Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by MontysMerkin Tue 03 Dec 2013, 14:01

First topic message reminder :

That's why these pursuits should be undertaken in videogames and not in real life. Real life has a nasty habit of finding you out to be the hopeless loser you don't think you are.

by super_realist Sat 28 Dec 2013, 13:43

I've never eaten haggis actually and never will.

by mystiroakey Sat 28 Dec 2013, 13:50

Sounds like you won't do much. Live a little

by super_realist Sat 28 Dec 2013, 13:58

mystiroakey wrote:Sounds like you won't do much. Live a little

I'd be physically sick if I had to eat haggis.

by mystiroakey Sat 28 Dec 2013, 14:31

No you wouldn't..

by super_realist Sat 28 Dec 2013, 15:03

mystiroakey wrote:No you wouldn't..

I would, I can't eat anything of that consistency. Instant vomit. vomit

by mystiroakey Sat 28 Dec 2013, 15:50

ok fair enough SR.

But by the way it isnt that bad- I am sure the bog standard stuff is. But i have had some posh stuff and it wasnt bad.

Better than faggots anyway!! that my dad used to eat- YUK!!

by BlueCoverman Sat 28 Dec 2013, 20:29

I was persuaded to attend a 'Burns Night' dinner a couple of years ago and was not particularly looking forward to my first taste of haggis. However, I have to say it was quite tasty and that was without smothering it in whisky which I can't stand!

by Davie Sat 28 Dec 2013, 23:19

super_realist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:No you wouldn't..

I would, I can't eat anything of that consistency. Instant vomit.

I don't see the problem .. what is the consistency that you are talking about? I'm a bit of a picky eater but I tried haggis and loved it. I've heard native jocks saying it needs to be cooked right which I quite understand, but as I see it, a BAD consistency of haggis is when it it too dry and just tastes of oatmeal .. maybe not very pleasant but certainly not vomit inducing. A decent haggis needs to be moist (and if it is on the dry side, just add more whisky) - but the consistency is no worse than any other badly or well cooked meal. I think some people just gag because they know what's in it - not how it tastes

I'm now getting a very clear picture of how insular super really is. Wouldn't watch TV programs because he thinks he doesn't like the person in it based on previous experience; wouldn't eat food because he knows what's in it rather than how it actually tastes

by Shotrock Sun 29 Dec 2013, 00:34

Had some Haggis this past Spring in Dornoch. Tasty stuff. (For those of like daring mind, try Scrapple if ever in or around Southeastern Pennsylvania.)

I will say this Super, if you don't want to challenge any preconceptions or stereotypes with actual experiences or increased knowledge of events then the livin' is easy. Not my cup of tea mind you, but you sure would fit in well with many of the uber-conservative Yanks I know!

by super_realist Sun 29 Dec 2013, 08:08

Shotrock wrote:Had some Haggis this past Spring in Dornoch. Tasty stuff. (For those of like daring mind, try Scrapple if ever in or around Southeastern Pennsylvania.)

I will say this Super, if you don't want to challenge any preconceptions or stereotypes with actual experiences or increased knowledge of events then the livin' is easy. Not my cup of tea mind you, but you sure would fit in well with many of the uber-conservative Yanks I know!

Steady on SR, just because I don't want to waste an hour on John Terry or indulge in a feast of lips and bumhole doesn't mean I'm an intolerant, right wing, tea party type.
I can't eat anything with that consistency, it's a fact, not a lack of adventurism.

by barragan Sun 29 Dec 2013, 08:21

Mmmm haggissss
Lucky enough to have grown up trying Cockburn of Dingwall's Haggis. Absolutely the best I've had anywhere, just melts in your mouth.. Scotland's first Haggis-maker champion apparently. Would never drown it in whisky though. A wee whisky sauce goes well with cheaper supermarket haggis's.

by mystiroakey Sun 29 Dec 2013, 09:07

I am sure every person (bar the odd nutty veggie that thinks fish grow out of the ground) that slates haggis has eaten sausages or chicken nuggets which on the whole are made from lower quality animal parts..

by kwinigolfer Sun 29 Dec 2013, 22:40

Sounds like Schumacher's in a bit of bother . . . . . . .

by McLaren Mon 30 Dec 2013, 08:11

Doesn't sound good. Delay in press conference can't be a good thing.

by super_realist Mon 30 Dec 2013, 09:21

McLaren wrote:Doesn't sound good. Delay in press conference can't be a good thing.

Not good news at all. Serious head injuries when you are already wearing a helmet can never be a good thing.

There's a bloody good documentary about top American snowboarder (Kevin Pearce, The Crash Reel) who suffered a head injury whilst training for the Olympics. Incredible he survived at all but will never be 100% again.

by McLaren Mon 30 Dec 2013, 10:22

I have to say the fighting for his life headlines seem a bit misleading. Surely it is more a case of how badly brain damaged he could end up?

by super_realist Mon 30 Dec 2013, 10:34

McLaren wrote:I have to say the fighting for his life headlines seem a bit misleading. Surely it is more a case of how badly brain damaged he could end up?

Precisely Mac.

Seems a pretty serious injury.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 30 Dec 2013, 11:20

Sounds like a boxer-type injury. Bang on head, internal bleed not picked up immediately, swelling on brain (cavitation if he's really unlucky) and an op plus induced coma to see what sort of recovery he might make. Could be really nasty but he might come through it relatively well. Good job he was wearing a helmet though.

by kwinigolfer Mon 30 Dec 2013, 12:23

s_r,
We've talked about Kevin Pearce a bit on here.
Was probably the best winter sports athlete around with Ireland citizenship.
His Dad's company make beautiful glassware and their restaurant is as fun to visit as most fine dining places in Northern New England.

by super_realist Mon 30 Dec 2013, 12:38

kwinigolfer wrote:s_r,
We've talked about Kevin Pearce a bit on here.
Was probably the best winter sports athlete around with Ireland citizenship.
His Dad's company make beautiful glassware and their restaurant is as fun to visit as most fine dining places in Northern New England.

Seems a great guy too, and much more humble and decent than his nemesis, the ghastly Shaun White.

I never normally wear a helmet at all when snowboarding. Just don't like them. Maybe look into one for the next trip though.

by pedro Mon 30 Dec 2013, 20:53

MontysMerkin wrote:Yeah we've been to meribel for the last few years and it's pretty good. Lots of good runs. I'm the only snowboarder left now so I need to go to places I've been before or the buggers clear off and leave me putting my board on!..

Schumi won't be bothering you in Meribel...
Wear a helmet Monty, and don't do anything stupid.

by beninho Tue 31 Dec 2013, 09:38

I don't understand why anyone would go Skiing and not wear a helmet. Its only a few years back that one of the Richardson (?) sisters died after a bang on the head, and i dont think she was wearing a helmet. Its like people on bikes, these people must be really quite stupid. I cannot think of one reason why someone would not wear a helmet.

by super_realist Tue 31 Dec 2013, 10:54

beninho wrote:I don't understand why anyone would go Skiing and not wear a helmet. Its only a few years back that one of the Richardson (?) sisters died after a bang on the head, and i dont think she was wearing a helmet. Its like people on bikes, these people must be really quite stupid. I cannot think of one reason why someone would not wear a helmet.

Do you wear a helmet when playing golf? After all you could get hit on the head.

Your head, although considerably more valuable than your limbs is actually very unlikely to be damaged in the act of skiing or snowboarding. Whilst I realise I could hit my head at any time by catching an edge or hitting a rock, I'm far more likely to do knees, , back, ankles, wrists, shoulders etc and I don't wear protection for those either

I don't wear one because I don't like the bulbous feeling of wearing one. These days I ride pretty much within my limits although very quickly, I do go off piste a lot, but the major risk is not hitting my head, but being involved in an avalanche, been close to that a couple of times.

It might seems irresponsible, stupid and arrogant, but I'm more experienced than Schumacher or Richardson (who died on a beginner slope) and whilst accidents happen (hence them being called accidents) they are pretty rare.
I've seen some horrific accidents on slopes from snapped legs to dislocated hips, I'd be far more concerned about those.

Saying all that though, I may take a look at the situation this year when I arrive in resort depending on the amount of snow around. We shall see.

by mystiroakey Tue 31 Dec 2013, 10:56

its like bareback sex.

slightly more enjoyable but slightly more risky.

by beninho Tue 31 Dec 2013, 11:27

Wearing a helmet for Golf and for Skiing are not really comparable, as for one, i dont think that anyone makes golf specific helmets. While it is something more often then not used in skiing.

Though you can justify it as much as you want, and i really couldnt care whether you or anyone wears one, apart from if it was a close friend of family. It just seems a bit foolish not to when everyone is aware of the dangers involved. But if the bullbous feeling is more important to safety, thats your call, and in all likelihood you will be fine.

Bareback is better, but you do have to carry out a risk assesment first. And if someone is carrying an "injury" already then you get the welly boots on!

by mystiroakey Tue 31 Dec 2013, 11:29

To true Ben.

BUt how is it possible to carry out a risk assessment when you are 10 beers and 4 whisky chasers in.

by beninho Tue 31 Dec 2013, 11:42

If im 10 beers and 4 whiskeys in i am past performing anyway! Ill be going back to the wife...

Though my judgement was very impaired in my youth after only a few beers, i am sure we have all pulled some wrong uns??!!

by mystiroakey Tue 31 Dec 2013, 11:47

Yes ye comment was based on when i was a fit young lad that could handle a drink and didnt mind pulling the odd pig

These days I am back home by 10 and have a 10 week hang over

by beninho Tue 31 Dec 2013, 12:02

i was thinking about those days when i was reading the above posts regarding haggis, I have never had it, but i am sure i have eaten a lot worse...

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 31 Dec 2013, 17:31

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I don't understand why anyone would go Skiing and not wear a helmet. Its only a few years back that one of the Richardson (?) sisters died after a bang on the head, and i dont think she was wearing a helmet. Its like people on bikes, these people must be really quite stupid. I cannot think of one reason why someone would not wear a helmet.

Do you wear a helmet when playing golf? After all you could get hit on the head.

Your head, although considerably more valuable than your limbs is actually very unlikely to be damaged in the act of skiing or snowboarding. Whilst I realise I could hit my head at any time by catching an edge or hitting a rock, I'm far more likely to do knees, , back, ankles, wrists, shoulders etc and I don't wear protection for those either

I don't wear one because I don't like the bulbous feeling of wearing one. These days I ride pretty much within my limits although very quickly, I do go off piste a lot, but the major risk is not hitting my head, but being involved in an avalanche, been close to that a couple of times.

It might seems irresponsible, stupid and arrogant, but I'm more experienced than Schumacher or Richardson (who died on a beginner slope) and whilst accidents happen (hence them being called accidents) they are pretty rare.
I've seen some horrific accidents on slopes from snapped legs to dislocated hips, I'd be far more concerned about those.

Saying all that though, I may take a look at the situation this year when I arrive in resort depending on the amount of snow around. We shall see.

You'd hardly be able to ski at all wearing significant protection for knees, ankles, back etc etc though would you? Up to you I guess, based on your (hopefully) realistic appraisal of your own skill and the conditions. Personally, it's a no-brainer (no pun intended) to me - mangle your knee? At least you can pretty much repair one of those. Scramble your brain? Lap of the Gods stuff. Wear a crash hat. Schumacher was many things but stupid he was not. He was an experienced skier and he was wearing one.

by incontinentia Tue 31 Dec 2013, 20:05

Happy new year folks Bubbly

by McLaren Tue 31 Dec 2013, 23:59

Pretty ridiculous to claim you are a more experienced skier than Shumacher.

by kwinigolfer Wed 01 Jan 2014, 02:03

nbs,
Never very sure what European press means by "off piste" skiing, but that's probably what we call back-country skiing, tree skiing, certainly unlikely to be on groomed slopes.
Most people would suggest Shumacher was taking his own risks there, maybe not "stupid" but certainly there are greater risks inherent on skiing away from groomed slopes.

by super_realist Wed 01 Jan 2014, 10:44

McLaren wrote:Pretty ridiculous to claim you are a more experienced skier than Shumacher.

Why is that ridiculous Mac? The old argument from authority again? "you can't possibly be better than a famous sportsman at something"
I've been riding over 25 years and spent 5 winters in the Alps riding every day for 5 months.
Given that Schumacher won't have done that and has probably only done a maximum of two weeks every year due to racing commitments I think it's a virtual certainty I'm more experienced than he is. That's why it isn't a ridiculous claim.

That doesn't mean I can't hit my head of course, and being blase is often the curse of the more experienced skier/snowboarder.

Kwini, knowing Meribel, there aren't too many tree lined runs, but there is extensive "proper off piste" Pretty sure he will have been doing that, and given the early stage of the season, lack of serious snow accumulation as yet there will be lots of rocks poking out or just underneath the surface to catch people out. In summer that place is like the surface of the moon, rather than a lovely green alpine meadow that you might find in Austria or Switzerland so easy to see how it might have happened.

Sounds like he may be improving.

ON another note, I see Pube Head and Psycho are getting married. That's their careers over then. 9C will be secretly delighted, and might even smile for once.

by McLaren Thu 02 Jan 2014, 08:06

Interesting take on the aca from Micheal Moore in the NY times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/opinion/moore-the-obamacare-we-deserve.html

Kwini, do you have any more info on vermonts "universal" health care programme he mentions may be implemented in 2017?

by kwinigolfer Thu 02 Jan 2014, 10:36

Mac,
What do you want to know?
It's going to happen unless there's a seismic change of policy.
Hopefully we'll have at the very least health care for everyone, plus a "single payer" system.
It won't be the NHS, but it should show the rest of the country that the notion of paying 70% more for health care for the privilege of inferior outcomes is unsustainable.
We have a rudimentary form of this already for infant and child health care.

by super_realist Thu 02 Jan 2014, 20:23

Too Fat To Fly: Channel 5

Apparently it's Airlines fault for not providing sufficient room for people who look like they've eaten 2 Shane Lowry's. can't bear to watch any more.

by pedro Thu 02 Jan 2014, 20:38

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25583019

Is it him?

by kwinigolfer Thu 02 Jan 2014, 22:05

Mac,
Michael Moore is basically copying other peoples' scripts.
Former Vermont Gov Howard Dean, a practicing doctor until recently, would echo what Moore says (or more likely Moore is echoing Howie), but you've got to start somewhere, regardless of short-term own goals.
Sad thing is, Dean had the opportunity to do much more in VT when he was Gov but took the easy way out.

Already people are enjoying significant advantages with some aspects of the ACA, even if they're too dumb to admit where those benefits came from.

by Shotrock Fri 03 Jan 2014, 00:42

Want to see an entertaining clip on the US Healthcare challenge? Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M&list=TLD1bcOV5hK7N1Lz4iEdPEEwnrkfKPqPS3

by McLaren Fri 03 Jan 2014, 04:26

That guy is mental. But he makes some pretty good points. In fact pretty much the same points made in Moore's Sicko.

Kwini

Just didn't know anything about Vermont's new healthcare plan and I find healthcare in the US interesting.

Everyone in the UK should have a good understanding of the terrible situation in the US before condoning Cameron's's dismantling of the NHS.

by Shotrock Fri 03 Jan 2014, 14:53

Mac - What always amazes me are my fellow citizens who simply think nothing is really broken. Easy to put your head in the sand if your health plan and network deliver really good service (frankly, as does mine). So, the most cost effective delivery of health care in the US is guv'mint run medicare ... hmmmm ...

by kwinigolfer Fri 03 Jan 2014, 15:38

The incredible irony is that those who stand to benefit most from a better, more affordable system (business interests who will see the burden of higher labour/benefits costs slowly moderate) are among those most trenchantly against reform.

Whatever happens going forward there will still be inequalities, dictated to a large extent by geography, but hopefully increasingly less by income.

Nothing wrong with baby steps to start with.

by super_realist Fri 03 Jan 2014, 15:56

I see they are thinking of introducing fines for time wasters in UK A&E. Sounds like a good thing. They should also introduce fines for people who miss appointments too.

No doubt Mac wouldn't approve of that.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 03 Jan 2014, 18:37

How do you enforce it though S_R? Who's genuinely a 'time waster'? What about genuine reasons for missed appointments?

by super_realist Fri 03 Jan 2014, 18:44

navyblueshorts wrote:How do you enforce it though S_R? Who's genuinely a 'time waster'? What about genuine reasons for missed appointments?

If it isn't an emergency clearly.
I think in Denmark they charge people for doctors appointments and they get it back when they attend. If you have a reason for missing a doctors appointment, then it can't have been a serious ailment in the first place.

by Davie Fri 03 Jan 2014, 20:16

Aren't you confusing A+E with GPs though Super? If it is an appointment, rather than an emergency visit, then it is, by definition, not so serious. I know plenty of people who have called their GP about a not-so-serious problem and told they can't get an appointment for 5+ days. If someone who was middling-ill but not life threatening couldn't get a GP appointment immediately, but was sufficiently recovered in 5 days and forgot to cancel the appointment, who could blame them?

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 03 Jan 2014, 21:22

super_realist wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:How do you enforce it though S_R? Who's genuinely a 'time waster'? What about genuine reasons for missed appointments?

If it isn't an emergency clearly.
I think in Denmark they charge people for doctors appointments and they get it back when they attend. If you have a reason for missing a doctors appointment, then it can't have been a serious ailment in the first place.

Don't be ridiculous. Since when does it have to be "serious" to warrant a Doctor's appointment?? Who decides that in any case?

by JAS Fri 03 Jan 2014, 21:26

I think I'd agree with the Danish system...pay for a GP appointment, turn up and you get it back. Not quite sure how our bumbling "administered via Indian controlled I.T.Systems run" NHS would cope with that though.

A&E is a lot trickier...some people go to A&E who clearly shouldn't, some people don't go to A & E who clearly should. How do you know if you should or not??

by Davie Fri 03 Jan 2014, 21:40

JAS wrote:Not quite sure how our bumbling "administered via Indian controlled I.T.Systems run" NHS would cope with that though.

Not all off-shore outsourcing is bad JAS .. .but I know where you are coming from. Without naming any names I work for the IT company that had a MASSIVE stake in the bid for the NHS contracts, and who pulled out late in the day, with associated large penalty clauses - but the penalties still were less damaging than were the risks of being embroiled into a contract that had continually moving goalposts. At the end of the day it was the foreign parent of the company that decided to pull the plug on our bid - lots of jobs lost but it was still the right decision at a corporate level (though it didn't feel much that way to the people who lost their jobs as a result of the rather pathetic NHS alaterations to the bidding process

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