Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'something'

[Crimey]

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[socal1976]

Don't get me wrong you do need money to compete but there is a law of diminishing returns when you have 300 million pounds of footballers sitting on your bench and no continuity if you decide to use them. As an Arsenal fan we have had 8 years of experience in being short changed so I get the financial aspect. But United have the resources to field a better squad than what we are watching, I just don't buy that excuse.

[socal1976]

You seem to be completely clueless so i'll leave you to talk nonsense to someone else.

Please tell me more about poor United that can't afford to compete. Who won the title last year?

[Hammersmith harrier]

If we have the resources to buy, why haven't we and winning the title last year had very little to spending huge amounts of money, we bought two players for modest amounts. The fact one happened to be the best striker in the league helped but we do not have limitless resources, our team was built primarily around the manager, without Fergie we don't win the league last year or even three years ago.

[socal1976]

If we have the resources to buy, why haven't we and winning the title last year had very little to spending huge amounts of money, we bought two players for modest amounts. The fact one happened to be the best striker in the league helped but we do not have limitless resources, our team was built primarily around the manager, without Fergie we don't win the league last year or even three years ago.

Like I said I never questioned Fergie, in fact probably the best manager in the history of the game. I understand that Glazers leveraged their purchase of United. But explain, and I am being serious here, why exactly did the board agree to this takeover if they were going to be hamstrung with this kind of debt? I have some experience in this in a leverage buyout the Shareholders get a bigger payday, but the purchased company acquires a huge debt. Who sold it to these guys and how did the board agree to this? I am not being facetious I don't follow the finances of ManU that closely.

[socal1976]

And I did not say you had limitless resources, just said you had resources to compete and put a better team than the one we are witnessing out on the field.

[Champagne_Socialist]

United have loads of money, they put bids of 35 million for fabregas and the joing 30 million bid for fellani and baines, a team short of money doesn't go around spending 35 million on 1 player.

United have 2 new players this year (Fellani and Zaha) worth a combined £48 million pounds.

[SirJohnnyEnglish]

I understand that Glazers leveraged their purchase of United. But explain, and I am being serious here, why exactly did the board agree to this takeover if they were going to be hamstrung with this kind of debt? I have some experience in this in a leverage buyout the Shareholders get a bigger payday, but the purchased company acquires a huge debt. Who sold it to these guys and how did the board agree to this? I am not being facetious I don't follow the finances of ManU that closely.

Why would the board have to agree to anything? Its up to individual shareholders whether they sell their own shares.
Andersred and the Swissramble are good blogs to check out if you want to get a good look at Utds finances. Theres also a good Wiki page about the Glazers buyout.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glazer_ownership_of_Manchester_United#Acquisition_of_shares_and_gaining_control

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

United have loads of money, they put bids of 35 million for fabregas and the joing 30 million bid for fellani and baines, a team short of money doesn't go around spending 35 million on 1 player.

United have 2 new players this year (Fellani and Zaha) worth a combined £48 million pounds.

They bought Zaha last season

[socal1976]

United have loads of money, they put bids of 35 million for fabregas and the joing 30 million bid for fellani and baines, a team short of money doesn't go around spending 35 million on 1 player.

United have 2 new players this year (Fellani and Zaha) worth a combined £48 million pounds.

Exactly, Champagne I find this excuse of United doesn't have the money to be a bit specious considering the players they have bought, they are never a selling club they are always a buying club. They bought RVP, Zaha, and Fellaini the last two years. They have a huge turnover in terms of revenue and a huge payroll. Not to mention that their debt now is about half of what it was at its peak a few years ago while their revenues have grown rapidly in the same time period. (Swiss Ramble) United's current long term debt is a little less than their yearly revenues for one year. And we know that clubs of a similar size like Barca and Madrid have even larger debts. It still has never stopped them from buying and as you stated their are rumors about Fabregas and Baines that seem to have some merit, none of these guys come on the cheap.

[Hammersmith harrier]

How much of their debt do Barca and Madrid have to pay back, it's all well and good saying that they have bigger debts but they don't have to do anything about it.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Arsenal have not been paupers though.

Anyway, away from the agenda boys, we've got a weekend of football coming up.

Man United 1 v 1 Newcastle
Palace 1 v 1 Cardiff
Liverpool 4 v 0 West Ham
Saints 1 v 2 City
Stoke 0 v 2 Chelsea
West Brom 2 v 0 Norwich
Sunderland 1 v 2 Spurs
Fulham 1 v 1 Villa
Arsenal 2 v 1 Everton
Swansea 2 v 0 Hull

[Guest]

Man United 3 v 1 Newcastle
Palace 0 v 1 Cardiff
Liverpool 3 v 0 West Ham
Saints 1 v 3 City
Stoke 0 v 3 Chelsea
West Brom 1 v 1 Norwich
Sunderland 0 v 2 Spurs
Fulham 2 v 1 Villa
Arsenal 3 v 1 Everton
Swansea 3 v 1 Hull

[Fernando]

It could appear there could be more then trolling about the RVP Transfer Request story, Seems to be spreading into the media.

[Guest]

Any chance of a RVP return to the Arse?

[Fernando]

I doubt the fans would have him back but id expect Arsene would if possible but the difference is even if he has put in a request United won't let him leave and certainly not a PL side.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It could appear there could be more then trolling about the RVP Transfer Request story, Seems to be spreading into the media.

Because the media are the beacon of truth in the world!

Nothing in it for me

[socal1976]

Any chance of a RVP return to the Arse?

Frankly as with anything depends on the price tag. I wouldn't want him for a big price tag because he is old and injury prone. Arsene has never said a bad thing about him and has even recently said he still considers him a Gunner. If its RVP for 35 plus million, I say no. If it is RVP on the cheap then probably although you can't buy and RVP on the cheap. So chances are highly slim.

[socal1976]

Man United 0 v 1 Newcastle
Palace 1 v 1 Cardiff
Liverpool 3 v 0 West Ham
Saints 2 v 2 City
Stoke 1 v 3 Chelsea
West Brom 3 v 2 Norwich
Sunderland 1 v 0 Spurs
Fulham 1 v 1 Villa
Arsenal 1 v  0 Everton
Swansea 3 v 0 Hull

[Fernando]

It could appear there could be more then trolling about the RVP Transfer Request story, Seems to be spreading into the media.

Because the media are the beacon of truth in the world!

Nothing in it for me

Everyone knows that it. just seems rather odd to keep rearing up it's ugly head if nothing in it. As i stated United won't let him leave anyway even if was true or not.

[Ent]

United 1-2 Newcastle

No rvp/Rooney = loss

People slag of carrick but look at the state of us without him, beat £16 million we ever spent.

[socal1976]

United 1-2 Newcastle

No rvp/Rooney = loss

People slag of carrick but look at the state of us without him, beat £16 million we ever spent.

I forgot that I am changing my pick

[kingraf]

Wonder if the little boy inside van Persie is looking at the current Man U situation, thinking "This is why you don't let kids make life-changing decision.

[westisbest]

man utd 3 newcastle 2
palace 2 Cardiff 1
Liverpool 3 west ham 0
saints 1 man city 3
stoke 0 chelsea 4
wba 2 norwich 2
Sunderland 2 spurs 2
fulham 1 the mighty villa 3
arsenal 1 Everton 1
swansea 2 hull 1

[westisbest]

Having seen Suarez's goals v Norwich.

All 4 were top draw.
The best for me was the one where he chipped it over the norwich defender then just blasting it in.
Great goal.

[J.Benson II]

Do you understand where our debt came from? It had absolutely nothing to do with spending money on players and we have always spent within our means, you seem to be suggesting we can still compete with the money men in football, we cannot.

Well personally, I would rather United, Liverpool, or Arsenal win the league than City or Chelsea and the megabillionaire bond villains.

I think the rise of Chelsea and City were good for the league. It helped attract some more top stars to the EPL and increased the competition. Before Chelsea, the title race was just between United and Arsenal. And before City, it was mostly just United or Chelsea. The more competitive a league is, the more entertaining it becomes.

[Guest]

Be surprised if we can do anything at OT today, even without RVP or Rooney. We ain't a side than can really dictate a game or control it, especially away at somewhere like OT. Our record is appalling & although Everton won in midweek, can't see a repeat home loss for United. We just lost to an out of form Swansea, absolutely played us off the park & they had no strikers even playing. Of course, would love a win but I'm going for a close home win by the odd goal.

Man U 2-1 Newcastle

[Fernando]

Man Utd: De Gea, Rafael Da Silva, Evans, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Cleverley, Jones, Januzaj, van Persie, Hernandez. Subs: Ferdinand, Anderson, Lindegaard, Young, Welbeck, Valencia, Zaha.
Newcastle: Krul, Debuchy, Williamson, Coloccini, Santon, Cabaye, Tiote, Anita, Sissoko, Remy, Gouffran. Subs: Cisse, Ben Arfa, Yanga-Mbiwa, Gutierrez, Elliot, Shola Ameobi, Obertan.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Do you understand where our debt came from? It had absolutely nothing to do with spending money on players and we have always spent within our means, you seem to be suggesting we can still compete with the money men in football, we cannot.

Well personally, I would rather United, Liverpool, or Arsenal win the league than City or Chelsea and the megabillionaire bond villains.

I think the rise of Chelsea and City were good for the league. It helped attract some more top stars to the EPL and increased the competition. Before Chelsea, the title race was just between United and Arsenal. And before City, it was mostly just United or Chelsea. The more competitive a league is, the more entertaining it becomes.

I don't think clubs built on a billionaires money are ever a good thing, as much as I detest Liverpool they at least are a team with history and try and build on that. City and Chelsea will always struggle for respect because of that, I may be harsh on Arsenal but they are a team who spend within their means and understand the importance of a football club also being a business.

[J.Benson II]

Do you understand where our debt came from? It had absolutely nothing to do with spending money on players and we have always spent within our means, you seem to be suggesting we can still compete with the money men in football, we cannot.

Well personally, I would rather United, Liverpool, or Arsenal win the league than City or Chelsea and the megabillionaire bond villains.

I think the rise of Chelsea and City were good for the league. It helped attract some more top stars to the EPL and increased the competition. Before Chelsea, the title race was just between United and Arsenal. And before City, it was mostly just United or Chelsea. The more competitive a league is, the more entertaining it becomes.

I don't think clubs built on a billionaires money are ever a good thing, as much as I detest Liverpool they at least are a team with history and try and build on that. City and Chelsea will always struggle for respect because of that, I may be harsh on Arsenal but they are a team who spend within their means and understand the importance of a football club also being a business.

I also would rather see teams build a squad rather than just spend. However, I think the modern game its becoming increasingly difficult for lesser teams to build squads as whenever they attempt to do so, bigger teams just swoop in and capture their best players. It just becomes an endless cycle and the teams on top teams just stay on top while the progressing teams have to start from scratch.
You end up with every season just being a one or two horse race like in Spain.
The billionaires at least added extra competition and turned the tables on the established clubs by doing pretty much what the established teams had been doing for the previous years - buying the best players from progressing clubs.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd venture that Tottenham and Liverpool are the only two clubs who havent won the Premiership that will/could win it in the next 100 years. Football is a game won by businessmen in the long run, Spurs got into that group at the right time.

[kingraf]

eventually, bookies are going to catch on that this Utd team sucks, but until then, I'm going to fill my boots to the brim!

[Guest]

Still 0-0 after 55 mins. Man U been awful, we haven't got the quality to go on & do something though. NUFC more possession n shots than United @ OT...... 

[kingraf]

30 minutes left for Newcastle to make me some money at 11/2

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Elmander and Johnson both start.

I just can't fathom it

[Guest]

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[Crimey]

Elmander and Johnson both start.

I just can't fathom it

Johnson got a crucial goal against Liverpool, can't drop him after that...

[Guest]

I'd love it if we beat them, i'd, i'd, i'd love it i would. Cabaye u beauty. if we could hold on.....

ferguson to return ASAP  

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I can only guess at the erection Mysti has got right now as Zaha looks set to come on

[Crimey]

Liverpool XI: Mignolet, Flanagan, Sakho, Skrtel, Johnson, Allen, Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho, Suarez.
West Ham XI: Jaaskelainen, Demel, McCartney, Collins, Tomkins, Noble, Diame, Nolan, Downing, Jarvis, Maiga.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

To add some perspective to anything said by Liverpool fans today:

Last time West Ham won at Anfield the number one was She Loves You by a band called The Beatles

[Guest]

DO you reckon United may accept my FM résumé for when Moyes is sacked on monday?

Already got my answer lined up for when im asked why im the right man for the job. Easy I wont play Cleverley for a start

[Duty281]

Oops I was wrong! Don't think United will win the league now. I really thought they'd turned a corner when the stuffed Leverkusen, but they can't string any consistency together.

[Guest]

moyesie time, ridiculous.......hold on boys!!!!!!!

[Guest]

We cant string passes together let alone consistency haha

[mystiroakey]

Well done Pardew, Newcastle, Geordie's and John!

[Guest]

WHAT A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CABAYE U LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A RESULT

Back to back home defeats for Moyes, without even scoring!                         

[mystiroakey]

I can only guess at the erection Mysti has got right now as Zaha looks set to come on

Did he come on!!

how did he play

[Crimey]

Out of the title race, slipping away from top four. This is worse than I expected Moyes would do. I thought he'd struggle, but he's flopping completely. Calls for Ferguson to come back are going to get much louder.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

lol Utd

[Guest]

who's the 'wee' club now?????? NEWCASTLE, NEWCASTLE, NEWCASTLE    

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