What Is Going On In Wales Pt.2

by ScarletSpiderman Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

Following on from the old thread -: https://www.606v2.com/t50378-what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-wales

Intotouch wrote:Hello knowledgeable Welsh friends. I've read some extraordinary things lately about the war between the regions and the union in Wales, but being an outsider, and not following this closely for years I'm not sure what's real and what's nonsense. Can someone please help clarify a few things for me?

1. I read that the WRU have a deal with the regions that they will each be given the same amount of money annually by the union for the next five years. This was interpreted by some as the union deciding to slowly let the regions go bust so they can set up new regions that they would own. Is this really the case? It sounds completely crazy to me! Wouldn't this be a disaster in Welsh rugby and couldn't they try to buy the regions instead since they have more money now? Could this really be a plan?

2. The WRU is making a profit and with the millenium stadium paid off should have plenty of money to splash about in the future. (Or do they?) As they won't give more money to the regions this suggests that they want the regions to founder (see above).

3. Although the WRU pay millions to the regions annually they have little or no say in how they are run so are deeply frustrated with the regions. Also the regions can't stand the WRU even though they're keeping them afloat. Is this true and why?

4. The WRU offered central contracts to the players in the regions but the regions rejected this. Even though they would have a smaller wage bill if it went ahead. Why?
The regions have the lowest salary cap in Europe and keep losing their best players. But the regions won't let the WRU pay the internationals out of a central contract. As players have to be released anyway to play for Wales I don't see why the clubs wouldn't be delighted to do this. Are they afraid that they would lose them to too many training camps? I don't follow the logic of this. If the WRU paid the players then surely the regions would be able to keep more of their best players playing in Wales which surely would benefit them as they'd have stronger teams. Again I don't get why this is such a problem.

(Please don't include the possible move to the AP on this thread. It's being debated elsewhere.)

The original thread hit 1,000+ posts without descending into a bicker-fest, let's try to keep this thread going in the same manner.

by wayne Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:04 am

Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

by geoff999rugby Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:11 am

wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

Really have there been any so far - please list them.

Only 1 Central Contract is the only one of any substance I can think of

by wayne Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:27 am

geoff999rugby wrote:
wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

Really have there been any so far - please list them.

Only 1 Central Contract is the only one of any substance I can think of

I knew it would be an Oirish to reply first, as I said to another of your countrymen, only comment when you have done the Research and know the facts

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:59 am

Facts................. laughing

606 - facts.

by Allty Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:11 am

[quote="wayne"]Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced. [/quote]

It will be the first if it happens. The regions so far have taken a serious beating

by Welsh Magician Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:20 am

Allty wrote:
wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

It will be the first if it happens. The regions so far have taken a serious beating

How? I thought it was the Unions who have taken a good beating over Europe.

by wayne Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:12 am

SecretFly wrote:Facts.................







606 - facts.

facts. Why? What would you know about facts? Just Research or Wait

by wayne Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:17 am

Allty wrote:
wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

It will be the first if it happens. The regions so far have taken a serious beating

Allty by all accounts you cannot call someone an idiot on here, so what I do with you and Welshmushroom is totally ignore you, I shall not respond to your points as they are delusional.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:32 am

wayne wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Facts.................







606 - facts.
facts. Why? What would you know about facts? Just Research or Wait

Facts - I know as little or as much about them as you do wayne. Facts and 606 aren't exactly sweet bedfellows. It's almost a contradiction in terms to ask someone to engage in 'fact' here. Opinion is premium on 606 and 'facts' are modified to suit opinions quite a lot.

Anyway, you've already done the 'research' Tell us the big thing that's coming!!!!. Don't hold us in suspense.

by Guest Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:22 am

wayne wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

Really have there been any so far - please list them.

Only 1 Central Contract is the only one of any substance I can think of

I knew it would be an Oirish to reply first, as I said to another of your countrymen, only comment when you have done the Research and know the facts

Ahem... what you did do was deflect when asked to produce some facts yourself. Took to your heels, you did Run

Now that's fact! Very Happy

by Allty Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:48 am

[quote="wayne"][quote="Allty"][quote="wayne"]Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced. [/quote]

It will be the first if it happens. The regions so far have taken a serious beating[/quote]
Allty by all accounts you cannot call someone an idiot on here, so what I do with you and Welshmushroom is totally ignore you, I shall not respond to your points as they are delusional. [/quote]

Thats your call Wayne but I do not know how anyone can support a group of mismanaged regions who have been prepared to desert their Rabo league partners.

by geoff999rugby Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:44 pm

wayne wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
wayne wrote:Apparently, another kick in the teeth to the Dodger is imminently about to be announced.

Really have there been any so far - please list them.

Only 1 Central Contract is the only one of any substance I can think of

I knew it would be an Oirish to reply first, as I said to another of your countrymen, only comment when you have done the Research and know the facts

So when I ask for facts you don't produce any.

With your knowledge of Welsh rugby it shouldn't be too difficult to provide a list to educate us outsiders.
If you don't I can only conclude there aren't any.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:48 pm

Yawn - apparently Adam Jones could be staying with the Ospreys. I'm sure that the little regionalers will be jumping up and down with joy declaring a mighty victory over the evil tyranny of the WRU - zzzz

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:53 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: the little regionalers

Your prejudice against genuine rugby people does your reputation no favours.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:11 pm

Rest assured, Chunky, that what you and your ilk think of me has zero bearing on my life Cool

by wayne Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:17 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Yawn - apparently Adam Jones could be staying with the Ospreys. I'm sure that the little regionalers will be jumping up and down with joy declaring a mighty victory over the evil tyranny of the WRU - zzzz

,
So, you did a bit of Research, Munchkin I gave you a weekend to do some Research (NOTE THE CAPITAL R) you chose to ignore the advice, I didn't run anywhere. That is 4 to the Regions, 1 going abroad and 1 to the WRU, for all of the Dodgers rhetoric, what was WRUburton offered to accept the deal. He (Dodger) has been found out to be a liar on various issues over the past 5 or 6 years, the latest of which was the Offer to the Regions of cash to reimburse them because of the ERC debacle, it was NOT an offer it was a right under the 2009 Participation Agreement. Allty if you actually did some Research and had an open mind, you would change your mind, because when I started to support the Ospreys I did it to support the WRU, it was only because of the WRU intransigence that my allegiances changed.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:24 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Rest assured, Chunky, that what you and your ilk think of me has zero bearing on my life

Classy.

The Irish know best.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:28 pm

And, wayne, did WRU not win the big one as in grinding out the rebellion that would have taken Welsh Regions to the AP (or some such competition)?

Or maybe there is more research to be done there and nothing is written till a fat lady sings.

But...who is really winning anything in the war between WRU Wales and Regions Wales? Has anybody won? Or was it all much too much linen washed in public by grown business men of all persuasions who should have, and could have, had the maturity to sort things out in private - like professionals who have a job and responsibilities rather than like two tribes on a publically exposed battlefield?

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:29 pm

One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

by Allty Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:34 pm

I'm Welsh and the regions have let themselves down

by Guest Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:34 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:34 pm

Allty wrote:I'm Welsh and the regions have let themselves down

By wanting to exist?

Shame on them.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:36 pm

Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:41 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

That's your opinion, Chunky. Others disagree with that opinion...even other Welsh people disagree with that opinion. Opinions are biased people mostly.

As an Irish person, my opinion is that your destiny is yours. I'm a passing-interest observer, as I'm sure many of my countrymen are. You'd be happier if we just ignored the Welsh and their issues even though we play against them each and every year?
Of course we're going to have a passing interest in the internal dynamics of rugby in Wales. But you are on your own and I've marked my card already on this one.
If Welsh regions are happy to play Pro12 into the future after sorting out their issues with WRU - so be it and welcome back.
If Welsh regions had their hearts and souls set on playing their more 'traditional' foes in a new Anglo Welsh competition then I'm on record as saying that would have been their opinion and right to do so in conjunction with any legal stuff they'd have to stamp off on with WRU. Farewell, it was nice knowing you for the duration, was my opinion on that chosen route for the regions.

The regions and Welsh rugby will decide their own future and no Irish 606er is going to influence any of that. BUT...we will reserve the right to show up anywhere on these pages and offer our opinions. That we will keep doing.

by Guest Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:44 pm

wayne wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Yawn - apparently Adam Jones could be staying with the Ospreys. I'm sure that the little regionalers will be jumping up and down with joy declaring a mighty victory over the evil tyranny of the WRU - zzzz
,
So, you did a bit of Research, Munchkin I gave you a weekend to do some Research (NOTE THE CAPITAL R) you chose to ignore the advice, I didn't run anywhere. That is 4 to the Regions, 1 going abroad and 1 to the WRU, for all of the Dodgers rhetoric, what was WRUburton offered to accept the deal. He (Dodger) has been found out to be a liar on various issues over the past 5 or 6 years, the latest of which was the Offer to the Regions of cash to reimburse them because of the ERC debacle, it was NOT an offer it was a right under the 2009 Participation Agreement. Allty if you actually did some Research and had an open mind, you would change your mind, because when I started to support the Ospreys I did it to support the WRU, it was only because of the WRU intransigence that my allegiances changed.

You gave me a weekend. Very generous of you Very Happy

You ask a question on Warbs payment (last heard it was around £300k). You then make assertions about Lewis lying. No facts. Facts wayne! Feed me facts!

That's all. Thank you Very Happy

by Guest Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:47 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

Garbage. There is absolutely no reason RRW couldn't have attended the recent ERC meetings. Even PRL managed to send a representative. Some of you make it up as you go along.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:50 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

That's your opinion, Chunky. Others disagree with that opinion...even other Welsh people disagree with that opinion. Opinions are biased people mostly.

As an Irish person, my opinion is that your destiny is yours. I'm a passing-interest observer, as I'm sure many of my countrymen are. You'd be happier if we just ignored the Welsh and their issues even though we play against them each and every year?
Of course we're going to have a passing interest in the internal dynamics of rugby in Wales. But you are on your own and I've marked my card already on this one.
If Welsh regions are happy to play Pro12 into the future after sorting out their issues with WRU - so be it and welcome back.
If Welsh regions had their hearts and souls set on playing their more 'traditional' foes in a new Anglo Welsh competition then I'm on record as saying that would have been their opinion and right to do so in conjunction with any legal stuff they'd have to stamp off on with WRU. Farewell, it was nice knowing you for the duration, was my opinion on that chosen route for the regions.

The regions and Welsh rugby will decide their own future and no Irish 606er is going to influence any of that. BUT...we will reserve the right to show up anywhere on these pages and offer our opinions. That we will keep doing.

This is a perfect example of why the Irish miss the point time and time again. At the moment, the destiny isn't ours. We can't decide our own future. Because the very people that are supposed to support us, want to destroy us. Why can't you get that into your heads?

Opinions are fine. But the Irish think their model MUST be the one copied across the board because it suits them. Whilst ignoring the main constraints faced. Blinkered, blazerists.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:08 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

This is a perfect example of why the Irish miss the point time and time again. At the moment, the destiny isn't ours. We can't decide our own future. Because the very people that are supposed to support us, want to destroy us. Why can't you get that into your heads?

Opinions are fine. But the Irish think their model MUST be the one copied across the board because it suits them. Whilst ignoring the main constraints faced. Blinkered, blazerists.

The Bazerists are the ones controlling winning Welsh rugby (as the rollickin' French game yet again attests to Wink

) And the players (regional though they be) only become winning players (Adam Jones amongst them) when they link up to the bit of Welsh rugby controlled by the Blazerists.

The Regions, in isolation of WRU- well what are they achieving?.......................

The Irish model is a model, that's all. The English one is also a model...but don't be fooled by propaganda saying the clubs in England control every single facet of their League and are autonomous in their entirety. They don't, and many of the controlling rules of that League come straight from RFU headquarters.

Again, couldn't care less what 'Model' Welsh rugby adopts - that is their business. I include all of you when I mention destiny. All of you... WRU, regions, clubs - Welsh rugby, deciding for itself what it decides on.

You resent the outside opinion because you just resent...outside opinions - that don't tally with yours.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:

The Bazerists are the ones controlling winning Welsh rugby (as the rollickin' French game yet again attests to ) And the players (regional though they be) only become winning players (Adam Jones amongst them) when they link up to the bit of Welsh rugby controlled by the Blazerists.

AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TIER BELOW FOR GOODNESS SAKE.

You resent the outside opinion because you just resent...outside opinions - that don't tally with yours.

That's just made up nonsense.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:29 pm

Christ it's like conversing with Goldfish.

by Cardiff Dave Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:31 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

That's your opinion, Chunky. Others disagree with that opinion...even other Welsh people disagree with that opinion. Opinions are biased people mostly.

Try googling Gareth Davies, Dragons chief exec or Andrew Hore of the Os. GD was interviewed at the Arms Park, new years day, live on tv stating that the WRU refused to negotiate the 6 points the regions wanted to discuss.
And other Welsh people would disagree mostly because they do not support any of the 4 and never have, never will.
Anyway i'm sick and tired of it all. Been going on for way too long now and there's always been something simmering for as long as I can remember.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:35 pm

No..not at the expence of the tier below...as an example to the tier below.

These players are the same kinds of players. The same players who walk off Regional training grounds into International.

When in Welsh shirts, the steam leaves their ears (much like it does yours Wink

) with pride and conviction - personal pride, personal conviction - not imposed by WRU laws or regulations. An enitity they want to lay down everything they have for.

Regional doesn't move the players in the same way. Why? Are Regional bosses responsible for nothing? Not the money, not the autonomy, not the players they bring in, not the results they get, not the coaches they employ? Regions do nothing to effect their own positions and the lack of blood-thirsty drive in their players and overall squads? Regional bosses are responsible for none of it - and the WRU is responsible for all of it?

by Cardiff Dave Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:36 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

As do many Welsh.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:40 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

As do many Welsh.

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

Can't have it both ways, Dave. Either people want to talk or they don't. If they want to talk they attend meetings. "Only talk when the issues we want to talk about are the only topics" ?

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:44 pm

SecretFly wrote:No..not at the expence of the tier below...as an example to the tier below.

These players are the same kinds of players. The same players who walk off Regional training grounds into International.

When in Welsh shirts, the steam leaves their ears (much like it does yours ) with pride and conviction - personal pride, personal conviction - not imposed by WRU laws or regulations. An enitity they want to lay down everything they have for.

Regional doesn't move the players in the same way. Why? Are Regional bosses responsible for nothing? Not the money, not the autonomy, not the players they bring in, not the results they get, not the coaches they employ? Regions do nothing to effect their own positions and the lack of blood-thirsty drive in their players and overall squads? Regional bosses are responsible for none of it - and the WRU is responsible for all of it?

Nice to see you've started playing the man instead of the ball. Poor dab.

It's the coaching. Clearly. Regional rugby has far poorer coaches. And apparently that's because it is in the current awesome participation agreement that all regions must have welsh qualified coaches as head coaches.

I have said this time and time and time again on here. But you don't listen. Ever. You're blinded by the pro Union stance with your fingers in your ears.

That's before you look at the amount of time the players are spending away from their regions at camp Wales.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:45 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

As do many Welsh.

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

Can't have it both ways, Dave. Either people want to talk or they don't. If they want to talk they attend meetings. "Only talk when the issues we want to talk about are the only topics" ?

Oh. my. gawd.

You really haven't got a clue what is going on in Wales have you.

I hadn't realised the extent of your ignorance today. I apologise.

by Cardiff Dave Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:48 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

As do many Welsh.

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

Can't have it both ways, Dave. Either people want to talk or they don't. If they want to talk they attend meetings. "Only talk when the issues we want to talk about are the only topics" ?

I'm on about WRU refusing to negotiate with the 4 regions re the pa and sorting Welsh rugby. Not that ERC 5min get together.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:52 pm

Why would the WRU want to continue the current participation agreement for a further 5 years, when that same agreement has just led to the biggest mass exodus of players ever and the least successful period in welsh domestic rugby ever?

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:52 pm

Chunky..read your own posts..."the man not the ball?" You're practically a champion man-not-the-ball player.

If you throw out a directed smirk expect to get one or two back. This is adult school - none of us are children waiting for our mammies to take us home.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:55 pm

SecretFly wrote:Chunky..read your own posts..."the man not the ball?" You're practically a champion man-not-the-ball player.

If you throw out a directed smirk expect to get one or two back. This is adult school - none of us are children waiting for our mammies to take us home.

Why would the WRU want to continue the current participation agreement for a further 5 years, when that same agreement has just led to the biggest mass exodus of players ever and the least successful period in welsh domestic rugby ever?

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:57 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:One side wants to talk and negotiate. The other wants to halt proceedings in the hope that the regions die.

Irish people ignore this.

As do many Welsh.

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
...and one side pathetically refuses to attend meetings, including meetings which discuss, and decide, allocation of ERC revenue. Then that one side whines when funding is put on hold....

Eh? Refusinng to attend meetings?

It's a clear conflict of interest that's why. If you can't see that you are mental.

Can't have it both ways, Dave. Either people want to talk or they don't. If they want to talk they attend meetings. "Only talk when the issues we want to talk about are the only topics" ?

I'm on about WRU refusing to negotiate with the 4 regions re the pa and sorting Welsh rugby. Not that ERC 5min get together.

There is no difference. One guy not wanting to talk about one thing, other guys staying away from a meeting as a sulk at not getting their way? Chunky seems to think Contradictions don't abound in both of his posts I allude to. Surely you can see it. If one side wants to negotiate... they must be ready to discuss things that they mightn't want to discuss. That's negotiation. "Just talk about our stuff" doesn't cut it at the negotiation table.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:00 pm

SecretFly wrote:
There is no difference. One guy not wanting to talk about one thing, other guys staying away from a meeting as a sulk at not getting their way? Chunky seems to think Contradictions don't abound in both of his posts I allude to. Surely you can see it. If one side wants to negotiate... they must be ready to discuss things that they mightn't want to discuss. That's negotiation. "Just talk about our stuff" doesn't cut it at the negotiation table.

You haven't got a clue. Gallacher resigned from his ERC directorship so as not to be forced to vote against the regions in favouring the with-holding of competition monies.

In your world he should have stayed on, been part of a board that voted for the with-holding of payments, as legally required to do - and therefore directly oppose the survival of the 4 regions. Crazier than a kettle full of worms.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:03 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Chunky..read your own posts..."the man not the ball?" You're practically a champion man-not-the-ball player.

If you throw out a directed smirk expect to get one or two back. This is adult school - none of us are children waiting for our mammies to take us home.

Why would the WRU want to continue the current participation agreement for a further 5 years, when that same agreement has just led to the biggest mass exodus of players ever and the least successful period in welsh domestic rugby ever?

You tell me..the truth seems to be that they do. The mass exodus is due to lack of pay, due to lack of sponsorship and reputation, due to lack of (European) success. The games on the field, when most Welsh players who are now going away were still in situ, was not the standard that forced the Welsh Regions into the centre of European consciousness, where the power, money, big sponsors and reputation are.
The game on the field, generating its own successful climate... that's the ideal - isn't it? Or do you disagree with me there too?

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:05 pm

SecretFly wrote:

You tell me..the truth seems to be that they do. The mass exodus is due to lack of pay, due to lack of sponsorship and reputation, due to lack of (European) success. The games on the field, when most Welsh players who are now going away were still in situ, was not the standard that forced the Welsh Regions into the centre of European consciousness, where the power, money, big sponsors and reputation are.
The game on the field, generating its own successful climate... that's the ideal - isn't it? Or do you disagree with me there too?

I rest my case. ^

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:06 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
There is no difference. One guy not wanting to talk about one thing, other guys staying away from a meeting as a sulk at not getting their way? Chunky seems to think Contradictions don't abound in both of his posts I allude to. Surely you can see it. If one side wants to negotiate... they must be ready to discuss things that they mightn't want to discuss. That's negotiation. "Just talk about our stuff" doesn't cut it at the negotiation table.

You haven't got a clue. Gallacher resigned from his ERC directorship so as not to be forced to vote against the regions in favouring the with-holding of competition monies.

In your world he should have stayed on, been part of a board that voted for the with-holding of payments, as legally required to do - and therefore directly oppose the survival of the 4 regions. Crazier than a kettle full of worms.

PRL did. The Regions body model themselves on the PRL, don't they? But no, the PRL double dealed the Regions there too. Nice friends.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:08 pm

Meanwhile Olly Barkley has left France for Wales and praised the Regions (or as he puts it "Anglo Saxon Britain") for the professionalism of their set ups and facilities. Run down the regions all you like, at least they have decent toilets unlike the french.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:09 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

You tell me..the truth seems to be that they do. The mass exodus is due to lack of pay, due to lack of sponsorship and reputation, due to lack of (European) success. The games on the field, when most Welsh players who are now going away were still in situ, was not the standard that forced the Welsh Regions into the centre of European consciousness, where the power, money, big sponsors and reputation are.
The game on the field, generating its own successful climate... that's the ideal - isn't it? Or do you disagree with me there too?

I rest my case. ^

You disagree? The game with the ball on the field has no significance to the money generating, profit margin, BT marketing, loadsa AP money, autonomy for all negotations that have been going and not going for the last few months?

If that's your position - then yeah, I rest my case too.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:10 pm

SecretFly wrote:

PRL did. The Regions body model themselves on the PRL, don't thay? But no, the PRL double dealed the Regions there too. Nice friends.

PRL aren't in the middle of a battle to determine the future of the game in England. They can afford to have Wheeler on the board.

by Chunky Norwich Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

You tell me..the truth seems to be that they do. The mass exodus is due to lack of pay, due to lack of sponsorship and reputation, due to lack of (European) success. The games on the field, when most Welsh players who are now going away were still in situ, was not the standard that forced the Welsh Regions into the centre of European consciousness, where the power, money, big sponsors and reputation are.
The game on the field, generating its own successful climate... that's the ideal - isn't it? Or do you disagree with me there too?

I rest my case. ^

You disagree? The game with the ball on the field has no significance to the money generating, profit margin, BT marketing, loadsa AP money, autonomy for all negotations that have been going and not going for the last few months?

If that's your position - then yeah, I rest my case too.

I rest my case that you haven't got a scooby doo about what is going on in Welsh Rugby. And the only point you are offering is that WRU = good and Regions = bad.

Blazerism. Union apologist. sickening.

by SecretFly Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:26 pm

I'm wrong because I'm an Irish man who hasn't a clue what's going on in Welsh rugby.

Your Welsh countrymen are wrong because they are biased and support the Unions over the Regions

You are slendidly right in all areas because you support the Regions and the Regions are always right.

Nice logic.

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