Boxing Myths?

First topic message reminder :

Was reading about James Jeffries feats and found them very hard to believe.

Seem like the guy was more myth than man.

Stuff like he was super strong, run the 100 yard dash in 10.5 seconds, 6ft high jump, do his long runs with a deer on his back, dropped 100lbs in weight to fight Jack Johnson.

Now while some of this could be true it made me think of other myths in boxing which people believe.

But boxing is full of myths that take on a life of there own and then people believe them to be true.

What are examples of these?

Here are some that I can think of.

Willie Pep won a round without throwing a punch.

Buster douglas was a 42/1 underdog.

Dempsey did not want to fight Wills.

Ali took a pumpelling from Foreman on the ropes till the KO.

Ali had 5 minutes to recover from the Cooper knockdown to reaplace his glove

Valero's Conscience wrote:Manny Pacquiao is an 8 weight champion

Sorry guys, you moan and bitch about D4 and his antics then firmly invite him to froth his load over you know who with a pathetic little jibe that will only serve to fuel his fire.

Give it a rest

Post what i like thanks.

coxy0001 wrote:Sorry guys, you moan and bitch about D4 and his antics then firmly invite him to froth his load over you know who with a pathetic little jibe that will only serve to fuel his fire.

Give it a rest

Calm down dear!

I have posted 1 or 2 (literally) posts about D4 but that's it and don't hate him by any means so don't exaggerate things!

If it makes you feel better i'll even it out:

Mayweather is an ATG at Welterweight

Roberto Duran knocked out a horse?

I've read a book on him and from various sources, their stories differed and was inconclusive - from speaking to people who know about horses, they find this extremely unlikely, especially for a relatively small guy.

talkingpickle wrote:Post what i like thanks.

talkingpickle said on the sticky article:

Great idea to have just the 2 threads from Manny and Floyd news. Couldnt see any other option other than an outright ban on Manny and Floyd articles which would have been ridiculous.

You're merely adding to the problem you two.

I'm moving off this now, stop baiting D4

Valero's Conscience wrote:Manny Pacquiao is an 8 weight champion

WBC Flyweight Champion
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion
The Ring Featherweight Champion
WBC Super Featherweight Champion
WBC Lightweight Champion
The Ring Light-Welterweight Champion
WBO Welterweight Champion
WBC Light Middleweight Champion

Valero's Conscience wrote:Roberto Duran knocked out a horse?

I've read a book on him and from various sources, their stories differed and was inconclusive - from speaking to people who know about horses, they find this extremely unlikely, especially for a relatively small guy.

I've heard differing accounts of this one also, Valero.

One tale I heard was that a local, who knew horses inside out, told Duran that if he hit him behind the ear the horse would drop. Others claim it to be an out and out myth.

Speaking of Duran, I read somewhere that he didn't actually say ' No mas ' in the Leonard fight, though I can't for the life of me remember the alternative explanation.

coxy0001 wrote:

talkingpickle wrote:Post what i like thanks.

talkingpickle said on the sticky article:

Great idea to have just the 2 threads from Manny and Floyd news. Couldnt see any other option other than an outright ban on Manny and Floyd articles which would have been ridiculous.

You're merely adding to the problem you two.

I'm moving off this now, stop baiting D4

Hardly!

A smiley face as joke! Over reacting just slightly there.

Like you said lets move off this.

Speaking of Duran, I read somewhere that he didn't actually say ' No mas ' in the Leonard fight, though I can't for the life of me remember the alternative explanation.[/quote]

I believe it was something like "i don't want to fight with this clown" or something similar.

Tyson wrestled with the tigers

Valero's Conscience wrote:Speaking of Duran, I read somewhere that he didn't actually say ' No mas ' in the Leonard fight, though I can't for the life of me remember the alternative explanation.

I believe it was something like "i don't want to fight with this clown" or something similar.

Ha !

That sounds more like it, mate.

Valero's Conscience wrote:Speaking of Duran, I read somewhere that he didn't actually say ' No mas ' in the Leonard fight, though I can't for the life of me remember the alternative explanation.

I believe it was something like "i don't want to fight with this clown" or something similar.[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDYnO9gGwIQ

Ali practically went a full 15 rounds with Norton with a broken jaw.

Norton insists it was the last round he done it and this was made up by Dundee to turn him into a more legendary boxer. This does seem more plausible but who knows?

Thanks for that, D4.

Windy, I believe (like one or two others have already stated) that Duran actually said "I don't want to fight this clown anymore" to start with. I've seen and read various times that the 'No Mas' business came from referee Meyran, talking to Duran in their native language, asking Duran the question "No mas? No mas?" To which Duran eventually said "no mas" himself in what was nothing more than a mutter.

A mate was telling me his office talk the other day centred around how hard it is to knock out a downie. Myth or real?

Valero's Conscience wrote:Ali practically went a full 15 rounds with Norton with a broken jaw.

Norton insists it was the last round he done it and this was made up by Dundee to turn him into a more legendary boxer. This does seem more plausible but who knows?

Arthur Abraham fought Miranda with a broken jaw for a while, think it got broke in the first half of the fight. Its not impossible for Ali to do the same.

Michaels, Sean wrote:A mate was telling me his office talk the other day centred around how hard it is to knock out a downie. Myth or real?

Going straight to hell lol.

88Chris05 wrote:Windy, I believe (like one or two others have already stated) that Duran actually said "I don't want to fight this clown anymore" to start with. I've seen and read various times that the 'No Mas' business came from referee Meyran, talking to Duran in their native language, asking Duran the question "No mas? No mas?" To which Duran eventually said "no mas" himself in what was nothing more than a mutter.

Thanks, Chris.

Valero's Conscience wrote:Ali practically went a full 15 rounds with Norton with a broken jaw.

Norton insists it was the last round he done it and this was made up by Dundee to turn him into a more legendary boxer. This does seem more plausible but who knows?

It was a 12 round fight. I read he broke it in the 2nd round. Seeing as how his face was distorted and puffy I reckon it must have been true.

bellchees wrote:

Valero's Conscience wrote:Ali practically went a full 15 rounds with Norton with a broken jaw.

Norton insists it was the last round he done it and this was made up by Dundee to turn him into a more legendary boxer. This does seem more plausible but who knows?

Arthur Abraham fought Miranda with a broken jaw for a while, think it got broke in the first half of the fight. Its not impossible for Ali to do the same.

I yeah I know, think Abraham had it broken in the 4th or 5th I think. It just as Norton actually insists he did it in the last round (says in interview on Facing Ali) and he comes across fairly honest and could believe Dundee doing something like that, I think its fairly believable.

Ps to Azania - cheers for clarifying it was a 12 round fight.

There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

Yeah, heard this one a couple of times before, MTWT. Tends to do the rounds now and then, but I'm yet to see anything concrete which suggests it's anything other than an old wives' tale and hear-say.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I heard something similar, under the name Rocky Mack.. i think.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I believe (haven't checked, going by memory), that he had a losing amateur fight while professional.

Thanks Chris/Pickle/Scott. Interesting answers. Good thread this one.

D4thincarnation wrote:

rowley wrote:D4 it is something of a myth because it suggests all casinos were offering these odds when the truth is most did not have a line on a Tyson victory. However the Mirage did genuinely offer these odds, although this was a bit of a publicity stunt it remains you could have gone to the Mirage and got a bet on Douglas at 42-1, although I don't think they had many takers, if any.

A lot of Douglas' camp claim to have bet on him having seen how good he looked in camp but whether this is actually the case or guys trying to look wise after the event is open to debate

Someone asked for a bet on Tyson at Mirage and they gave him odds of 1/38 and he lost. The 42/1 story probably came from that.

Who did? Other members can provide sources, can you?

Felix Trinidad had tempered hand wraps.

I think the Marciano one was that he lost a pro fight while fighting under a different name and this was while he was still an amateur.

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

rowley wrote:D4 it is something of a myth because it suggests all casinos were offering these odds when the truth is most did not have a line on a Tyson victory. However the Mirage did genuinely offer these odds, although this was a bit of a publicity stunt it remains you could have gone to the Mirage and got a bet on Douglas at 42-1, although I don't think they had many takers, if any.

A lot of Douglas' camp claim to have bet on him having seen how good he looked in camp but whether this is actually the case or guys trying to look wise after the event is open to debate

Someone asked for a bet on Tyson at Mirage and they gave him odds of 1/38 and he lost. The 42/1 story probably came from that.

Who did? Other members can provide sources, can you?

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/infosport5.cfm

Seems the odds might have been forced up to 42/1 but no one betted it.

38/1 was the odd someone got on the bet with Douglas

Scottrf wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I believe (haven't checked, going by memory), that he had a losing amateur fight while professional.

Interesting one that.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I believe (haven't checked, going by memory), that he had a losing amateur fight while professional.

Interesting one that.

Not sure if I'm right though

Here is an article on it, bit long for me atm.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/Rocky-Marciano.php

D4

This proves that they did offer 42/1 on Buster

Scottrf wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I believe (haven't checked, going by memory), that he had a losing amateur fight while professional.

Interesting one that.

Not sure if I'm right though

Here is an article on it, bit long for me atm.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/Rocky-Marciano.php

Nice little article there and has it well covered, would recommend a little read for anyone interested in the matter and had no idea like myself. I actually have the Rocky Marciano biography (Everett M. Skehan) which is used as one of the sources for this piece and have had it for years, think it's maybe about time i read it.

Valero's Conscience wrote:Speaking of Duran, I read somewhere that he didn't actually say ' No mas ' in the Leonard fight, though I can't for the life of me remember the alternative explanation.

I believe it was something like "i don't want to fight with this clown" or something similar.[/quote]

No quiero pelear con este payaso

These were Durans exact words. Literally translates as "I do not want to fight with this clown".

The referee responded to this by using the I famous "no mas" to question Duran about his actions.

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/9912/two.htm

Don't mention nostalgia

Scottrf wrote:Don't mention nostalgia

It's not what it used to be.

HumanWindmill wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Don't mention nostalgia

It's not what it used to be.

This is like deja vu all over again.

Union Cane wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Don't mention nostalgia

It's not what it used to be.

This is like deja vu all over again.

I've heard that somewhere before.

Union Cane wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Don't mention nostalgia

It's not what it used to be.

This is like deja vu all over again.

Don't use phrases if you don't know what they mean, and vice versa.

Scottrf wrote:

Union Cane wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Don't mention nostalgia

It's not what it used to be.

This is like deja vu all over again.

Don't use phrases if you don't know what they mean, and vice versa.

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.

Scottrf wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:There used to be a story that Marciano allegedly lost a fight early in his career that his management managed to bury somehow.

I'm sure I read that this was exposed as a myth as well but can't remember the details. Does anyone know about this?

I believe (haven't checked, going by memory), that he had a losing amateur fight while professional.

Interesting one that.

Not sure if I'm right though

Here is an article on it, bit long for me atm.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/Rocky-Marciano.php

I remember having read of this particular myth too. Not sure how true it is though.

[quote="Scottrf"]

Union Cane wrote:Don't use phrases if you don't know what they mean, and vice versa.

No danger of me doing that, Scott - I don't make mistakes. I thought I had once, but I was mistaken.

That's just a myth, Chris.

I was, at one time, convinced that I was suffering from schizophrenia. I'm not so sure, now. In fact, I'm in two minds about it.

I used to be a werewolf etc...

Union Cane wrote:I used to be a werewolf etc...

Wasn't there an amateur boxer who was an werewolf?

HumanWindmill wrote:That's just a myth, Chris.

I was, at one time, convinced that I was suffering from schizophrenia. I'm not so sure, now. In fact, I'm in two minds about it.

I thought I was suffering from schizophrenia at one stage, too. Horrible, isn't it? I was beside myself.