: "If you're not in a position to defend yourself, then the referee makes an experienced, educated and informed decision. "Blows to the head are not healthy and it's the referee's job to make sure both fighters live to fight another day."

Nobody in this country is bothered about Froch Chavez its about Froch Groves 2,the fight that will end all arguments about what went on Saturday.

If not we are all going to be on here talking about if and what would would have happened had they ever fought again.

The Slimester knows Gorves has the beating of him

Eddie Fastcar knows that people wouldnt want to pay per view for a rematch again. Especially given the disappointing end to the last one

Neither boxer or promoter would want it

Can't see Chavez Jr being allowed to fight Froch. Its still too dangerous and after Chavez's last woeful showing against Vera, Bob will pick the weakest way to the title. Even maybe holding back until Froch retires and there are 2 vacants on the go.

I wouldn't only be surprised if they both fought, but would be even more surprised if that fat spoilt idiot Chavez even makes 168lbs.

Any accusations of Froch being a ducker are ridiculous, you don't end up with a record like his avoiding people.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Any accusations of Froch being a ducker are ridiculous, you don't end up with a record like his avoiding people.

Exactly Hammersmith,only an idiot or a Froch hater would suggest it, Froch has never ducked anyone.

Nico the gman wrote: Exactly Hammersmith,only an idiot or a Froch hater would suggest it, Froch has never ducked anyone.

Then I expect him to agree to the groves rematch then.

Looking at his list of opponents, he doesn't need to prove he's not a ducker by facing Groves again.

Depends with Froch.... I've seen a lot of respected boxing heads say Froch was probably 15-20 seconds from winning it in any case. I don't think Froch genuinely holding that view is an outlandish theory. Problem for Froch, is that time is running out. I don't think he fears Groves, but at 36, he knows he doesn't have the time to chase Ward, Chavez, and get redemption. Probably has only two fights left. Three possible opponents... only two dates, in your right mind who do you give the chop?

Froch only has the one loss on his record and we all that was because of jetlag and corrupt judging

He doesnt need to prove himself against Groves as we all know he beat him fair and square

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Looking at his list of opponents, he doesn't need to prove he's not a ducker by facing Groves again.

So Froch should perhaps retract his comments about Ward given Ward comprehensively beat him last time and has nothing to gain from a rematch. A return fight won't enhance Ward's legacy by beating up a guy he's already humilated.

Spin it however you like but without a controversial intervention by Howward Foster there was a very real danger Froch would have lost that fight. Without an intervention from God himself there was no way Froch was going to beat Ward if they were still fighting today so I'd say that the fighter who has a liitle more to do to silence the doubters is Froch

The Ward rematch doesn't interest me in the slightest but to call Froch of all people a ducker for not rematching Groves is absurd. I get it Dave that you don't like him but everyone seems to have gone completely overboard here, in his 11 world title fights only one has come against a boxer not ranked inside the worlds top ten. He's fought everyone in the division worth fighting bar about Stieglitz and I personally don't think anyone gives a crap about him.

I just hope Froch gets a good career ending beating off someone and goes away for good. Hope Sky dont give him a job

When Lee Selby is the best boxer you Ovine lotharios have, I suppose all you can do is hope the best of English lose.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:When Lee Selby is the best boxer you Ovine lotharios have, I suppose all you can do is hope the best of English lose

Very mature

smashingstormcrow wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
What does Froch bring? A couple of alphabet titles and no money, so yeah Chavez Jr has everything to lose and not a lot to gain.

Ah, you seem to be forgetting that he's a massive international superstar.

He might be a 'superstar' in the UK

But in the USA he's just another guy that Andre Ward humiliated.

Froch doesn't headline HBO, that's a certainty.

'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Gerry SA wrote:

smashingstormcrow wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
What does Froch bring? A couple of alphabet titles and no money, so yeah Chavez Jr has everything to lose and not a lot to gain.

Ah, you seem to be forgetting that he's a massive international superstar.

He might be a 'superstar' in the UK

But in the USA he's just another guy that Andre Ward humiliated.

Froch doesn't headline HBO, that's a certainty.

I could have sworn they showed his fight against Kessler and offered Hearn a shed load of money if he faced Golovkin, Chavez or Ward, they would be very interested in a fight against Chavez.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

smashingstormcrow wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:
What does Froch bring? A couple of alphabet titles and no money, so yeah Chavez Jr has everything to lose and not a lot to gain.

Ah, you seem to be forgetting that he's a massive international superstar.

He might be a 'superstar' in the UK

But in the USA he's just another guy that Andre Ward humiliated.

Froch doesn't headline HBO, that's a certainty.

I could have sworn they showed his fight against Kessler and offered Hearn a shed load of money if he faced Golovkin, Chavez or Ward, they would be very interested in a fight against Chavez.

Golovkin has a HBO contract.
Chavez Jr has a HBO contract
Ward has a HBO contract.

Froch isn't the selling attraction.

And Kessler was a big name.

Gerry SA wrote:

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Alway's had the bottle to travel and fight fighters in their prime regardless, we know who he is in this country.

Nico the gman wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Alway's had the bottle to travel and fight fighters in their prime regardless, we know who he is in this country.

Still wont get him a big fight in the States though

Nico the gman wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Alway's had the bottle to travel and fight fighters in their prime regardless, we know who he is in this country.

The myth of Froch going to anyone's yard surfaces again...

Froch fought Taylor in Connecticut, Taylor a career middleweight.
Abraham in Finland, so neutral ground. A career middleweight.
Johnson in Atlantic City, NJ. Johnson a man who's a LHW.

Only was Froch the underdog when he fought Ward in Atlantic City(Ward's from Oakland, CA-so not really hometown advantage) and Kessler in Denmark.

He was the betting underdog against Kessler, Ward, Bute, Abraham and Taylor but do carry on with your baseless nonsense Gerry.

Chavez facing Vera got 1.4mil as did Golovkin vs Stevens viewers on HBO, Froch vs Kessler 1mil while Ward vs Dawson had 1.3mil. Something tells me that if Froch faces any of them then the viewers won't just be tuning in to watch his opponent. Also have to factor in here all the others fought in America at peak time which Froch did not.

Gerry has this all wrong. Froch is a massive international superstar.

There is middle ground on froch's travels. He has basically fought everyone out there and plenty of them on the road, on the other hand this is a little skewed by the super 6, which forced his hand to a degree. Since then 4 fights in the uk, with 3 of them against bonafide opponents

I wouldnt blame him form cashing in on chavez. However to avoid hypocrisy claims, if he does this he needs to stop claiming its about legacy not money. He was quick to criticise calzaghe for fighting jones (as were most of us), and chavez would be his jones.

Froch Kessler 2 had 500k views, which is terrible for HBO boxing. Apparently Froch Ward did 500k on Showtime which is also terrible. Froch is not a big draw in the US, which is no surprise seeing as no British fighter has ever been a big draw in the US. A fight with Chavez jnr makes no sense, what does Froch bring to the table?

milkyboy wrote:Gerry has this all wrong. Froch is a massive international superstar.

Bigger than Madonna........ 

Chavez could face the blind on the sun, during a solar flare, and he'd get ratings. Froch can get a decent purse fighting him.

Wonder what Groves does though. Made 500k fighting Froch, take away taxes, Booths share, Paddy's share, and I'd be surprised if he cleared 200k from this. Must be itching for a very lucrative rematch.

He can cash in on beating stiegliz then fighting ward. Froch seems to be destroying his own legacy at least for the immediate future. Once the dust settles he'll be remembered well but for the moment he will suffer. I think he needs to fight groves and beat him comprehensively or else he is going (unfairly) to have this stain blotting out some of his admirable career.

You're actually wrong there MC, it did 500k views live and then 500k on a re-run.

Steffan wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Alway's had the bottle to travel and fight fighters in their prime regardless, we know who he is in this country.

Still wont get him a big fight in the States though

How do you know.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:Froch Kessler 2 had 500k views, which is terrible for HBO boxing. Apparently Froch Ward did 500k on Showtime which is also terrible. Froch is not a big draw in the US, which is no surprise seeing as no British fighter has ever been a big draw in the US. A fight with Chavez jnr makes no sense, what does Froch bring to the table?

World title belts.

Gerry SA wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

Steffan wrote:'Carl Who' he is known as in the States

Exactly...

Alway's had the bottle to travel and fight fighters in their prime regardless, we know who he is in this country.

The myth of Froch going to anyone's yard surfaces again...

Froch fought Taylor in Connecticut, Taylor a career middleweight.
Abraham in Finland, so neutral ground. A career middleweight.
Johnson in Atlantic City, NJ. Johnson a man who's a LHW.

Only was Froch the underdog when he fought Ward in Atlantic City(Ward's from Oakland, CA-so not really hometown advantage) and Kessler in Denmark.

When did I say anything about Froch going into anyone's back yard,read it again,if he didn't travel to the US to fight Taylor and Ward and Kessler in Denmark,you need to enlighten everybody as to where you believe these fights actually took place.

Taylor and Abraham entered the Super 6 that was their choice.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You're actually wrong there MC, it did 500k views live and then 500k on a re-run.

So 500k people watched it live. I think that's 100k less than watched Calzaghe Kessler live.

I can't see what Froch brings to the table vs Chavez other than an alphabet title. Chavez might aswell fight Bika or Stieglitz, for an easier nights work, a bigger share of the purse, and the same amount of viewers.

Nico the gman wrote:

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:Froch Kessler 2 had 500k views, which is terrible for HBO boxing. Apparently Froch Ward did 500k on Showtime which is also terrible. Froch is not a big draw in the US, which is no surprise seeing as no British fighter has ever been a big draw in the US. A fight with Chavez jnr makes no sense, what does Froch bring to the table?

World title belts.

He's just one of many.

Froch holds the IBF
Steiglitz holds the WBO
Bika the WBC
Ward the WBA

But who cares? Ward is the real champ.

Froch is playing the long game........If he takes on JCC........Yes there will be disappointment of his avoidance of groves.......It will also show he doesn't fancy it too......

Holmes didn't fancy Page.........

However like I've always said about Mayweather (Manny)......When the dust settles and he leaves a vacuum behind.......People will look at his record and judge him from that........

No fighter in history has ever been rated on who he didn't fight.........and It won't start now with Froch or Mayweather.........It didn't with Larry.........

Everybody cares that's why there are four world titles, if Ward being the real champ was all that mattered then men like Stieglitz, Bika, Chavez, Dirrell, Froch, Abraham etc. would aim for the alphabets. Chavez going for Frochs belt would bring him more money and more recognition than either Stieglitz or Bika, the former is very unlikely to want to fight in America.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Everybody cares that's why there are four world titles, if Ward being the real champ was all that mattered then men like Stieglitz, Bika, Chavez, Dirrell, Froch, Abraham etc. would aim for the alphabets. Chavez going for Frochs belt would bring him more money and more recognition than either Stieglitz or Bika, the former is very unlikely to want to fight in America.

Why would Froch's belt mean more than Bika's? Froch is only a big fish in this country, only thing Chavez fans know about Froch is that he got schooled by Ward.

I would suggest you are very wrong but you know that yourself. Frochs belt means more because he's better than Bika and more well known than Bika. A fight with Froch offers more money plain and simple.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fights for the WBC.

Aside from the fact his godfather runs the WBC, WBC is also Mexican.

So yes he's probably not interested in the IBF strap.

You think Chavez's fans follow Froch?

Froch lost his big US fight badly, that is what he's remembered for over there.

A fight with Froch offers less money, because Froch would demand more of the purse than Bika. He won't pull anymore viewers out there because he isn't popular.

It won't happen anyway, it's just guff to get a better negotiating position with Groves for the rematch - which is the only real fight Froch has left. Froch didn't have the pull to fight in Vegas in his prime, you think he does now after the stuffing from Groves?

"What does the Froch say".....check this out.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2KqAyPPKk

Gerry SA wrote:Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fights for the WBC.

Aside from the fact his godfather runs the WBC, WBC is also Mexican.

So yes he's probably not interested in the IBF strap.

This is true. Chavez will go for the WBC belt which always favour him. All he needs to do is avoid getting knocked out and he will win it. Froch hasnt got a hope of getting a Chavez fight. Ward or Bika are much better options for Chavez. I think Froch is throwing Chavez name out there in the hope of avoiding a Groves rematch.

How many Froch fans follow Chavez?

It's a far bigger fight against a big name fighter, I fail to see how anyone thinks a fight with Bika is comparable.

Chavez wont be interested in Froch. He will go after the WBC belt and then maybe a big fight with Ward down the line. He has the WBC belt in the bag and can make a fortune defending it against whoever he wants.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:How many Froch fans follow Chavez?

It's a far bigger fight against a big name fighter, I fail to see how anyone thinks a fight with Bika is comparable.

That's the point though, Froch isn't a big name in the US and his fans contribute nil to US boxing viewing figures.

Anyway it is a mute point. Chavez will fight for the WBC belt.

fair play to him, he's deserved it. like it or not, he beat groves. he doesn't need to give him a rematch, just like he didn't need to give taylor a rematch.

he should move on if he's only got a couple of fights left in him.
chavez jnr is a much bigger name than groves and he's already been there.

they guy is full of it.

the stoppage was fair/ the ref robbed me of a spectacular finish....

not fighting for money/ want chavez in las vegas...

make your mind up

froch has been a big name in boxing for years now.
his record of fights hasn't gone unnoticed in the states. - besides, who cares what they think?

anyone who follows boxing knows froch. the fact the biggest name in light heavy s calling him out means he is firmly on the radar.