gatland bringing game into disripute?

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Gatland is publicly moaning amount ref decisions and seems to be suggesting that was the cause of the Wales defeat. Should he face a fine for his comments? I personally think they are deluded. For one it wasn't a forward pass. Also Wales benefited from decisions. For example Phillips should have been red carded. Gatland spends alot of time bigging up Wales and finds it impossible to accept they were beaten fair and square. Make no bones about it Wales were played off the pitch. They lost because Australia are better.

mr-bryns-attitude wrote:i don't normally read this type of thread because they tend to get out of hand,being welsh im really dissapointed with the result but i think we have to accept wales are 1-5 points behind australia,probably 7-10 points behind the boks and 10+ the all blacks.Thats nothing to be ashamed of before gatland we were 20+ points behind all of the s hemisphere teams most of the time.We need our first choice team available against the top 3,our young tight head was playing for llanelli club side a few weeks ago for instance,we need to find an extra 1% and continue to build playing depth then the scoreboard will take care of itself.

how is this everything to do with gats, and nothing to do with rugby academies and recruitment?

ME-109 wrote:Crikey..mystiquins is getting bored of losing out on the Heineken cup thread!!!!!

how's the  tonight stuka?

have been out all day and havent dared look at that thread yet. imagining its still same old same old. all mouth, no trousers, and no news either?

rules...laws...is there much difference really?

Rules can be broken, laws can't ie the laws of physics

I think you'll find laws can be broken. Otherwise we wouldn't have criminals (or need refs).

Also I'm never playing Monopoly with you if you think rules can be broken freely.

All this complaining about refs is rather reminiscent of a certain english coach complaining about walsh earlier this year….seems our english cousins have short memories and double standards

Scratch wrote:All this complaining about refs is rather reminiscent of a certain english coach complaining about walsh earlier this year….seems our english cousins have short memories and double standards

More a case of being annoyed with the hypocrisy of certain posters I would think

Jeez, wrfc has really tossed a hand grenade in and walked away innocently. Gats is just moaning, like ALL coaches do after a defeat and they felt a decision has gone against them.

gatland upset at a few decisions made by Barnes . refs can't make us all happy . gats shouldn't worry too much tho , when hes the next New Zealand coach he ll be spanking Australia every time they meet

maestegmafia wrote:In this case Gatland is correct to question the farce Wayne Barnes caused. Everyone at the stadium heard on the ref channel

Barnes "Allan what did you see?"

Rolland "the pass looked forward but you can check with the TMO"

Barnes "I have no response from the TMO, I will award the try".


Australian fans we met afterwards said they heard the TMO say "the pass is forward, no try, Wayne? Can you hear me?".

Everyone could hear, including Gatland. So you can not be surprised at him making comment.

Sorry, just starting reading this thread as only watched the game last night

That is completely made up - he said nothing of the kind

And in answer to the original question, no I do not think he has brought the game into disrepute , however I think he has brought himself in disrepute.

He has shown time and time again that he is a bad loser and looks to blame everyone else but himself - and is why a lot of posters really do not like him as a person (of course this is only the person we see through the media, personally he may be a nice guy)

This whole Wales vs Australia campaign has really painted him (not Wales) in a bad light

not read all this thread.
But thought I'd post this like I have on another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg&feature=youtu.be

IRB explanation of a forward pass.

Also unless someone can post a audio clip of the TMO I call BS

Riskysports wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:In this case Gatland is correct to question the farce Wayne Barnes caused. Everyone at the stadium heard on the ref channel

Barnes "Allan what did you see?"

Rolland "the pass looked forward but you can check with the TMO"

Barnes "I have no response from the TMO, I will award the try".


Australian fans we met afterwards said they heard the TMO say "the pass is forward, no try, Wayne? Can you hear me?".

Everyone could hear, including Gatland. So you can not be surprised at him making comment.

Sorry, just starting reading this thread as only watched the game last night

That is completely made up - he said nothing of the kind

So Mae is talking BS!  

Is Maes talking Bs ..

News flash

And the BS rumbles on!  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25177848

It's so sad isn't it.

Come of another defeat and just bang on about winning the 6 nations.

If I was a fan I think I would rather them shut up for a bit,

They need to stop talking themselfs up and play some decent rugby on the pitch, they seem like a nice bunch of lads but boy do they need some media training as does Gatland!
 
It wasn't that long ago everyone were calling England arrogant but these guys have taken it to a new level!

Wouldn't be too bad if they just won all their AI games.

I'm amazed this thread is still going. Then I read the article Scrumpy posted.

Though this is not not a big issue, these guys do need to show a little more common sense when speaking to the media.

Doesn't that article just say they want to win the 6 Nations? Didn't say they should win it, did it even say they could win it? They just said that their attention has turned to 6 Nations and no-one has won it 3 times in a row.

There is a time and a place to bring it up Hammer (6N press day is a good place to start) just after another defeat to Aus probably isn't the best time to start blowing your own trumpet again!

HammerofThunor wrote:Doesn't that article just say they want to win the 6 Nations? Didn't say they should win it, did it even say they could win it? They just said that their attention has turned to 6 Nations and no-one has won it 3 times in a row.

its just such stupid timing isnt it.

lose another game and deflect the issues they have v SH opposition.

as i said shut up for a bit or discuss the real issues

 I'm sure that if Wales lose their 6N crown then Warbs will be in the media saying how the 6N is not a motivation, and losing is not a set back to their plans of winning the RWC.

Scrumpy wrote:There is a time and a place to bring it up Hammer (6N press day is a good place to start) just after another defeat to Aus probably isn't the best time to start blowing your own trumpet again!

There's no trumpet-blowing in that article. They're just talking about the Six Nations and their aim to win it (which is surely the aim of every team?).

No its not the aim for scotland and italy.

But surely for the other 4 yes.

But back to the issue - Imagine the feed back we would witness if England started talking it up already and after a loss!

How is aiming to win a tournament 'talking it up'?

Its the timing of it!

The excuses have run out so is it a planned tactic from the WRU to deflect attention away from their poor record under Gatland against SH teams?

its the timing thats all- monday after a weekends loss.

So faced with questions about the Six Nations - which is the next tournament - they should have just said 'no comment'?

You do realise that players get asked questions by journalists first and then respond to those questions? They dont just come up with random statements that the journalists then willingly take to create a story?

Just checking.

I suppose something along those lines yes

Comfort wrote:You do realise that players get asked questions by journalists first and then respond to those questions? They dont just come up with random statements that the journalists then willingly take to create a story?

Just checking.

Yeah we get that.

But they seemed to have a lot to say about that question

Nothing beyond saying they want to win it, and that they'd be making history if they did. They're not saying they will win it.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:So faced with questions about the Six Nations - which is the next tournament - they should have just said 'no comment'?

 
That would have been a better response.

Nothing wrong with saying 'our attention turns to the 6N' but to say 'no one has won it three times in a row' sounds a bit arrogant on the back of a defeat.

It must have been pointed out to him before the interview, hence it sounds like banging your own drum.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont on here  

Yeah i get what your saying Lucky.

I say the same thing in defence of England when the situation happens to us. I cant really argue what you are saying- just putting it back at ya.

Still though, some times its good as a player/coach/whatever- to understand what the press are after and be a little bit more understated and show a bit of extra humility in these circumstances

Ah, so the response should have been, 'we'd be making history if we won the Six Nations again, but even though we won the last two, there's no chance of that because we just lost to a team that doesn't play in the Six Nations.'

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Ah, so the response should have been, 'we'd be making history if we won the Six Nations again, but even though we won the last two, there's no chance of that because we just lost to a team that doesn't play in the Six Nations.'

No not really

Then what should they have said?

 

It's amazing what people choose to see, imo it was a planned response to deflect attention away from another defeat in a must win game (again!)

Why mention 3 in a row?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Then what should they have said.

"We're gutted, but our attention now turns towards our Regions and Clubs and then the 6 nations"

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Then what should they have said?

England are the greatest ,we wont beat them again. We will be happy for a 4th place finish.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Then what should they have said?

"we have to pick ourselves up and look at the challenge of the 6 nations. We have to take the lessons from this loss and work to improve again. The 6 nations is a great competition, with fantastic teams and we are really looking forward to seeing if we can get back to winning ways against top quality opposition"

they are trying to take positives, nothing wrong with that. And its an obvious goal for probably 4 sides going into the tournament.

However I do hate this, oh we can take the positives., we're better for it, we can build on to the 6N.

If they were more honest and said... "look, we're not as good as we thought we are" then perhaps they would be able to stop papering over the cracks and actually making progress and grabbing wins against these big sides.

They need to make small steps not giant leaps and say... "we aim to win every game i.e. SA, ARG & AUS", take rolling dice as an example. Its odds right, in tight games or when you're behind sometimes you chance it and it works out, sometimes not but you'd hope you would get over the line in some. Roll a dice and you have a 1/6 chance of getting a score (unfancied wins are possible).... roll a dice for a 6 three times in a row and your chance of securing three 6s in a row is 1/216. Its the same with winning 3 games against teams who have better players and dominate all the key match indicators.... you have little if no chance of winning these games all.

I'm sure they are more grounded as a group to each other and that to the press they don't want to sound negative but they do seem too content with defeats... and bad ones in that. They were close against both SA & AUS on the scoreboard but in reality they were well beaten in both.

Warburton is a little like Robshaw for me. Better captain mind and he very good with referees but its debatable whether or not he's the best openside in Wales. He is coming 2nd best all the time now and with Tipuric you have to wonder whether or not Alun-Wyn shouldn't get the armband fulltime???

Look at us- we would all be perfect dealing with the press.

Its such a shame we are not world class sportsmen isnt it

why do they keep making themselves available for media quotes? last week it felt like 1 thru 15 all had a pop at Australia.

the wales setup could do with instituting the same rules as apply on-field...only the captain can address the referee (or media in this case).

it's amateurish in my opinion. an unnecessary distraction for the welsh players, and an unnecessary motivation (as it turned out a very effective one) for Genia and the Ozzie players.

Scrumpy wrote:It's amazing what people choose to see, imo it was a planned response to deflect attention away from another defeat in a must win game (again!)

It really is amazing what people choose to see.  

Scrumpy wrote:Why mention 3 in a row?

Because they were asked about it!

mystiroakey wrote:Look at us- we would all be perfect dealing with the press.

Its such a shame we are not world class sportsmen isnt it

Thanks, as part of my job is talking to the press - I will add that recommendation to linkedin :-)

I am the best rugby playing in my household (well the missus might disagree but she is not on this forum)

fa0019 wrote:If they were more honest and said... "look, we're not as good as we thought we are" then perhaps they would be able to stop papering over the cracks and actually making progress and grabbing wins against these big sides.

Agreed. They've been hyping themselves too much. But again, there's none of that in the article in question.

Maybe what we need is for articles to include the journalist's questions as well as the answers given.

It really, really is amazing what people choose to see