Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

[Pr4wn]

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Strong staff for us, I'm excited for next season!

[GSC]

As much as Incognito and Pouncey are dicks, is this really outrageous for a NFL locker room. The reactions from the Dolphins players said it all for me really. I'd imagine both Martin an Incognito are done in the NFL

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I can't believe Philbin had no clue it was going on, and if that's true to be so outta touch with what's going on in your locker room can't be a good thing!

Incognito is done. Martin might get another shot

[NYJ]

Martin has psychological issues and won't play in the NFL until he gets his mental health sorted.

[Lowlandbrit]

In other news, the Darren Sharper story is looking pretty ugly too.

[GSC]

I'd be very surprised if he played in the NFL again. Firstly he just wasn't very good. You have to be tough physical and mentally to play OL so that likely counts against him too. Finally it's a tough sell to your locker room for a guy who walked out on Miami. Sam probably has a better chance of integrating into a locker room than Martin.

[Pr4wn]

That Sharper story isn't on the NFL website. Odd.

[Lowlandbrit]

That Sharper story isn't on the NFL website. Odd.

Well, considering he was working for NFL Network at the time...

[Pr4wn]

That's what I was getting at :-)

[NYJ]

A large majority of ex-players in the media are garbage. Heath Evans is the worst though.

[GSC]

Yeah he is. Always gives me a chuckle re reading his reaction to Chips hiring

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122162/article/philadelphia-eagles-hire-of-chip-kelly-could-be-nfls-worst-ever

The Stanford one is my favorite. Chip got outcoached by a very good coach/team a couple of times. Oh no

[mikeygnfl]

Anyone else seen the 'rumour' that the Cowboys have traded Romo to the Texans.

[GSC]

If I have I probably dismissed it tbh

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

That'd be beyond stupid even for Dallas

[mikeygnfl]

Anquan Boldin is reportedly in talks with the 49ers over a new contract.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Manziel won't throw at the combine. Silly move IMO

Teams can now use the franchise tag for two weeks.

Ray Rice got done for domestic violence

[sodhat]

Well it's more aggression than he showed running the ball last season.

[GSC]

No highly rated prospect ever throws at the combine. Nothing to gain.

[sodhat]

Luck threw and so did Cam.

Luck probably couldn't have been a more highly rated prospect.

[GSC]

Luck didn't.

Why throw a couple of times to an unknown WR when you can do a much more detailed programme at your pro day with a WR you've thrown to all season.

[sodhat]

Someone needs to tell Matt Miller that, because his latest scouting notes has it wrong...

My apologies to you still

[NYJ]

I don't want a QB who shies away from showcasing his talents. 'Oh no I might be bad because I don't know the receivers I'm throwing to.' Get a grip.

That goes for you too AJ McCarron.

[GSC]

It's really nothing to do with that. You gain nothing by doing it.

[NYJ]

It's really nothing to do with that. You gain nothing by doing it.

But throwing at your pro day does gain something? I want a confident QB that wants to prove his talents. There's questions about Manziel's ability to throw the ball from the pocket, so why not prove everyone wrong by throwing at the Combine and not in a very very very friendly environment at the Texas A&M pro day?

He can't throw the ball standing still or without his big receiver. Just like AJ McCarron can't cope with anything without his nice roomy pocket behind his NFL calibre Linemen.

[GSC]

How is throwing a couple of passes to a random WR going to prove he can stand tall in the pocket. As I say, no upside for established high draft picks to do it, so there's really no point.

[NYJ]

How is throwing a couple of passes to a random WR going to prove he can stand tall in the pocket. As I say, no upside for established high draft picks to do it, so there's really no point.

What is the point in the throwing drill at the combine then? We should just get rid of it since it doesn't matter.

[GSC]

Makes sense.

The best use of the combine is allowing lesser prospects to stand out and boost their stock. Top prospects can only hurt their stock.

[NYJ]

The main benefits of the combine are the interview stage and official measurements.

[GSC]

And the annual tamperfest between agents and gms

[mikeygnfl]

I don't want a QB who shies away from showcasing his talents. 'Oh no I might be bad because I don't know the receivers I'm throwing to.' Get a grip.

It's really nothing to do with that. You gain nothing by doing it.

While a coach/ scout maybe be a little concerned about a QB not wanting to throw to new recievers, I am not sure the the combine/ pro days are that important in 'showcasing' a prospects talent. These pre-draft events are more about their persona/ how they communicate with teams/ how they handle the media.

[mikeygnfl]

Two surveys online included results such as:-

86% of NFL players don't mind having a gay teammate (51 players from ESPN)
8% of fans want to see more bullying in the locker room (1500 fans on walterfootball)

[CJB]

Anyone interested in taking San Francisco 49ers in the fantasy game. Have added McCoy and Marshall so a top quality side. Should be a laugh

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Deangelo Hall agreed to an extension. Said to be 5m per year.

Mike Mayock is speaking for a long time

[NYJ]

Blake Bortles on Twitter:

Dreamt about the combine since I was a kid! Fired up to compete in all aspects of it, especially throwing!

That's what it's all about.

[GSC]

He dreamt about the combine?

[sodhat]

I watched Bortles against Baylor the other day out of curiosity because I'd not really sat and seen him for a while. Needing a reasonable amount of polish I think, if he fell to Oakland at #5 I'm not certain I'd want to take him. Good mobility though, and I suppose I only watched one game.

[GSC]

That's Bortles. NFL size, just needs coaching up

I'd want Manziel in Chips offense and Bridgewater in general though.

Marqise Lee all the way tho

[Number-25]

Deangelo Hall agreed to an extension. Said to be 5m per year.

Makes sense for us. He was our best player on D last season by a distance. So many needs elsewhere on the roster that it makes sense to keep a vet like Hall around who is still capable of playing well. Seems to have matured a lot over the last couple of years. Only reservation is that he tends to play his best football when in a contract year so here's hoping that new found maturity means that this is no longer the case and that he earns his money. It's the going rate for a starting CB but I'll be interested to see how much money is guaranteed.

[NYJ]

Fred Davis has been "suspended indefinitely" for violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy.

[GSC]

Had potential a few years ago. Probably done now

[mikeygnfl]

From what I have seen of Bortles he looks very raw. His throwing action reminds me of Tim Tebow. Any team looking to take him in the first round would be taking a risk, in my opinion. I feel there are plenty of good enough QBs in this draft but don't think Bortles is one of them.

[Number-25]

Fred Davis has been "suspended indefinitely" for violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy.

Bit of a shame but not surprising. Maturity was always his problem. Bags of talent but lacked the maturity to realise he needed to work at his game and knuckle down. Someone might take a punt on him down the line once he's reinstated cos for the vet minimum you could get a very talented pass catching TE with albeit limited blocking skills. He's a tube though.

[sodhat]

From what I have seen of Bortles he looks very raw. His throwing action reminds me of Tim Tebow. Any team looking to take him in the first round would be taking a risk, in my opinion. I feel there are plenty of good enough QBs in this draft but don't think Bortles is one of them.

That's where I am with him too. The only QBs I'd take at #5 overall are Bridgewater and Manziel.

I'd rather us take Clowney or Watkins and then look at a QB in round two. We've probably got a shot at Garropolo there, and if he continues to push his stock up I'd be happy with that.

[GSC]

His name is Garoppolo. He will not succeed

[sodhat]

He has too confusing a name for my liking.

Of course he won't succeed if he's drafted by Oakland. But he's just as reasonable an option as Bortles.

I still think we might go and get either Vick or Freeman in FA and let them start ahead of a developmental prospect.

[Lowlandbrit]

The only QBs I'd take at #5 overall are Bridgewater and Manziel

I'd be nervous about Manziel that high. I can see him having a great first season, but I can't see him lasting long playing the way he does.

[NYJ]

I hate Manziel with a passion. He will not succeed in the NFL.

[CFCNick]

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Quite a few reports say Houston want to take Bortles first overall...

[GSC]

You should ignore pre draft reports at all times, especially 3 months before the draft

[GSC]

Police apparently have video of Ray Rice knocking out his fiancé.

Don't expect to see him week 1 then.

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