gatland bringing game into disripute?

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Gatland is publicly moaning amount ref decisions and seems to be suggesting that was the cause of the Wales defeat. Should he face a fine for his comments? I personally think they are deluded. For one it wasn't a forward pass. Also Wales benefited from decisions. For example Phillips should have been red carded. Gatland spends alot of time bigging up Wales and finds it impossible to accept they were beaten fair and square. Make no bones about it Wales were played off the pitch. They lost because Australia are better.

maestegmafia wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:"I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try". 

That is what he said, before blowing his whistle.  I am not sure what referee you were listening to, but that is what Barnes said.

He said about the TMO before that when he was talking to Rolland.

Unbelievable a referee of his calibre thought from the replays that that pass which went forward and touched the ground was not a knock on...? Rolland said he thought it was a knock on too.

You found and an excuse and you're going to grind on about that till kingdom come . Accept the loss and move on . Why arent you complaining that Mike Philips didnt see red for his blatant stamp on Coopers hand?

This is the dumbest wum I've seen in a long time.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I think hes right to query it but IMO we would have still lost, Cooper run the show and ripped us to bits.

Cooper was superb, the build up to Lealifanu's try Cooper covered the pitch from one 22 to the other diagonally to get that amazing pass out to the winger. Fantastic skills.

maestegmafia wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:I think hes right to query it but IMO we would have still lost, Cooper run the show and ripped us to bits.

Cooper was superb, the build up to Lealifanu's try Cooper covered the pitch from one 22 to the other diagonally to get that amazing pass out to the winger. Fantastic skills.

Frankly it's great to see that kind of creativity at 10 instead of the stodge we get in the NH which is supposedly the modern way. No, it's not!

SO, as per usual it was not the Wales team fault that Wales lost yesterday.

NO, it was the fault of the referee. 

Why, oh why can he ( GATLAND) not accept that Wales lost to a better team, on the day. and that was Australia.

samuraidragon wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:I think hes right to query it but IMO we would have still lost, Cooper run the show and ripped us to bits.

Cooper was superb, the build up to Lealifanu's try Cooper covered the pitch from one 22 to the other diagonally to get that amazing pass out to the winger. Fantastic skills.

Frankly it's great to see that kind of creativity at 10 instead of the stodge we get in the NH which is supposedly the modern way. No, it's not!

I agree, it is so refreshing to see a player of skill and ideas playing ten rather than conservatively minded clones who lack vision but their performances are apparently baked up by stats...

Some of the offloads by Cooper were amazing.

No he shouldn't be fined, I don't think giving his view on the game is bringing it into disrepute. That's a bit different to accusing ref's of racism, etc. If what he said about the pass and Barnes is true then he should have refrained from saying as such. However in the post match commentary there is no footage of Gats saying what was written in the BBC article, so I'm wondering if it really is substantial.

In my view the pass clearly went forward, it was travelling over a line imprinted on the field which made it clear. I don't think that was the difference in the game, which was won/lost at the breakdown. I think both yellow's were ridiculous too.

wrfc1980 wrote:This is why the welsh are starting to be disliked in rugby circles. They blame others of being arrogent yet continue to big up themselves. When they fail to deliver they are robbed and just don't accept the true state of affairs

You post the same regurgitated rubbish after every game because of some stupid headlines from the media. There's no evidence of any of this.

The Saint wrote:

wrfc1980 wrote:This is why the welsh are starting to be disliked in rugby circles. They blame others of being arrogent yet continue to big up themselves. When they fail to deliver they are robbed and just don't accept the true state of affairs

You post the same regurgitated rubbish after every game because of some stupid headlines from the media. There's no evidence of any of this.

this whole tread is evidence of this. The huge chip on the shoulder of some welsh fans and the incessant whining about refs when beaten.

Its the same type of arguments week in week out and why this place drives me up the wall. No team can win fairly at this game, infact sometimes you cant even lose fairly /headsgone

As a neutral I don't consider that Gatland is bring the game into disrepute; however, he is coming across as a whinger. A better thing to say would be that "It could have been a very different result if a couple of referee's decisions had gone our way". However, he has chosen instead to attack the referee. Stop turning our lovely game into Wendyball. This is the sort of behaviour that befits a football manager. Any rugby coach/manager whatever their team should be flamed for such comments. Losing hurts - get over it man!

Also, I think it shows the lack of strength in depth in certain positions that Wales have. Tight-head prop isn't brilliant without Adam Jones (not that there were many scrums...) and the lack of penetration by the centres show just how much Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies are missed.

Whatever the result, it was a cracking game; that said, given that Cooper was at his enigmatic best, it wasn't one that they really DESERVED to win.

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:

wrfc1980 wrote:This is why the welsh are starting to be disliked in rugby circles. They blame others of being arrogent yet continue to big up themselves. When they fail to deliver they are robbed and just don't accept the true state of affairs

You post the same regurgitated rubbish after every game because of some stupid headlines from the media. There's no evidence of any of this.

this whole tread is evidence of this.  The huge chip on the shoulder of some welsh fans and the incessant whining about refs when beaten.

Another one of your ridiculous, anti-welsh comments. I've seen one Welsh fan on here question the ref's decision, which isn't incessant whinging as you describe. Nor is it evidence to suggest that there's a chip on shoulder of welsh fans. If you didn't have it in for Welsh fans so much you'd see this and accept that they're allowed to discuss the match and officials like every other fan is allowed to do so.

Anyway like I said, why is there no footage of Gats apparently slamming Barnes? It's a bit fishy that the BBC article would quote his exact words from the post-game interview and then throw that in there when it wasn't recorded in any of the conferences.

Desperately close game and Gatland has every right to feel disappointed and express a view that he didn't believe the try should have been awarded. But that's the end of it. If he continues to give interviews banging on about this, then sour grapes will be the inevitable cry.

Gatland is a divisive character and as a generalization I think it is an unavoidable inference that he coached a side to a successful Lions series win whilst not winning any new friends in the home nations in the process. That's actually quite a feat.

It's a matter of personal preference. I just think that you are setting yourself up for criticism if you make a point of saying to the press beforehand that your forwards should dominate and that you believe you'll win. Then again, all Gats can do is answer the questions that he is asked and the press now tend to construe most things that come out of his mouth as antagonistic, regardless of whether that's the intention.

Mr Bounce wrote:As a neutral I don't consider that Gatland is bring the game into disrepute; however, he is coming across as a whinger. A better thing to say would be that "It could have been a very different result if a couple of referee's decisions had gone our way". However, he has chosen instead to attack the referee. Stop turning our lovely game into Wendyball. This is the sort of behaviour that befits a football manager. Any rugby coach/manager whatever their team should be flamed for such comments. Losing hurts - get over it man!

Also, I think it shows the lack of strength in depth in certain positions that Wales have. Tight-head prop isn't brilliant without Adam Jones (not that there were many scrums...) and the lack of penetration by the centres show just how much Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies are missed.

Whatever the result, it was a cracking game; that said, given that Cooper was at his enigmatic best, it wasn't one that they really DESERVED to win.

Would have been better said like that, but Gats still would have been compared to Hitler so don't waste your time thinking otherwise.

Mr Bounce wrote:As a neutral I don't consider that Gatland is bring the game into disrepute; however, he is coming across as a whinger. A better thing to say would be that "It could have been a very different result if a couple of referee's decisions had gone our way". However, he has chosen instead to attack the referee. Stop turning our lovely game into Wendyball. This is the sort of behaviour that befits a football manager. Any rugby coach/manager whatever their team should be flamed for such comments. Losing hurts - get over it man!

Also, I think it shows the lack of strength in depth in certain positions that Wales have. Tight-head prop isn't brilliant without Adam Jones (not that there were many scrums...) and the lack of penetration by the centres show just how much Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies are missed.

Whatever the result, it was a cracking game; that said, given that Cooper was at his enigmatic best, it wasn't one that they really DESERVED to win.

Just discussing the ravages of injury on another thread. You are right that missing world class players in any position is going to weaken a team from their first choice, but so much more so when there are also three or four injuries behind the first choice forcing selection of fourth or fifth choice players.

With that said it is unfair to expect a fourth choice international player that has a couple of caps to be compared to a world class player who usually fills their roll.

The Saint wrote:

Mr Bounce wrote:As a neutral I don't consider that Gatland is bring the game into disrepute; however, he is coming across as a whinger. A better thing to say would be that "It could have been a very different result if a couple of referee's decisions had gone our way". However, he has chosen instead to attack the referee. Stop turning our lovely game into Wendyball. This is the sort of behaviour that befits a football manager. Any rugby coach/manager whatever their team should be flamed for such comments. Losing hurts - get over it man!

Also, I think it shows the lack of strength in depth in certain positions that Wales have. Tight-head prop isn't brilliant without Adam Jones (not that there were many scrums...) and the lack of penetration by the centres show just how much Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies are missed.

Whatever the result, it was a cracking game; that said, given that Cooper was at his enigmatic best, it wasn't one that they really DESERVED to win.

Would have been better said like that, but Gats still would have been compared to Hitler so don't waste your time thinking otherwise.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-coach-warren-gatland-criticises-6358575 Theres the footage . From your own site no less

Rory_Gallagher wrote:"I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try". 

That is what he said, before blowing his whistle.  I am not sure what referee you were listening to, but that is what Barnes said.

From ESPN

Joe Tomane superbly picked up a low pass one handed off the ground and dived over the line in the corner. Barnes referred the score to the TMO asking if the final pass had been forward. After several replays, the TMO said he had a decision but before he could say what it was Barnes interrupted saying he had seen the replays and they were inconclusive so he was awarding the try.


Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/wales/rugby/story/207769.html#sZb6xARTuhX2oXHp.99

are there any set rules- about who to give the benefit of doubt to- the attacking team or the defending team?

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:

wrfc1980 wrote:This is why the welsh are starting to be disliked in rugby circles. They blame others of being arrogent yet continue to big up themselves. When they fail to deliver they are robbed and just don't accept the true state of affairs

You post the same regurgitated rubbish after every game because of some stupid headlines from the media. There's no evidence of any of this.

this whole tread is evidence of this.  The huge chip on the shoulder of some welsh fans and the incessant whining about refs when beaten.

Another one of your ridiculous, anti-welsh comments. I've seen one Welsh fan on here question the ref's decision, which isn't incessant whinging as you describe. Nor is it evidence to suggest that there's a chip on shoulder of welsh fans. If you didn't have it in for Welsh fans so much you'd see this and accept that they're allowed to discuss the match and officials like every other fan is allowed to do so.

Anyway like I said, why is there no footage of Gats apparently slamming Barnes? It's a bit fishy that the BBC article would quote his exact words from the post-game interview and then throw that in there when it wasn't recorded in any of the conferences.

What anti welsh comments - thee are loads of posters whining about the refs decisions. But its anti welsh to point out the hypocrisy in what you way. Its nothing to do with headline in the media - its the comments of the welsh fans. You are one of the worst with your insistence that wales are the best NH team in the face of the evidence.

maestegmafia wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:"I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try". 

That is what he said, before blowing his whistle.  I am not sure what referee you were listening to, but that is what Barnes said.

From ESPN

Joe Tomane superbly picked up a low pass one handed off the ground and dived over the line in the corner. Barnes referred the score to the TMO asking if the final pass had been forward. After several replays, the TMO said he had a decision but before he could say what it was Barnes interrupted saying he had seen the replays and they were inconclusive so he was awarding the try.


Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/wales/rugby/story/207769.html#sZb6xARTuhX2oXHp.99

Dont need to read a review , when you can watch it and hear it yourself . Skip to 1:39:15 Rory is right , he clearly says "I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try"

Now can we end this

Bullsbok wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:"I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try". 

That is what he said, before blowing his whistle.  I am not sure what referee you were listening to, but that is what Barnes said.

From ESPN

Joe Tomane superbly picked up a low pass one handed off the ground and dived over the line in the corner. Barnes referred the score to the TMO asking if the final pass had been forward. After several replays, the TMO said he had a decision but before he could say what it was Barnes interrupted saying he had seen the replays and they were inconclusive so he was awarding the try.


Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/wales/rugby/story/207769.html#sZb6xARTuhX2oXHp.99

Dont need to read a review , when you can watch it and hear it yourself  .  Skip to 1:39:15     Rory is right , he clearly says "I can see it on the big screen, and it's not clear and obvious so I'm going to award the try"

Now can we end this

The TMO and touch judge both said it was a forward pass. Barnes ignored to assistants and awarded the decision incorrectly.

Yes it's finished. Barnes poor refereeing effected the result...

here you go saint. Welsh whinging.

maestegmafia wrote:

An awful decision by the ref. such a travesty when inaptitude is the basis of the result.

A sad day for rugby

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Barnes collecting a winners medal over that showing,Aussie second try come from a turn over, a turn from Hibbard who was clothes lined.
Third forward pass.

Then to blow up so quick when North was clear in!! it was Wales advantage because the ball didn't even go forward.
Break down an absolute free for all for the Aussies,in the side off feet no wonder they had such quick ball.

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DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:I know,but Barnes don't want Wales doing well he is English.

glamorganalun wrote:The pass was clearlyt forward hence the great pick up by the "scorer" , for me the try was really butchered but Barnes not for the first time ignores the TMO.

Bullsbok wrote:

The Saint wrote:

Mr Bounce wrote:As a neutral I don't consider that Gatland is bring the game into disrepute; however, he is coming across as a whinger. A better thing to say would be that "It could have been a very different result if a couple of referee's decisions had gone our way". However, he has chosen instead to attack the referee. Stop turning our lovely game into Wendyball. This is the sort of behaviour that befits a football manager. Any rugby coach/manager whatever their team should be flamed for such comments. Losing hurts - get over it man!

Also, I think it shows the lack of strength in depth in certain positions that Wales have. Tight-head prop isn't brilliant without Adam Jones (not that there were many scrums...) and the lack of penetration by the centres show just how much Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies are missed.

Whatever the result, it was a cracking game; that said, given that Cooper was at his enigmatic best, it wasn't one that they really DESERVED to win.

Would have been better said like that, but Gats still would have been compared to Hitler so don't waste your time thinking otherwise.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-coach-warren-gatland-criticises-6358575  Theres the footage . From your own site no less

Thanks, that's one thing off my mind.

Have asked this before but cant remember if got answered, in a case like this where the ref has made a mistake that in theory affected the result of the game will he reprimanded or should he be reprimanded by not getting to ref for a certain amount of time.

what mistake do you think he made?

the pass was back but went forward on momentum.

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:

TJ wrote:

The Saint wrote:

wrfc1980 wrote:This is why the welsh are starting to be disliked in rugby circles. They blame others of being arrogent yet continue to big up themselves. When they fail to deliver they are robbed and just don't accept the true state of affairs

You post the same regurgitated rubbish after every game because of some stupid headlines from the media. There's no evidence of any of this.

this whole tread is evidence of this.  The huge chip on the shoulder of some welsh fans and the incessant whining about refs when beaten.

Another one of your ridiculous, anti-welsh comments. I've seen one Welsh fan on here question the ref's decision, which isn't incessant whinging as you describe. Nor is it evidence to suggest that there's a chip on shoulder of welsh fans. If you didn't have it in for Welsh fans so much you'd see this and accept that they're allowed to discuss the match and officials like every other fan is allowed to do so.

Anyway like I said, why is there no footage of Gats apparently slamming Barnes? It's a bit fishy that the BBC article would quote his exact words from the post-game interview and then throw that in there when it wasn't recorded in any of the conferences.

What anti welsh comments - thee are loads of posters whining about the refs decisions.  But its anti welsh to point out the hypocrisy in what you way.  Its nothing to do with headline in the media - its the comments of the welsh fans. You are one of the worst with your insistence that wales are the best NH team in the face of the evidence.

Your whole attitude towards the Welsh I'm referring to, and because of a handful of posters comments you resent and blame the Welsh, you've been told numerous times. I don't see loads of posters whining about the refs decisions. How can I be one of the worst, all I do is point out the truth which you always disagree with and show off over, and I haven't always insisted the back-to-back champions are the best in the NH. That's an arguement you've made up so you coat-tail other teams and try to run us down. Quite sad.

Also, you've quoted two well-known WUM posters (sorry GlamAl), and Maes gave a balanced, personal opinion on the scenario. He and alun criticised Barnes' use of the TMO which is fair, some posters are of the opinion he used the TMO correctly, which is fair. Again, I don't see how that is incessant welsh whinging or the 'Welsh' having a chip on their shoulder. If you didn't have it in for the Welsh you wouldn't have moaned and bitched about people having a different opinion to yours.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Have asked this before but cant remember if got answered, in a case like this where the ref has made a mistake that in theory affected the result of the game will he reprimanded or should he be reprimanded by not getting to ref for a certain amount of time.

I dont think they're reprimanded publicly but i do believe they get demoted to less high profile games. Take Mr Poite for example who recently found himself in Romania i think ? after the AB , Bok game .

Saint you are ridiculous. You claim I am anti welsh for pointing out the incessant welsh whinging about refs, you claim it doesn't happen - so I give you just a few examples of welsh whinging that disfigures these boards. You did insist the welsh re the best NH team.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Have asked this before but cant remember if got answered, in a case like this where the ref has made a mistake that in theory affected the result of the game will he reprimanded or should he be reprimanded by not getting to ref for a certain amount of time.

All referees performances are reviewed and assessed. It is an internal IRB concern that is rarely publisised.

Hopefully improving the quality and consistency of adjudicating.

There have been a number of incidents this series where the ref has watched the replay and made the call himself (eg Hartley's innocent attempt to return to an on-side position for England's try vs the Aussies). Think it's a good idea myself - he is the ref after all. And waiting an age for the TMO to make a call is very annoying.  

But the ref had no bearing on the result. If the Aussies hadn't mucked up so many opportunities particularly in the 1st half, they'd have been out of sight at half-time. And after 9 wins in the last 9 games I think there are few thing more certain in the world than Aus currently have the beating of Wales.

TJ wrote:Saint  you are ridiculous.  You claim I am anti welsh for pointing out the incessant welsh whinging about refs, you claim it doesn't happen - so I give you just a few examples of welsh whinging that disfigures these boards.  You did insist the welsh re the best NH team.  

I am not whinging. I am complaining.

Get your words right TJ...

If the ref is confident enough to make the decision himself then he should.

Owens was commended for doing this several times last week.

You want the refs to be strong in their convictions and not afraid to make decisions.

Rugby is a very high scoring game. Its not like football in that respect. when they are close games like many of the ai's they would end up being draws in games like football or test cricket.

If you dont win by a lot- you can allways lose the game.

And i think people need to actually start understanding that and stop blaming the ref for marginal things, because people allways focus on one or two things- yet never ever focus on the other marginal things that went in there favour.

An awful decision by the ref. such a travesty when inaptitude is the basis of the result.

A sad day for rugby

sounds like a whinge to me

TJ wrote:

An awful decision by the ref. such a travesty when inaptitude is the basis of the result.

A sad day for rugby

 sounds like a whinge to me

That reads as a collection of statements to me. As was intended.

TJ wrote:Saint  you are ridiculous.  You claim I am anti welsh for pointing out the incessant welsh whinging about refs, you claim it doesn't happen - so I give you just a few examples of welsh whinging that disfigures these boards.  You did insist the welsh re the best NH team.  

It's your comments and anti-welsh chip that has long been ridiculous.... In fact, it's gone way beyond that point. You're anti-welsh for constatnly slating us for having an opinion, everyone comments on the ref but as soon as a Welsh poster does it you have a crying, whinge-fit which usually last for a few days. If you didn't have this chip on your shoulder you'd see that two WUM posters don't represent 'Wales' and you'd also see that they have every right to question a TMO decision because they're unsure of it, like I'm still unsure over the forward pass ruling myself. No I didn't, I probably said they have a good case to be deemed best in NH after their back-to-back championships. It's another discussion though so I'm not sure it's relevance on this WUM thread, the same thread from the same poster which appears every time after Wales lose. Where's the slating of this WUM poster TJ, or is it okay because it's slagging off Wales? I should have known!

you said it was a sad day for rugby- and now you are trying to come back with that being a statement.

yes ok its a statement but one that isn't factual and formed from sour grapes.

Basically its whinging


because the majority of the world do not see it as a sad day for rugby.

Wales lost because Australia were the better team

Nice to see the anti-Welsh brigade is out in force today though

Still bitter we won the 6N yet again or bitter that we won the Lions tour single handedly

Bullsbok wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Have asked this before but cant remember if got answered, in a case like this where the ref has made a mistake that in theory affected the result of the game will he reprimanded or should he be reprimanded by not getting to ref for a certain amount of time.

I dont think they're reprimanded publicly but i do believe they get demoted to less high profile games. Take Mr Poite for example who recently found himself in Romania i think ? after the AB , Bok game .

That said, I heard that Nigel Owen's next refereeing commitment after the All Blacks v Springboks in October was something like Aberavon v Cross Keys. I love it.

steffan show me one anti welsh post dude?

The worst thing is every Welshman I know apart from me, my father and my brother were cheering on Ireland last week yet every Irishman would have been cheering on the Aussies yesterday. Obviously all the English were as well but thats to be expected. Why the hell Welsh people were cheering on Ireland after all the abuse they gave Gatland and centre Jonathan Davies is beyond me

Gatland does not bring the Welsh management into disrepute, he unfortunately brings the whole game.

Having said that some of the AV coaches/managers/DoR are no better: Tigers please note.

I wouldn't want to be around Saint at the moment, the smell of day old fat on all them chips would be really off-putting. I wonder if he uses a lot of vinegar, it would explain all the sour posts he makes.

I think he has a list of standard diatribe that he just copies and pastes, all his posts sound the same. Same subject, same whinges, same chips.

He brings the name of "Saint" into disrepute, if you are a Northampton fan.

George Carlin wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Have asked this before but cant remember if got answered, in a case like this where the ref has made a mistake that in theory affected the result of the game will he reprimanded or should he be reprimanded by not getting to ref for a certain amount of time.

I dont think they're reprimanded publicly but i do believe they get demoted to less high profile games. Take Mr Poite for example who recently found himself in Romania i think ? after the AB , Bok game .

That said, I heard that Nigel Owen's next refereeing commitment after the All Blacks v Springboks in October was something like Aberavon v Cross Keys. I love it.

Great for the Welsh prem to have such a quality referee at a game... The players will gain masses of experience from that.

steffan as more than half the posters on here already told you- we normally root for Wales. as i certainly allways do v SH opposition.

So i have no idea what you are talking about.

And come on show the anti welsh comments.

One thing Wales can match the Aussies in is whinging when they lose! Maybe they should have a competition for that. Wales might actually beat a SH team then!

So we have a post where Gatland is bringing the game into disrepute where half the posts are also meaning about the refs decisions...pot...kettle anyone?

Steffan wrote:Wales lost because Australia were the better team

Nice to see the anti-Welsh brigade is out in force today though

Still bitter we won the 6N yet again or bitter that we won the Lions tour single handedly

Lol i think yesterday the Aussies proved Wales cant beat them singlehandedly even after 9 attempts

mystiroakey wrote:steffan show me one anti welsh post dude?

This thread, half the comments.
The thread post SA game.
Most threads after Wales lose a game.
All threads criticising Wales from 2012 AI's to the end of the Lions tour/now. In fact, there were loads of threads whinging about Wales winning games in the 2012 Six Nations.


Take your pick. I never agree with Steffan which you'll note if you analyse the Club forum but he has a point. As do you, because I know some were supporting Wales. I doubt you were though going by some of your past comments.

The Saint wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:steffan show me one anti welsh post dude?

This thread, half the comments.
The thread post SA game.
Most threads after Wales lose a game.
All threads criticising Wales from 2012 AI's to the end of the Lions tour/now. In fact, there were loads of threads whinging about Wales winning games in the 2012 Six Nations.


Take your pick. I never agree with Steffan which you'll note if you analyse the Club forum but he has a point. As do you, because I know some were supporting Wales. I doubt you were though going by some of your past comments.

could you care to show my comments that are anti welsh then.

or do you allways just make up this bs about other posters.

Advice-

Stop whinging and stop judging other posters by your very low standards