January Transfer Window 2014

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I'm gonna open this up now as I contemplate watching the shower of poop I'm about to watch.

What strong rumours have we heard? What do teams need? Where do you think the money will be spent?

I shall start you off with rumours surrounding Lambert maybe considering West Ham and similarly West Ham going to Spurs cap in hand to request a loan of Defoe or Adebayor (sources not so tight haha)

How many youth team products do Arsenal have in their first team, I think it's only Wilshere, all there players have been or snatched just like everyone else.

Actually for me its more that Arsenal tend to develop youth in general or buy bargains. Ozil is the big exception but he was worth it (imo)

This hasn't been the transfer window I expected. It's certainly not flourished with talent flowing into the Premier League that's for sure. But, Hull have made the best signings of the window so far, for them. Jelavic and Long are top Premier League strikers for their level. They'll soon help them out.

Also guys, just another help, is there another board that is similar to this one by any chance?

GSC wrote:Actually for me its more that Arsenal tend to develop youth in general or buy bargains. Ozil is the big exception but he was worth it (imo)

Mertesacker, Giroud, Cazorla, Sagna, Koscielny, Vermaelen and Arteta are all exceptions to the rule as well then are they?

compelling and rich wrote:he's more trouble than he's worth to be honest, he's only been at west ham five minutes and from the rumours there already problems. dont think he will ever reach his full potential because of his attitude

Thankfully, the rumours seem to be just that.

For all the Arsenal youth discussion, United are playing more English youth regularly. And boast a team full of young players.

How much did those players cost

Ramsey, Szczesny, Wilshere, Gnabry, Einfield, Fabregas, Miyachi, Frimpong, Coquelin, Gibbs etc. I suppose they are all exceptions as well?

FootballLight wrote:This hasn't been the transfer window I expected. It's certainly not flourished with talent flowing into the Premier League that's for sure. But, Hull have made the best signings of the window so far, for them. Jelavic and Long are top Premier League strikers for their level. They'll soon help them out.

Also guys, just another help, is there another board that is similar to this one by any chance?

loads of copy 606's come out after bbc's site died. there are couple of others that are doing ok

What do you mean by that mystiroakey?

you asked for other sites like this?

google "606 forum" and many should come up. a few are similar to this and has other ex 606 posters once the BBC site 606 closed

Ok. What I meant was, any boards on this website? That are like this Football one?

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:For all the Arsenal youth discussion, United are playing more English youth regularly. And boast a team full of young players.

Yep but Arsenal's young players are better.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:How many youth team products do Arsenal have in their first team, I think it's only Wilshere, all there players have been or snatched just like everyone else.

Yes but they buy players when they are young prospects and develop them into stars. Ramsey came from Cardiff but has been at Arsenal for years. Theo has been at Arsenal for years after coming from Southampton. They developed into the players they are at Arsenal and they all give a lot of credit to Wenger for playing them and not losing his head when they have injuries. I know it drives you crazy when anyone says anything nice about Arsenal but Arsenal develop a lot of great talent. Ala RVP who says his move to Arsenal as a little known PSV player defined his career.

socal1976 wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:For all the Arsenal youth discussion, United are playing more English youth regularly. And boast a team full of young players.

Yep but Arsenal's young players are better.

Was more about someone wanting Arsenal to win because they play youth. And your statement could be debated too.

Yes, you could debate it but I would not trade Arsenal's youngsters for United's especially if you include Ramsey. Ozil was bought for 43 million as great as he is Ramsey has been by far the best player for Arsenal and after Suarez the best player in the league and he is what 23? Plus Wilshere is an establish England international, Theo is not much older if he gets counted as young he scored 21 goals last year. Gibbs is already on the shortlist of best leftbacks in the league. Ox has huge potential etc. These are just the english and welsh players if we include Gnabry then the wheels in terms of youth quality really tip to Arsenal. And we are not talking potential we are talking what they have done on the field.

Smalling is good, jones is very good, and evans is good. Of those three Jones could become world class out of Arsenal's group you have the better players now and the players with more upside for the future.

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Then you could add Januzaj, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea to the list of United youngsters. There's not a lot in it between the two teams, defensively United have the better youngsters while offensively it's Arsenal.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Then you could add Januzaj, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea to the list of United youngsters. There's not a lot in it between the two teams, defensively United have the better youngsters while offensively it's Arsenal.

Well it is a matter of opinion and preference but as a fan I would always prefer to have the great attackers. You keep the defenders I am happy to watch the players who attack and are technically gifted. Same reason people like to watch Pele, Maradonna etc. play as opposed to Maldini and Beckenbauer. To me that is what I enjoy in football. A bone jarring tackle can be great to watch but it never provides the consistent excitement a maradonna v. England moment. Just my viewing preference.

I honestly don't see any of the players you listed in terms of attack that are half the player Ramsey is and Wilshere is as good as any of the United attackers you listed. Not to mention Theo who has been brilliant the last couple of years.

Both are as important as each other, I appreciate your viewpoint and I would rather have the greater attacking prospects but players like Jones and Smalling will be just as important in allowing the attackers to express themselves. With Januzaj, Welbeck and Lingaard i'm more than happy with our young attacking talent but i'm not taking anything away from Ramsey and Walcott both of whom I wish had joined us.

I like Ox but I think that like Wilshere he's a bit too injury, I hope they get over it in the same way I hope Jones gets over his, for the sake of the England. We have an exciting crop of youngsters coming through and for once the future looks quite bright, club allegiance aside; Ox, Wilshere, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones, Berahino, Gibbs and Barkley all have a bright future ahead of them.

The fact that you as a united fan doesn't even mention Morrison or zaha tells me something though .

You had / have two of the best attacking talents england . both have massive england futures..

This is kind of a pointless argument because different players develop at different rates, and it's not necessarily sensible to separate youth products with those who joined at 16/17.

If you're going to restrict to "youth products" who've made at least 5 appearances this season then you don't have many left:

Arsenal: Szczesny, Gibbs, Bendtner, Wilshere, Gnabry

United: Cleverley, Evans, Giggs, Welbeck

After West Ham got a work permit and international clearance for Lacina Traore, Everton have come in and look to have stolen the loan move.

Class for the little club who bemoan they can't compete in the market

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Both are as important as each other, I appreciate your viewpoint and I would rather have the greater attacking prospects but players like Jones and Smalling will be just as important in allowing the attackers to express themselves. With Januzaj, Welbeck and Lingaard i'm more than happy with our young attacking talent but i'm not taking anything away from Ramsey and Walcott both of whom I wish had joined us.

I like Ox but I think that like Wilshere he's a bit too injury, I hope they get over it in the same way I hope Jones gets over his, for the sake of the England. We have an exciting crop of youngsters coming through and for once the future looks quite bright, club allegiance aside; Ox, Wilshere, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones, Berahino, Gibbs and Barkley all have a bright future ahead of them.

Yes I like this current crop of English talent as they can maybe break the cycle. Spain had always been the big underachievers of world football till they had a great generation break through and dominate. I don't think these youngsters can be compared to Spain's golden generation but they could finally win something.

He'd be an idiot to join Everton. Firstly, he'd be playing second fiddle to Lukaku, mostly coming off the bench & Everton like to play along the floor. I know he's got technical ability, however, WHU's style would suit his physicality, attributes & all round game more than Everton.

As for Wilshere I think he will be a very good talent if he can stay healthy. He has played really well for us this year, I think if he continues the way he is going he could finish with double digits assists and possibly goals in all comps. He had to play early in the season out wide right and he is not a wide man, and he was battling injury. I know Santi has been injured this year but I think in the matches they have been healthy Wilshere has played as well or better. His decision making has to improve at times when he decides to go at defenders or pass it off, sometimes he chooses to go at people too much but I respect that and he just has to get the balance right.

Wilshire has all ready proved himself at the top level. Just needs to stay fit.

Same goes for Wilshire who has shown plenty of times go be a big game player. Doing it against the top sides in Europe on a number of occasion's

Ramseys form has deffo tailed off. But still playing really well. Its just he had one of them purple patches

John wrote:He'd be an idiot to join Everton. Firstly, he'd be playing second fiddle to Lukaku, mostly coming off the bench & Everton like to play along the floor. I know he's got technical ability, however, WHU's style would suit his physicality, attributes & all round game more than Everton.

He'd be playing second to fiddle to Carroll at West Ham. Plus their going down Everton need a forward for if Lukaku goes down injured.

Youth talent wise: Daniel Crowley,Jon Toral & Gedion Zelalem are the future of Arsenal tbh.

Wilshere is a top quality talent, he's a massive prat but he's a top talent and I believe he's been pushed into the first team a little bit too soon especially for a central midfielder, the same with Jones. That's half the problem with these young players they can become injury prone and that impacts on their whole career. Central midfield isn't the best position for young players to come through, there is no where to hide.

I must say i'm not anti Arsenal, they are a proper team with history who go about things the right way, I would rather them or Liverpool win than the money man toy teams like Chelsea or Man City.

Fernando wrote:

John wrote:He'd be an idiot to join Everton. Firstly, he'd be playing second fiddle to Lukaku, mostly coming off the bench & Everton like to play along the floor. I know he's got technical ability, however, WHU's style would suit his physicality, attributes & all round game more than Everton.

He'd be playing second to fiddle to Carroll at West Ham. Plus their going down Everton need a forward for if Lukaku goes down injured.

West Ham can go two up top, whereas Everton usually play just Lukuku alone. Carroll is hardly reliable in terms of fitness or staying injury free. Also, Traore wouldn't care if WHU are near the bottom, he just wants first team action before going back to Monaco next season when either Falcao or Emmanuel Riviere leave & free up space.

I feel the same way about united would rather have them win it over Chelsea as again United are a proper club that did not sell out to an abramovich type and their manager is not the most noted negative tactician in the game . Or city being owned by a dictator with oil money trying to buy the title and buying players to bench them. For me it is anyone but city or Chelsea. Unfortunately one of these two most likely will win it.

The only problem I have with Arsenal fans is the smarmy comments now we're struggling depsite being at the top for almost my whole lifetime whereas you lot have struggled for years. It's a no win situation really if we don't win the title but Arsenal or Liverpool are the lesser of four evils.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The only problem I have with Arsenal fans is the smarmy comments now we're struggling depsite being at the top for almost my whole lifetime whereas you lot have struggled for years. It's a no win situation really if we don't win the title but Arsenal or Liverpool are the lesser of four evils.

It is a natural reaction because you guys have been top for so long the chance to rub it in doesn't happen so people take extra joy in it when it happens. As for arsenal it has been a struggle at times but it still has been a good run with our side playing enjoyable stuff and at least being in CL football and winning some battles in the most elite of competitions. Sure no one likes to be cash strapped and selling players but it looks like those days are past us. And we no longer have the revenue disadvantage of playing in a very small stadium.

Even the best of teams have to sell their best player, seeing Ronaldo at Madrid still makes me sick, he deserves better than that awful circus.

Yes but the situation was different arsenal we weren't losing a player here or there a string of top shelf players were leaving each year. Ronaldo was the exception where at arsenal it became a trend. Where I see united having messed up is that outside RVP they have not been buying players of the quality you would expect.

Kevin De Bruyne joins Wolfsburg 5 year deal

I think the lad will be back in the EPL some day, once he's matured & developed. Just didn't have the opportunity in that packed Chelsea midfield. Good deal for Chelsea though.

I only just read about Juventus' Vucinic & him being linked with Arsenal on loan. Never rated him & would rather have Giroud. Also, Anderson has completed his loan move to Fiorentina

I am fed up of hearing about how Moyes has been to watch this player and that player

Here's a thought David, while I appreciate you have the Glazer puppet Woodward to do transfer dealings though, why don't you actually I don't know.... bid for these players??? Instead of just watching players who will be out of our reach when we finish 7th in the Premier league. As far as I'm concerned the next few seasons all come down to what we do or do not do in the next 13 days. This side with moyes at the helm is not good enough to finish top 4

Lets weigh this up realistically. We finish out of top four I expect to lose Rooney and probably RVP leaving us with (lets face it) a fairly w@nk team, now lets look at our Summer targets that have been looked at (if you would believe what you read)

Gundogan - probably will be looking to leave Dortmund seeing the likes of Gotze and Lewandowski go on. Who would you rather play alongside...Bale, Ronaldo and the likes at Madrid or Welbeck, Cleverly and Smalling at United?? No chance we'll get him

Pogba - Probably would discard us after how Ferguson treated him, already at a better team than United and would likely favour a money move to PSG anyway. No chance of signing him

Marchiso - Again at juventus has more chance of medals and will be in the Champions league. No chance

Vidal - Same as above

Moura - Turned us down for a move to PSG when we were a better team than we are now. No chance of signing him

Koke - rave reviews for the Spanish midfielder, in a team that is building and challenging the monopoly of real and Barca in La Liga. Likelye in the Champions League next year and getting a solid team built around him. No chance



I wish for once that somebody would come out and say the reason we're not making these moves is not because the right players aren't available, but because those greedy yank t0ssers won't front the cash required to give this squad a much needed facelift

To make a bad day worse, Traore will be joining Everton not West Ham.

Traore is not a clinical finisher either DZ, something you need desperately. The chances are being created, just nobody there to finish them. Not sure where you go for a striker now, other than taking someone else from abroad, who will be an unknown in the league.

Agree gazzyD with what your saying. I have no idea what Moyes or Woodward are waiting for in this window. Surely, they don't need to see the Chelsea game & it's outcome, before making a decision. The targets you listed are unrealistic in my opinion, like you say. I only see Cabaye as the viable option now, although United seem to be put off by age, just like Baines.

I think we're doing what the two porn barons always want to do, we'll do it on the cheap and if we go down then it happens.

Moyes Pre-Chelsea game,

‘The amount of big players wanting to join United is incredible. Some players go for the money at other clubs but, if you ask them where they really want to be, they want to wear the badge of Manchester United, not only the biggest club in this country but in the world.

'Some of the results have not been what you want, but I wouldn't say the aura is fading. In fact, I think the opposite.

'It won't be an issue when trying to sign players, not from the trips I am making and the things I am hearing.'

   

Moyes has gone mad..

What else can Moyes say though, I mean he can't say "I have never won anything and now that Ferguson is gone, I don't have the same aura to sign world class players."


I think he is a good manager and if he has time he will make a success of himself the problem is that there is much less patience in the football world and a higher standard at United now since the days Ferguson first took the job.

Gaz, money talks at the end of the day, if you offer someone enough they'll join regardless.

But that brings me to my comment at the end. I genuinely think that regardless of whether the money is there or not, the Glazers wont put their hands in their pockets and spend it. Especially to the value needed

Alan Hutton linked with Stoke, Fulham & Norwich.

Please take him.

Apparently, we've agreed a £21m fee with PSG for Cabaye. Ashley is willing to sell Cabaye for such a fee, in order to bring in Remy Cabella in this window. We would lose Cabaye in the summer anyway, therefore, I think it's a great deal for the club. Be a huge loss for us but Cabaye deserves to play Champions League football, he's just too good & I think Ashley is willing to sell in order to help Cabaye realise his dream & as a thankyou gesture for his services.

21m is a great fee for as player nearing 30 and only 12 months left on his contract. psg have got more money than sense though

looking forward to platini clamping down on there spending because they dont meet FFP, what you mean he doesn't care when its a french team only when its english teams!

To be fair have any English teams been penalised by it?

FFP just won't apply to the big clubs as UEFA will be worried about them breaking off.