Braehmer-Cleverly off

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Braehmer-Cleverly off

WBO light heavyweight champion Juergen Braehmer will not be able to defend his title against interim titlist Nathan Cleverly on Saturday in London after a cut suffered in training reopened on Tuesday. Braehmer will not be traveling to London today as scheduled.

Source: fightnews

coxy0001 wrote:Doesn't really bother me if it comes off PPV anyway. Got cricket and so the plan was to hook my laptop up to the flatscreen up the CC with my new shiny lead (one of two i might add that we have in our impressive facility! ) and then use myp2p.eu or some other stream to watch it....

Naturally that is as legal as you can possibly get.....

I think it is legal to watch it on these sites but not legal for them to broadcast it. I usually have trouble getting a decent stream for British fights though.

I'll still buy it. Don't want to come across as Rockerfeller because nothing could be further from the truth but its £15 to watch a fight I am genuinely excited about. If I go round the corner to the boozer with the missusthat barely covers three drinks so whilst I begrudge paying PPV for a domestic fight in the absence of any football Saturday the option is that or all star celebrity cooking on ice or whatever guff is on nowadays Saturday night

Problem is btw guys, it won't be £15 to watch it up at the cricket club.... And we'd all rather stay up there where there's a bar than have to buy tinnies to go back to someones house etc

Isn't a big enough card to bother with that, plus we'd probs get a load of people up for watching it there but won't come round a house for instance.

Should be good fun, boxing-guru has been problematic recently but myp2p.eu usually comes up trumps with a decent stream

rowley wrote:I'll still buy it. Don't want to come across as Rockerfeller because nothing could be further from the truth but its £15 to watch a fight I am genuinely excited about. If I go round the corner to the boozer with the missusthat barely covers three drinks so whilst I begrudge paying PPV for a domestic fight in the absence of any football Saturday the option is that or all star celebrity cooking on ice or whatever guff is on nowadays Saturday night

I kinda agree with you Jeff - DeGale vs Groves was the main attraction for me as well, but if people continue to buy sub-standard PPV then where will it end? Sky will probably see this as easy money and churn out other boxing events that shouldnt really be PPV as PPV.

First time I can remember a British title fight being PPV. Bookies don't even have it close either. This will flop.

The one saving grace Rowley is that the right fight is off......It shows how titles are preceived these days when the domestic dust up takes promotional precedent over a world title fight..

Imagine that in mcguigan's day or Honey's day...

Can only see Cleverly vs no mark and hope people don't want their money back as the future option for Warren....

The purses I think were guaranteed with ppv money in mind.

Daz did not buy the last Khan fight as I genuinely did not see it as a competitve fight and the undercard was awful. However I personally think the main event will be closer than many do and there is genuine needle which tends to give a fight and event an edge. End of the day how people spend their money is their business and would not criticise anyone for choosing not to buy this.

Think the main difference between this and the last Khan and Haye Harrison bouts is there has been a legitimate attempt to put a decent main event and card together which has feel apart through bad luck. In those cards the main event was never PPV worthy in either case.

But yet Froch is more exciting than all the above, fights much better people and gets largely ignored by everyone in the UK. I mean even Groves has a higher profile than Froch FFS!
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Froch is easily our best fighter imo, he has fought and beat the quality fighters for the past 3 years barring 1 defeat to Kessler who imo isnt in the same league as Pascal who he beat. But to say Groves who has done little as a pro and who will never, ever be in the same league as Froch at any point in the future imo is a bigger name really is sad. And Frank do us all a favour and take this fight of ppv, you cant rip the public off every show you have, the magnificent 7 bills were worth the money not this though. I've recently been laid off work and cant afford them anyway, but the people who do pay and money is tight, are being ripped off.

Disagree.

IMO Khan v McCloskey was much more worthy of PPV than DeGale vs Groves.

you're right jukebox...bonafide world champ v european champ...

has to be more worthy......thought khan-mccloskey was a worthy match.

rowley wrote:Think the main difference between this and the last Khan and Haye Harrison bouts is there has been a legitimate attempt to put a decent main event and card together which has feel apart through bad luck. In those cards the main event was never PPV worthy in either case.

Can't argue with that.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Disagree.

IMO Khan v McCloskey was much more worthy of PPV than DeGale vs Groves.

Each to their own mate but whilst I agreed that Paul was about worthy of a shot I never thought for even a split second he would beat Khan which for me has to be a consideration when buying an event

What have either DeGale or Groves done to warrant this being a PPV. If it wasn't for their well publicised hate of eachother this would be on Friday Fight Night.

SKY acted as if they were setting a precident when they refused to put Khan v Mccloskey on PPV. If they don't do the same with this, a much less important fight, then they're going to look very silly.

Never thought Bonecrusher would beat Tyson......so what...

At least they'd paid their dues...

Two basic rookies that are perceived to dislike eachother fighting PPV isn't what I call worthy of PPV..

Although it is intriguing..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:you're right jukebox...bonafide world champ v european champ...

has to be more worthy......thought khan-mccloskey was a worthy match.

Disagree Trussy

Was never a competitive match on paper and no-one, save for the Irish, were bothered about it as it didn't have the "who you siding with" mentality to it.

I'm basing this on the cricket club as the demographic there is abotu 2390290902902 little scrotums (under 20), a load of the elite group (20-40) and the old pfished up farts... And the interest in it's been pretty high to be honest. No-one was that bothered with Khan.

In terms of hype, needle and a competitive fight (Degale wins IMO but won't blow him away as some predict) this out-does Khan v PM in every area.

rowley wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Disagree.

IMO Khan v McCloskey was much more worthy of PPV than DeGale vs Groves.

Each to their own mate but whilst I agreed that Paul was about worthy of a shot I never thought for even a split second he would beat Khan which for me has to be a consideration when buying an event

Is anyone really giving Groves much of a chance?

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

rowley wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Disagree.

IMO Khan v McCloskey was much more worthy of PPV than DeGale vs Groves.

Each to their own mate but whilst I agreed that Paul was about worthy of a shot I never thought for even a split second he would beat Khan which for me has to be a consideration when buying an event

Is anyone really giving Groves much of a chance?

Adam Booth. Thats about it i think!

No one but the Irish were bothered about it.....What about Khan fans..They all Irish????...Stupid generalising tosh..

Jukey is right in essence... I mean I don't like the Company CEO maybe people could pay PPV for me to knock him out on sky...

Don't speak for everybody else..

In all fairness Haye Harrison was a world champion vs European champion, does not guarantee a fight will be competitive. Ultimately a persons critieria as to what justifies a PPV event is a matter of personal taste. For me will put much more stock in how good I think the match up will be rather than what belt is on the line.

Can see the argument otherwise though because Macklin Moore was always going to be competitive and Sky would not have dreamed of putting that on PPV. However think the circumstances are different here because having taken the unusual step of paying the purse themselves would guess Sky are fairly committed to sticking with the PPV card.

The bookies all thought Mosley was going to get annihilated as did everyone on here and look what happened there. Still, DeGale doesn't have the school run to contend with so he may be OK this weekend.

Think most accept DeGale is a better boxer but has yet to be tested and it's intriguing to see whether or not Groves can take Chunky out of his comfort zone.

One thing is for sure SKY will be so relieved and pleased they've hyped up Groves-Degale like they have and not spent too much time on Cleverly....

Considering Cleverly fight purses won't be paid and the resultant PPV cancellations might not be extreme..

They might even make more money than they would have otherwise done with the joint main event..

Who knows..

I was going to buy it but I'm not going to just for a stand in.

Have a feeling that Cleverly won't want to risk his title shot by fighting a substitute.....trained for Braehmer..

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:

rowley wrote:

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:Disagree.

IMO Khan v McCloskey was much more worthy of PPV than DeGale vs Groves.

Each to their own mate but whilst I agreed that Paul was about worthy of a shot I never thought for even a split second he would beat Khan which for me has to be a consideration when buying an event

Is anyone really giving Groves much of a chance?

Jukebox, I think Degale will have too much for him but Groves has a chance for sure. At the very least he has a punchers chance and also knows he can come through a crisis to win. Degale may well go on to be an all time great for all I know but I am reluctant to give him too lofty a status before seeing him come through a genuinely sticky moment. Maybe Groves can at least provide that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No one but the Irish were bothered about it.....What about Khan fans..They all Irish????...Stupid generalising tosh..

Jukey is right in essence... I mean I don't like the Company CEO maybe people could pay PPV for me to knock him out on sky...

Don't speak for everybody else..

Ok i'll go on how the many many many many many Irish fans based here and Khan fans all over Great Britain went to Primetime and bought the PPV there. All 50,000 of them. Wowsers. Bearing in mind Haye v Harrison did about ten times + that amount i think i'm more than welcome to air my views on how no-one really gave a tosh about it.

The forums have been more active with Degale v Groves articles, the media have picked up on it more etc etc. I'm not generalising you ignorant pig as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise the majority are looking forwards more to Degale vs Groves than Khan vs PM.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have a feeling that Cleverly won't want to risk his title shot by fighting a substitute.....trained for Braehmer..

Hard to know though Truss, have to think he will have shelled out for half decent sparring so will probably still want a payday to cover his expenses and lets be honest Warren is unlikely to line up superman at short notice. We are after all talking about a guy who put Bobby Gunn in a world title ring when he had time to get an opponent

Do you not think he took out insurance just in case this happened..

Thing is though rowley..Warren has such stock with the WBO maybe he can get the guy stripped even at such late notice and stick in a "ADEQUATE" replacement who may not even be in the current rankings for the title.

Wouldn't put it past him.

Wouldn't put it past him. To be honest Truss would be amazed if he did anything other than this

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6938664,00.html

It looks like there will be a stand in - the news has broken on the sky sports website. Nathan is talking about the stand in. Apparently they were aware 10 days ago.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have a feeling that Cleverly won't want to risk his title shot by fighting a substitute.....trained for Braehmer..

Truss, you may be right but Cleverly has always given me the impression that he will fight anyone and he may well decide to take a fight anyway. He has that certain arrogance (in a good way) about him and his attitude in the Murat fight was a good indicator of how independently he thinks. I remember his peple asking him to fight smart and use his jab/reach and Cleverly basically ignored them and stood toe to toe with the guy.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have a feeling that Cleverly won't want to risk his title shot by fighting a substitute.....trained for Braehmer..

Truss, you may be right but Cleverly has always given me the impression that he will fight anyone and he may well decide to take a fight anyway. He has that certain arrogance (in a good way) about him and his attitude in the Murat fight was a good indicator of how independently he thinks. I remember his peple asking him to fight smart and use his jab/reach and Cleverly basically ignored them and stood toe to toe with the guy.

Plus he has been training to face a southpaw for the the past few weeks. Another spanner in the works.

Khan was on PPV before he won the title....which means he has a huge following...The primetime stuff means nothing..Some people obviously didn't need the complication of changing their ppv etc......

Don't tell me that only Irish people were interested. If they'll pay for Khan re title they'll pay for him post title..

Khan has never been a box-office hit.

That's why Sky took him off their PPV platform. I know this might confuse you Truss but there's a breakeven point which Khan was struggling to hit, it costs a small fortune for a to get a fight on PPV as to make it a success the levels of advertising (for one) have to substantially increase etc.

Find me a link whereby it will show me that Khan has a "huge following" like JC, Naz or Hatton did. Because "huge followings" don't have the PPV platform provider removing it from their PPV listing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't that fight sell all of 50 advance PPV orders?!?!?!? Yup, he's got a huge following!

Thanks, i'm here all week my somewhat dim American poster

Dazstarr wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have a feeling that Cleverly won't want to risk his title shot by fighting a substitute.....trained for Braehmer..

Truss, you may be right but Cleverly has always given me the impression that he will fight anyone and he may well decide to take a fight anyway. He has that certain arrogance (in a good way) about him and his attitude in the Murat fight was a good indicator of how independently he thinks. I remember his peple asking him to fight smart and use his jab/reach and Cleverly basically ignored them and stood toe to toe with the guy.

Plus he has been training to face a southpaw for the the past few weeks. Another spanner in the works.

Something else to consider Daz! I bet Warren has his phone glued to his ear right now!

Khan was only taken off because of the undercard not being up to strength for a PPV event..

All PPV events tend to have at least one good supporting fight...Here or in the USA...

Stop trying to change facts......

The fact Warren is close to SKY obviously had no bearing on the decision..

Surely the best option for a replacement is viacheslev Uzelkov. despite a less than stellar last performance against Shumenov in which he still dropped the champion.
The guy is top 20 in the WBO with some good victories against fighters ranked above him and he's due to fight in an eight rounder next saturday so should be fit enough and close enough to the weight to step in with Clev this weekend.

Depends on how much he wants and they are rpepared to offer him...Late notice for someone good.

Late notice fighters usually get a hefty sum, hopefully they will get someone half decent who at least will give Nathan a test and wont be a complete pushover.

Still cant decide whether to get this or not.

Can't believe Sky are going too put this still on PPV.Looks like i'll be watching on a stream then.

Sky have ploughed a lot of money into it already.

Bellew is only 6 1/2 pounds over

Scottrf wrote:Sky have ploughed a lot of money into it already.

Bellew is only 6 1/2 pounds over

Oh dear! This is getting worse by the minute.

Khan v Mccloskey did nearly 70K PPV buys on Primetime!! That's pretty good for a fight with no real publicity. I would be surprised if DeGale v Groves does much more than half that, and that's with all the SKY PR.

I doubt Groves or DeGale have more than a handfull of true fans that would follow them around the country. Both have a fraction of the support of Khan or Mccloskey.

Who can ever remember two fighters who have never even head-lined a card before, headlining a PPV. WHat a joke. As someone has mentioned this fight is only still on SKY PPV because Warren is behind it.

There's no way Warren will get anyone decent in for Cleverly. No serious fighter is going to take this at 4 days notice. Expect some unheard of eastern-european bum.

Another vacant title for Nathan, that's all vacant ones so far. Hopefully he beats his opponent in style unlike last time. And no bitching and crying like last time as well