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by **Afro** Fri 13 Dec 2013, 9:50 am

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by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:50 am

Afro wrote:And I don't think Nick's signing has been dropped at all.

It clear has. Yeah thanks guys.

Nick's big signing has been dropped a few notches, great player Ibra but he won't be getting much more goals than Lukaku who was last season's top scorer.

This league is a joke.

by Gregers Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:50 am

Marky wrote:As Afro said, he's the best striker in the league. However there is only so much a top striker will provide, goals in votes. Ibrahimovic will join the likes of Diego Costa, Lukaku and for some reason, Rossi

Can anyone explain why Mandzukic isn't rated that highly, bangs them in for Bayern

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:52 am

Ibrahimovic will join the likes of Diego Costa, Lukaku and for some reason, Rossi

This is why this league is a joke. Hes clearly several notchs above every single one of them strikers. Yes Cotsa in a great form, Lukaku & Rossi both doing well & scoring but none of that are capable or close to being capable of what Zlatan is

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:53 am

That's missing my point I think.

Zlatan is much better and will offer more, and be rated higher, and I disagree with Marky about the impact on voting.

But I don't see managers going from giving you 1 or 2 goals, to 3 or 4, because you have Zlatan. He will probably get you more goals than Lukaku yes, but I see the extra benefit from Zlatan v Lukaku as being smaller than the improvement you could make on the wings or in midfield with that extra £7m.

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:53 am

Missing the point Zebs. In this league, a half decent striker will get a goal vote. The better the striker is, the more likely it'll be x2, x3 etc. But after votes, the likelihood is if Zwag win the voting 2-1 it'll be Ibrahimovic x2, if Southampton win a vote 2-1 it'll be Lukaku x2, and if WHU win a vote 2-1 it'll be Mandzukic x2. Regardless of who's better.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:54 am

Can anyone explain why Mandzukic isn't rated that highly, bangs them in for Bayern

I rate him very highly. For me hes quite a complete striker, heading & finishing both on point.

But in this league any striker = goals. So it doesnt really matter

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:55 am

Gregers, Mandzukic too, calm down baby Laugh

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:56 am

Tell me that isn't how these leagues are Zebs. Since the Furious League you and Viva ran, it didn't really matter who was upfront!

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 10:58 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Afro wrote:And I don't think Nick's signing has been dropped at all.

It clear has. Yeah thanks guys.
Nick's big signing has been dropped a few notches, great player Ibra but he won't be getting much more goals than Lukaku who was last season's top scorer.

This league is a joke.

My god, you have totally missed the point and are flying off the handle, although I think Viva's comment was a WUM, completely wrong and didn't help.

Ibra will win you games that you will previously have drawn and lost and is a great signing. Exactly what you needed. But as an example, what will win you more points....Ibra + £15m winger or Lukaku + £22m winger?

Gregers - Mandzukic is a great striker too. He's probably in the Lukaku level, rather than Ibra level (relating to the current conversation)

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:00 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Ibrahimovic will join the likes of Diego Costa, Lukaku and for some reason, Rossi
This is why this league is a joke. Hes clearly several notchs above every single one of them strikers. Yes Cotsa in a great form, Lukaku & Rossi both doing well & scoring but none of that are capable or close to being capable of what Zlatan is

Agreed and no one has said anything contradictory to this.

by Gregers Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:01 am

Marky wrote:Gregers, Mandzukic too, calm down baby

Just thought I would throw an Azzy...

Ibra is probably the best striker in the league at the moment but I'm not going to start voting for him to score 4 each game. My DLC side in the last league had Soldado up front and he banged them in every game.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:03 am

but I see the extra benefit from Zlatan v Lukaku as being smaller than the improvement you could make on the wings or in midfield with that extra £7m.

My wings will be improved in due course, I have the money waiting for TP's bids.

In this league, a half decent striker will get a goal vote.
Regardless of who's better.

I actually see you point & yes no matter the striker they usually get the goal vote(s) in a win.
Basically is what you saying, Zlatan will get goals like any stiker in this league. The fact hes head & shoulders above any striker in this league at scoring & chips in assist doesnt count for him being a match winner. Robben wasnt a match winner when I had him even though he is IRL & Zlatan wont me.

Lukaku never played in the Chapions League. Zlatan has 8 group stage goals to him name.

But such better playing in this league doesnt count for much else but a goal or two.

I should of just bought Eto'o or Pato for £10m ish. What a joke.

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:03 am

Gregers wrote:
Marky wrote:Gregers, Mandzukic too, calm down baby

Just thought I would throw an Azzy...

Ibra is probably the best striker in the league at the moment but I'm not going to start voting for him to score 4 each game. My DLC side in the last league had Soldado up front and he banged them in every game.

Bingo!

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:03 am

Marky wrote:Tell me that isn't how these leagues are Zebs. Since the Furious League you and Viva ran, it didn't really matter who was upfront!

To be fair, strikers have always been match winners. Going from Kiessling to Ibra was a massive step up for Zwag in terms of winning matches. Basel should be desperate for a striker of his class, so I think Viva is just on the wind up (or mad if he genuinely doesn't want Zlatan)

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:05 am

Tell me that isn't how these leagues are Zebs. Since the Furious League you and Viva ran, it didn't really matter who was upfront!

Theres never been a player of such quality in those league. Thats was Pappis Cissie hype, no one ever got close to owning such an established proven WC quality player.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:06 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
but I see the extra benefit from Zlatan v Lukaku as being smaller than the improvement you could make on the wings or in midfield with that extra £7m.
My wings will be improved in due course, I have the money waiting for TP's bids.

In this league, a half decent striker will get a goal vote.
Regardless of who's better.
I actually see you point & yes no matter the striker they usually get the goal vote(s) in a win.
Basically is what you saying, Zlatan will get goals like any stiker in this league. The fact hes head & shoulders above any striker in this league at scoring & chips in assist doesnt count for him being a match winner. Robben wasnt a match winner when I had him even though he is IRL & Zlatan wont me.

Lukaku never played in the Chapions League. Zlatan has 8 group stage goals to him name.

But such better playing in this league doesnt count for much else but a goal or two.

I should of just bought Eto'o or Pato for £10m ish. What a joke.

Zlatan would get assists and goals (apart from he'll probably be given all your goals Laugh

) and will make a huge difference to your results I would have thought.

My point is Lukaku > Zlatan versus £15m > £22m, which will bring more. I say this without looking at the wingers tbf

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:11 am

My god, you have totally missed the point and are flying off the handle, although I think Viva's comment was a WUM, completely wrong and didn't help.

Viva was wumming.
However, the point is that strikers = goals. So it really didnt matter who I bought.

My point is, truely World Class players dont get the rating they should in these leagues. Ibra = goals. Giroud = goals. Lukaku = goals.
Any old striker will do as long as they are having a few good games in real life.

I feel its very poor when players like Robben & Zlatan are rated just like any other striker or winger in half decent form.

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:11 am

Nick you should have gone with Yaya Toure instead, he would have got you goals as well as securing the midfield. Bad move there when Ibrahimovic (clearly the best striker in the league) is seen just a bit better when it comes to voting then Lukaku who bangs it at small clubs but struggles at top clubs.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:13 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Tell me that isn't how these leagues are Zebs. Since the Furious League you and Viva ran, it didn't really matter who was upfront!
Theres never been a player of such quality in those league. Thats was Pappis Cissie hype, no one ever got close to owning such an established proven WC quality player.

I had Ibra in the last version of this league.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:16 am

Viva wrote:Bad move there when Ibrahimovic (clearly the best striker in the league) is seen just a bit better when it comes to voting then Lukaku who bangs it at small clubs but struggles at top clubs.

Even is Viva is wumming I think hes spot on right & thats based on what has been said during this convo.

I had Ibra in the last version of this league.

I wasnt in that. Was his rating as poor??

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:17 am

Nick I love how you said to Marky that you'll reply on the main page because it'll be an interesting topic and we'll get a debate going. Not how you imagined it haha.

Anyway what's your top three games of the year mine are Last Of Us, GTA 5 and Bioshock Infinite. In that order.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:19 am

Zebs wrote:My point is, truely World Class players dont get the rating they should in these leagues. Ibra = goals. Giroud = goals. Lukaku = goals.
Any old striker will do as long as they are having a few good games in real life.

I don't agree. Zlatan will get a much higher rating than Lukaku, Mandzukic, Giroud etc and will probably get you more goals. It's world class versus top class

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Nick you should have gone with Yaya Toure instead, he would have got you goals as well as securing the midfield. Bad move there when Ibrahimovic (clearly the best striker in the league) is seen just a bit better when it comes to voting then Lukaku who bangs it at small clubs but struggles at top clubs.

Disagree a lot. Nick needed that top class striker, as you do, to take his team to the next level. His side will be title challengers with Ibra. Yaya would have been a great signing too, but he wouldn't have improved Nick's side as much as Ibra has.

At least he's not in your position where you desperately need a Yaya and a Zlatan

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:21 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Viva wrote:Bad move there when Ibrahimovic (clearly the best striker in the league) is seen just a bit better when it comes to voting then Lukaku who bangs it at small clubs but struggles at top clubs.
Even is Viva is wumming I think hes spot on right & thats based on what has been said during this convo.

I had Ibra in the last version of this league.
I wasnt in that. Was his rating as poor??

No, he was the best striker in that league too. I did sell him though as I got a much better winger and a worse striker, but overall a better side (that's actually true, not a WUM).

Zlatan has a huge rating, his rating isn't poor at all

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:22 am

Nick I love how you said to Marky that you'll reply on the main page because it'll be an interesting topic and we'll get a debate going. Not how you imagined it haha.

Hell no. I though it would be about Zlatan in real life. His arrogane, his hatred for Pep, the 50 things to do list & so on.

Not how his rating in this league is disgustingly **** hes just a massive was of money.
If I could reverse/cancel that transfer I honestly would & id just go buy Gary Hooper, 4 goals in last 6 games at an lower table club who arent in an European competition = goals in this league.
Would fo saved a lot of cashola.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:26 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Nick I love how you said to Marky that you'll reply on the main page because it'll be an interesting topic and we'll get a debate going. Not how you imagined it haha.
Hell no. I though it would be about Zlatan in real life. His arrogane, his hatred for Pep, the 50 things to do list & so on.

Not how his rating in this league is disgustingly **** hes just a massive was of money.
If I could reverse/cancel that transfer I honestly would & id just go buy Gary Hooper, 4 goals in last 6 games at an lower table club who arent in an European competition = goals in this league.
Would fo saved a lot of cashola.

Who has said he is a waste of money or has a poor rating?

Personally, (if you use him correctly) I will give you much better feedback and ratings for Zlatan than I would for Lukaku or a similar striker (just looking at striker in isolation).

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:28 am

Afro you've already done the damage on Nick it's pointless sugar coating the truth. A striker will always improve a side even if his real life ability is a lot less than a top midfielder because goals are generally assigned to the striker but a top striker takes it to next level.

Don't deflect the pressure on to my Basel side Laugh

I do need a Zlatan but I already have my Yaya in Matuidi.

by sodhat Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:28 am

The weirdest thing just happened at work. A delivery of a large batch of tampons just came across my desk. They weren't for me so I forwarded them to the actual recipient. Some sales manager in turf care in Birmingham or something.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:29 am

I don't agree. Zlatan will get a much higher rating than Lukaku, Mandzukic, Giroud etc and will probably get you more goals. It's world class versus top class

Sadly I disagree with that.

Marky wrote:Zlatan v defences = goals
Lukaku v defences = goals
&
But after votes, the likelihood is if Zwag win the voting 2-1 it'll be Ibrahimovic x2, if Southampton win a vote 2-1 it'll be Lukaku x2, and if WHU win a vote 2-1 it'll be Mandzukic x2. Regardless of who's better.

Gregers wrote:My DLC side in the last league had Soldado up front and he banged them in every game.

Sums it all up. two people voting on my mates & all they see Zlatan is the same as any other striker, just a name to list as a scorer in votes.

Personally, (if you use him correctly) I will give you much better feedback and ratings for Zlatan than I would for Lukaku or a similar striker (just looking at striker in isolation).

You may so that now 2-1 in my voters. Tbf Trebs will rate him, so id say 2-2. Not a great improvement for 26.5m

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:31 am

Soddy, at least add something constructive to the convo.
Even thou your not voting now how would you judge it?
Like marky & gregers saying any striker = goals
or more like afro if used properly his talents would be appreciated
????????

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:34 am

Nick I like Ibrahimovic a lot, best striker in the league.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:38 am

I think you need to separate the vote on the result and then who the goals are awarded too.

I can only speak for me, but I will take a look at all the tactics, players etc are and decide what I think the result will be - normally my thinking is what kind of margin 1 goal, 2 goals better, and then is it likely to be a low scoring, high scoring.

Then as an after thought, I randomly pick some scorers (in fact I don't even do that now as the scorer is largely irrelevant).

I wouldn't imagine others voting for who scores the goals is much different.

So the fact that it is 2-1 to Zwag and 2 goals to Ibra, and 2-1 to Southampton with 2 goals to Lukaku is pretty irrelevant. I would disregard the top scorers list altogether as it it doesn't really mean anything.

The difference is, say someone was between a draw and a win for you. Ibra is much mroe likely to turn that draw into a win than Lukaku is. That's where his ability comes into it.

My point from the start was looking at more than just the striker. Which is more likely to turn a 1-1 vote into a 2-1 vote - Ibra + £15m midfielder or Lukaku + £22m midfielder (depends entirely on the midfield). That is why I said I would have considered Marky's offer - bear in mind I didn't say I would accept it, I would have tried to see what I could have done with the £7m)

by Fernando Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:42 am

Morning

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by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:42 am

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Nick I like Ibrahimovic a lot, best striker in the league.

But is he just seen as = goals like lukaku or is he seen for the world class player he is???

Seems to be 2-3 with your opinion.

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:46 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:Nick I like Ibrahimovic a lot, best striker in the league.
But is he just seen as = goals like lukaku or is he seen for the world class player he is???

Seems to be 2-3 with your opinion.

Who scores the goals is the most irrelevant part of this league and the top scorers list is the most meaningless list. Olly went the entire season one time when only Mandzukic was his only scorer. Not because people could only see Mandzukic scoring, but because when he had 1 goal scored from the votes, Mandzukic was then the most obvious name to award the goal too. He didn't score the goal just because he had Mandzukic though. He scored the goal because his side was worth the goal, as a whole. Had that been Giroud, then Giroud would have ended with a shedload of goals instead

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:48 am

Afro couldn't you also say that ibrahimovic is more likely to get the best out of the 15m winger than Lukaku is 22m winger. Ibrahimovic can create something out of nothing whereas Lukaku would need more support from the side.

Nick already has cash where he can buy a good winger without having to sell Ibrahimovic so I can see why he rejected the offer.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:48 am

I would have tried to see what I could have done with the £7m)

Consider if you had £15m in the bank & 2 targets in mind which will sort out your starting Xi when fully fit + add depth.
Would Markys offer even get considered then?

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:50 am

Who the hell cares? Laugh

Even if Ibra is your striker and earns you the win, I'm going to vote on other players for the goals Wink

by FIFA Diva Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:51 am

Morning Nando cuppa

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:53 am

He scored the goal because his side was worth the goal, as a whole. Had that been Giroud, then Giroud would have ended with a shedload of goals instead

Thats a much better explanation. But some people may not vote like that.

Also Ibra offers more than just goals & overall ability+preformances offers more than any of the stikers in this league do.
He has more goals in the Champions League than all the others in this league combined!! (I think).

by Fernando Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:54 am

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Morning Nando

I see all is peaceful and lovely here today Laugh

Ibra > Lukaku

Ibra used wrong < Lukaku

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:55 am

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Afro couldn't you also say that ibrahimovic is more likely to get the best out of the 15m winger than Lukaku is 22m winger. Ibrahimovic can create something out of nothing whereas Lukaku would need more support from the side.

Nick already has cash where he can buy a good winger without having to sell Ibrahimovic so I can see why he rejected the offer.

Exactly. It would depend on more than just Ibra v Lukaku. It would depend on what the extra £7m brings versus what you lose.

That was my point at the start picard

Marky wrote:Even if Ibra is your striker and earns you the win, I'm going to vote on other players for the goals

The one week I calculated the results, I gave one of Gregers goals to Iraola. He was the only defender to score last year

by Gregers Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:56 am

Cheers mate, Iraola enjoyed that!

I quite often vote for defenders to score, not enough goals from set pieces in this league

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:56 am

Lukaku's going to the 2014 World Cup. So is Mandzukic, Diego Costa, Rossi and Giroud. And Shola Ameobi. Only the best strikers.

What tourist attractions will Zlatan be visiting next summer?

by **Afro** Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:57 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
He scored the goal because his side was worth the goal, as a whole. Had that been Giroud, then Giroud would have ended with a shedload of goals instead
Thats a much better explanation. But some people may not vote like that.

Also Ibra offers more than just goals & overall ability+preformances offers more than any of the stikers in this league do.
He has more goals in the Champions League than all the others in this league combined!! (I think).

I'm going to sign RVN or Raul... Run

by Fernando Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:57 am

Marky wrote:
What tourist attractions will Zlatan be visiting next summer?

The same one's Lukaku visit on CL nights Whistle

Zlatan is going to visit Bale at the Zoo

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:04 pm

Ive given a goal to Pirlo this season, he was on Free kick duty.
Not sure how many others mix it up.

by Marky Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:10 pm

Oh Nando. Everyone knows Lukaku uses CL nights to drink diesel and prepare for the weekend.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:16 pm

Zlatan is going to visit Bale at the Zoo

That made me laugh more than it should of, dont know why lol.

Zlatan has already said, your dont need to watch the world cup as hes not there.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:42 pm

Anyone got a works secret santa?

My mates bought pens & a tweenies xmas cd for a 20 year old lad in IT department. How poop.
Also a rumour going round this guy has bought a book called Fat & Proud for a girl in marketing, shes not fat, just a little tubby. How insulting lol

by Fan Gilhaus Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:47 pm

Morata gonna be > than them all

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