Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by MontysMerkin Tue 03 Dec 2013, 14:01

First topic message reminder :

That's why these pursuits should be undertaken in videogames and not in real life. Real life has a nasty habit of finding you out to be the hopeless loser you don't think you are.

by mystiroakey Tue 17 Dec 2013, 12:33

By the way I am a palace fan so I am not happy about your comments in regArds to stoke. We now have pullis and it grinds on me, I just hope he has learnt from why he was sacked. He needs to play a better brand of football. Time will tell.

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 12:38

He wont change. He is a very stubborn manager. He has as good a chance as anyone in keeping you up, and that seems to be the reason he was brought in. Luckily for you HArry is at QPR, though he may still try and flog him some reserves for stupid money. 19mil paid on Crouch and Palacios from his mate Harry. But the football will be keep it tight and nick a goal. He will talk about Chamakh being Triffic and say barry Banan works aaard. His stock phrases. I use those as players i know play for palace, they may be neither aaard workers or triffic. If your lucky he may headbut your striker while naked...and could get you to the cup final. But its all about the here and know, and no real forward planning with Tone.

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 12:45

Though even after all the above, there are still a lot of Stoke Fans disappointed he was sacked. Though this may just have been because he was replaced by Mark Hughes. He got involved in the surrounding area and a local charity. He played a lot of stoke being a deprived very working class area, that like their football hard and physical, and a lot of fans lapped it up.

by mystiroakey Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:05

I honestly think he sacked for style over substance.

Palace have allways had a philosophy for bringing on attacking players, even though we are a low level team we have never been a defensive styled outfit. So it's tough to like anything other than the results he may bring us. But then is fans are fickle on the whole. Only once you cement a place in the prem will you get fans whinging about the way the side plays.

by Doc Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:09

I think you have to be fair to Pullis and say that the job he did at Stoke was fantastic. Not only did he get them a £90m windfall in gaining promotion to the prem, but he built a side in such a way that ensured the Pullis formula worked every season and kept them in the prem. The Stoke City he built ended up as a permamnent fixture in the top league and not a team to be built on bouncy principles. They are still there but under new management, and the new manager has got them playing a different brand of football but are they higher in the league? They will never be a top 6 club, because they will never attract massive ownership and be a fashion item. They have a great chairman in Coates but I wonder if he's wishing that Pullis was still around. If Stoke fall it will be the chairmans fault and those fans who thought they deserved a madrid type of football. Sorry but its Stoke City who will never be able to attract top players so will never be able to play like Madrid. However they had a formula that guaranteed riches each year under Pullis and a team that progressed each summer. be careful what you wish for.

by mystiroakey Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:13

Pullis did very well. Stoke could well go down trying to be a 'better' footballing side.

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:25

He was sacked because last season they regressed. The football became worse, and he started falling out with the players, and the board. I have not heard any fans say they want to play like Real MAdrid, but there was grumblings from some, that they wanted to play a bit better. Though at their best they had 2 real wingers and 2 strikers and played quick direct football, this was the year they made the cup final. But he fell out with Penant, and Etherington started getting slow, and where never really replaced, thats when they really started struggling in comparison. But season tickets where very slow when initially on offer, and i think the club had to act.

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:26

I think if he had stayed they would have gone down this year anyway. All managers have a shelf life.

by raycastleunited Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:35

Bringing in Hughes to replace Pulis was one of the most baffling moves of the year.

From my experience as a QPR fan I can only see Hughes taking Stoke down. On the other hand I admire Pulis for his honest approach and success at Stoke. When they went up they were a pretty average team. They finished 2nd and I remember QPR demolished them at Loftus Road. But Pulis taught them to be aggressive, passionate, disciplined and play the percentages.

He may have established Stoke in the Premiership by playing ugly, but he was definitely improving the quality in the squad every season. Players like Charlie Adam aren't exactly long ball merchants and he was moving the style of play away from the Rory Delap era... the team was in transition last season, I think he should have been given the time to see it through.

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 13:44

Brutal weather in the US North-East.
Haven't heard from 1grumpygolfer, Shotrock or Plunky recently - hope you're all OK.
"Smoke on the water" here - beautiful sight!

by Doc Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:03

Stoke City in my eyes are a small club and they need a manager who can build them and make them develop and get better every summer. Stoke are another Wigan, a small team who got themselves promoted and managed to stay there until they changed the manager. Small clubs who dont have huge cash have to continually improve naturally and once Wigan changed manager Wigan got relegated and it could be that Stoke will see the same thing happen. Small clubs demand big managers to do the business and sometimes its not pretty to watch but effective and brings in the cash. Blackburn sack big Sam and go into freefall and still not able to climb out. Nobody likes Sam but everyone respects him for what he did for Bolton (Another team relegated quickly)

I'm a Leeds utd fan and been jarred off for 8-years under Ken Bates but now under new ownership we may see a revival, but maybe not this season. West Brom built their business on bouncing/yo-yoing up and down. They now feel safe as Stoke but as soon as the jitters set in they sack the manager. I repeat, be careful what you wish for. Palace are a safer bet than Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom or Cardiff under Pullis. For fast, exiting, expansive, free flowing football, make sure you have a rich owner a huge fan base with multi-million pound sponsorship deals and great players. Otherwise get into the trenches and fight for survival <ok>

by raycastleunited Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:17

Yes, but sadly rich owner is not a guarantee of success. Just ask Ecclestone, Briatore, Venky, etc.

Its amazing how Jack Walker bought Blackburn the title in the 90s with an investment that would barely keep you afloat in the championship today.

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:20

It's not just money, it's a combination of money and manager.

Pompey went in to freefall as soon as 'Arry left for Spurs, but you can bet we'd never have got relegated if he and his players had stayed together. 'Course, it was unsustainable and now we're reaping what he/they sewed.

Looks to be a potentially toxic situation going on in Cardiff and one wonders whether Mackay might not be tempted to escape, perhaps by WBA. Would think Cardiff would be goners without Mackay, pretty much a team full of Championship players, a bit like Norwich under Lambert. Great credit to Hughton for keeping the Canaries chirping and you'd think same credit should be due to Hughes if he keeps Stoke afloat.

Most interesting manager/owner dynamic right now is at Upton Park . . . . . .

by MontysMerkin Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:24

kwinigolfer wrote:Brutal weather in the US North-East.
Haven't heard from 1grumpygolfer, Shotrock or Plunky recently - hope you're all OK.
"Smoke on the water" here - beautiful sight!

Is that usual this time of year Kwini?
It's unseasonably mild here - 12 degrees again today. Only had one proper frost here this year and don't think the temp greens had been used yet! Still got apples and pears on trees in the garden!

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:32

In Comparison though blackburn where paying stupid money at the time. Shearer was a british transfer record at 3.3m, players were going for a few hundred grand, and good players around a million at that time. I know FFP is meant to be a good thing,but its going to stop teams being bankrolled to join the big boys, as if you can spend wheat you make, the champions league teams will always have an advantage, and therefore things will never change.

And Stoke City are not a small club, if you want to break it into groupings of Small, Mid Big teams, they are in the middle, a mid sized club with a very good history, one of the founder members of the football league and producer of one of Englands great players. But there are a lot more smaller clubs in football league!

Cardiff are seemingly falling apart, which is good.

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:36

-10F this morrning Monty, very cold for mid-December - but the guys in New York and Pennsylvania probably have a ton more snow than we do, as well as the cold. Only about six inches on the ground here.

ben,
Accrington were also Founder Members of the Football League . . . . .

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:38

accrington Stanley....who are they?

by Plunky Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:39

kwinigolfer wrote:Brutal weather in the US North-East.
Haven't heard from 1grumpygolfer, Shotrock or Plunky recently - hope you're all OK.
"Smoke on the water" here - beautiful sight!

Hi Kwini !
All good here thanks -- except that it's been bloody cold and Bethpage is closed. I've been really busy at work recently, so golf has taken a back seat. And now that work has eased off a bit I realise that I have Christmas cards to write, mince pies and Christmas cake to bake and not a lot of time left ! Where are Santa's elves when you need them ?! Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread - Page 6 3513163098

Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread - Page 6 3513163098

by raycastleunited Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:40

beninho wrote:accrington Stanley....who are they?

Exachtly!

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:46

ben,
My point exactly!

Plunks,
Send me some of your brandy butter! Crosse & Blackwell's doesn't hack it.
Keep warm,

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 14:53

i knew if i lob one up, it will be knocked out the park!

by 1GrumpyGolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 15:59

raycastleunited wrote:
beninho wrote:accrington Stanley....who are they?

Exachtly!

'Ere, gimme sum.

by 1GrumpyGolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 16:04

kwinigolfer wrote:Brutal weather in the US North-East.
Haven't heard from 1grumpygolfer, Shotrock or Plunky recently - hope you're all OK.
"Smoke on the water" here - beautiful sight!

Thanks Kwini, not as cold as you by the sound of it. Averaging low to mid teens at the moment, that's about -10 in 606 money, and amazingly we got exactly the amount of snow the weather folks said we would at the weekend. Usual service resumed and they cocked it right up this morning. More snow expected today but it will get warmer by the end of the week, up into the 50s on Sunday; break out the clubs it's time to go golfing.

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 16:25

Good to hear Grumps,
Yup, Friday's supposed to be a mess here, then back in the icebox for next week. At this time of year I keep all my beer in the garage which gets cooler than the fridge, first burst bottle of the season this morning!

by beninho Tue 17 Dec 2013, 16:54

So you boys in us of a. If I plan a trip to nj/ NYC in April what's the weather usually like and is golf usually on the agenda at that time of year?

by kwinigolfer Tue 17 Dec 2013, 17:23

ben,
April in NY/NJ very similar to GB, tho highs will be higher and lows could be lower. Overall, a nice time to go, and 95% chance of good golfing weather.
Further north than New York City the risks get larger, mainly because the snowmelt saturates courses if there is heavy March snow.

by Plunky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:17

Yep, we generally play a lot of golf in April. Only problem for us is that some of the courses close for the winter and don't reopen until late April, so if you get a particularly nice weekend all the fair-weather golfers show up and it gets a bit crowded.

by incontinentia Wed 18 Dec 2013, 23:30

Have any of you folks done any 3-D printing yet? Its supposed to be the next big thing. Pretty soon people will be able to make almost anything with these printers, even firearms. Already being tipped as a potentially world-changing piece of technology.

by beninho Thu 19 Dec 2013, 07:49

Good to see spurs lose. From reports Tim Sherwood doesn't seem like a nice guy. And his coaching plan was to play 442 two wingers with a big man and little man up front and high tempo direct play. Very forward thinking.

by MustPuttBetter Thu 19 Dec 2013, 10:44

incontinentia wrote:Have any of you folks done any 3-D printing yet? Its supposed to be the next big thing. Pretty soon people will be able to make almost anything with these printers, even firearms. Already being tipped as a potentially world-changing piece of technology.

Err, what??!

by beninho Thu 19 Dec 2013, 12:15

I dont fully understand it, but you can already produce a 3d printer gun. Have yet to get my head round it all. But it can be done.

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 12:24

beninho wrote:I dont fully understand it, but you can already produce a 3d printer gun. Have yet to get my head round it all. But it can be done.

They have printed a gun. It fired once. Then fell to pieces. The guys doing the test said you'd have to be mad to hold it while firing as it was so dangerous. They have printed a metal version that is supposed to be a lot better but as you can buy guns in your local supermarket in the US and metal 3d printing is in infancy and very expensive, I don't think you should worry too much.
Read some more here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/25/first_3dprinted_rifles_barrel_splits_after_single_shot/

by Roller_Coaster Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:19

This might be my "that's it I'm getting old I don't understand this new fangled technology" moment but 3d printing certainly sounds whacky! Whatever next? A horseless carriage you say? What? Madness!

Heard that F1 cars have 3d printed parts already. Factory designs, makes and tests then E:Mails the spec to the team who have a printer and raw materials and bosh, car part comes out and saves on shipping/time. Tolerances are obviously tight enough and given the spend on F1 must be cheap enough for them.

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:22

Tell me about 3d printing when it can print the horse and the carriage..

Until then, you cant beat a hand made carriage. Wink

by Doc Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:25

So it took the jury 90-minutes to find the 2 muslim soldiers of alah, guilty of the murder of the young drummer. Surely the 90-minutes must have been for a lunch break and a quick nap, because what was to review/ deliberate about the evidence, and why did we have to have a trial in the first place.

Seen on CCTV car driven by 1) drives straight into the young soldier and breaks his back. Then dragged uncocious into the middle of the road and butchered in front of cameras and witnesses. Then witnessed on tv trying to stab and hack policemen.

How do you plead: Not guilty milud???

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:35

They pleaded guilty did they not? They were fully aware of what they were doing and are prepared to take the consequences. Think the deliberation was probably more about the attempted murder of a policeman, of which they were found not guilty.

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:38

Has anyone ever been on a Jury?

I would love to get on an interesting one

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 13:41

My mrs was. Very boring for ages. lots of hanging about. She wasn't fussed.

by Doc Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:02

Monty they pleaded not guilty to all charges. One charge was thrown out and that was attempted muder of police, and this was changed to attempted manslaughter.

by beninho Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:05

The guy they killed was in normal clothes i believe, did they now he was a soldier, or was it just pot luck, as they attacked someone near the barracks?

If they had pleaded guilty, then id guess it would not have got this far?

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:06

How can you attempt manslaughter?

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:06

Didnt he have a help the heroes t shirt on?

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:28

Doc wrote:Monty they pleaded not guilty to all charges. One charge was thrown out and that was attempted muder of police, and this was changed to attempted manslaughter.

I believe they wanted to plead guilty as they were at war, but weren't allowed, so pleaded not guilty of what they allowed to be charged of. If you see what I mean!

by Doc Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:48

Guys I'll try and clear this up for all if I may.

1) The young drummer was wearing a help the heroes fleece and was carrying a camaflaged rucksack. = Soldier and he was also heading towards the barracks 100-yards away.
2) They pleaded not guilty as they saw the young drummer as a combat target in a time of war and in a war zone as a legitimate target. Hence pleading not guilty as they were soldiers of alah.
3) Attempted manslaughter is the charge as they say they were trying to protect themselves from being shot. The difference between the original charge of attempting to murder a policeman, is that the police say they shot the 2 guys to protect themselves from being stabbed to death.

A complete waste of money the whole thing as even the most liberal liberal (Mac) would surley see these 2 as guilty as charged, no need for a trail.

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 14:54

Everyone alive needs a trial. But the police should have just shot them dead on site

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:03

You couldn't do that, they'd be martyrs. If you take the moral high ground it is better to have a trail (trial I reckon) and lay out the whole thing out transparently so there can be no room for others to try and use their plight for their own ends. It is not about being liberal, it is about justice (which we pride ourselves in).

by golfermartin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:09

That's exactly what they wanted. They tried to "commit suicide by police". They will have a pretty uncomfortable time in prison that's for sure.

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:31

So there were hoping for 100 fit virgins in heaven. Well if that's the case the only conclusion I can give is not guilty by insanity. There should go to a mental care facility.

by mystiroakey Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:33

By the way. On the topic if virgins.

They are overrated. Experience is the way forward

by MontysMerkin Thu 19 Dec 2013, 15:34

Anyone skiing/snowboarding this year? Alps look nice n snowy...

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