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He'd definitely be in my top 10 strikers of my time.

Gregers wrote:Top 3 players ever?

Ronaldo
Messi
Raul

Zidane has to be in there

I was going on Viva's rule of having to have seen them a lot, I idolised Raul growing up.

The problem with a top 3 is the likes of Zidane, Figo, Fat Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Olivier Khan and Ineista etc all have to miss out

VivaPaulScholes wrote:He'd definitely be in my top 10 strikers of my time.

Who else would be?

My time is probably 1996 to present, and so I'd say (no special order):

Gabriel Batistuta
Alan Shearer
Christian Vieri
Ronaldo (Nazario de Lima)
Dennis Bergkamp
Lionel Messi
Thierry Henry
Francesco Totti
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Raul

I've only included players that play predominantly down the middle here too. So no CR7.

Gregers wrote:I was going on Viva's rule of having to have seen them a lot, I idolised Raul growing up.

The problem with a top 3 is the likes of Zidane, Figo, Fat Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Olivier Khan and Ineista etc all have to miss out

All great players. Its impossible to pick a three of all time. The best players I have seen play in the flesh....

Ronaldo
Dennis Bergkamp
Eric Cantona

Top 10 strikers? I'll go with out and out strikers so no Messi or CR&

Raul
Zola
Shearer
Bergkamp
Drogba
Henry
van Nistelrooy
Zlatan
Fat Ronaldo
Owen

top 3 players ever:

Ronnie
Messi
Me

Ronaldo (Brazil) 
Batistuta 
Shearer 
Inzaghi 
Shevchenko 
Raul
Henry
V. Nistelrooy 
Crespo 
Eto'o 

No order and I've gone for proper strikers, otherwise Bergkamp would definitely be on that list and Totti. From that list 5 played a lot of their time in Seria A, I used to love Italian Football. My mates who'd say Italian football is boring never understood the beauty of Seria A.

Top 10 strikers?

Me
Zlatan
Cantona
Zola
Bergkamp
Henry
Rudd
Yorke & Cole (count as one due to their telepathy)
Batigol
Fat Ronaldo
Raul
Pippo

OHHH Crespo & Sheva were sick in Italy.
Batigol & Pippo were my favs from Seria A.
Christian Vieri gets a mention too, he was a beast. Always remember his block head on ISS.

Viva, I would of said Bergkamp is a proper striker.
Everyone on my list was better than Shearer. Apart from his Blackburn season Shearer wasnt that good. Just hyped up for being English. Teddy was better

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Ronaldo (Brazil) 
Batistuta 
Shearer 
Inzaghi 
Shevchenko 
Raul
Henry
V. Nistelrooy 
Crespo 
Eto'o 

No order and I've gone for proper strikers, otherwise Bergkamp would definitely be on that list and Totti. From that list 5 played a lot of their time in Seria A, I used to love Italian Football. My mates who'd say Italian football is boring never understood the beauty of Seria A.

I thought about Crespo if only for his mad good skills on CM 2001-02.

Inzaghi and Shevchenko just missed out too. Although Inzaghi probably wouldn't make my list because of his propensity to be a) offside and b) guilty of missing a few stinkers.

Sheva was sick at Dynamo Kyiv. Smashed the Champions League that one year with 10 goals. #Badman

Plenty to choose from. The likes of Kluivert, Toni, Larsson, not even mentioned.

Larsson was class. But his run in thr scott league doesnt quite put him up the top lot for me.
Kluivert was good at Ajax & Barca, after that he was donkey poop

I wouldn't class Bergkamp as a striker, more of a second striker but he would definitely make my list if I was doing both main striker and second striker.

An the Shearer thing I actual feel that he was underrated for being English, if he was Italian or German he'd be rated as the best. You can't put Zola on that list.

I'd also have put Del Piero in if I wasn't sticking to just pure strikers. I remember watching him against Udinese when he had that knee Injury. I was only 10 at the time but I'm sure the defender fouled him in the box but no penalty was given. Maybe they all forgot or were in shock after Del Boy went off on a stretcher.

Zola was a magician. So good.

BTW Viva, you & Afro have to reverse that transfer deal. It isnt fair by a mile. Last week or not. Rules are rules. Marky isnt here but Im sure he would agree with me.

Zola was good only because in England we were not used to magic players. Reading Bergkamps book they said Zola was a average to decent player, players like him were common in Italy hence him being a bench boy in Italy. 

Why do I have to reverse the deal? It's last game of the season, that's why a players value drops.

Thank you Nick for being a caring manager and spotting the fault in that deal.

Whatever you have against Zola you cannot deny his class, man could do everything

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:OHHH Crespo & Sheva were sick in Italy.
Batigol & Pippo were my favs from Seria A.
Christian Vieri gets a mention too, he was a beast. Always remember his block head on ISS.

Viva, I would of said Bergkamp is a proper striker.
Everyone on my list was better than Shearer. Apart from his Blackburn season Shearer wasnt that good. Just hyped up for being English. Teddy was better

Are you serious?

Look at his goal record again, domestic and international and say he had one good season or wasn't that good. His record stacks up against any great strikers.

Gregers wrote:Whatever you have against Zola you cannot deny his class, man could do everything

I have nothing against Zola, I actually liked him one of the few nice guys in football that rivals fans didn't mind. But I'm not going to jump on the hype of Zola, yes he was good but like a lot of foreign Chelsea players in that time they were just passed their best or not good enough to play for a big club. Zola was good but not the world class level you lot make him out to be, top 20 premier league striker nothing more then that. 

Henry, Rooney, V. Nistelrooy, Bergkamp, Drogba, Cantona, Shearer, Fowler, V. Persie, Tevez, are some who come to mind.

Afro I'd like to see your top 10 strikers list.

In my football watching career or in the Premier League era, like the others seem to be

No your whole football watching career.

v.Persie has had 2 good seasons, isnt up there with the rest on that list

How about best player from your club in each position (since you started watching/following them)?

GK - Petr Cech
LB - Ashley Cole
CB - John Terry
CB - Marcel Desailly/Frank Leboeuf (cant separate them)
RB - Dan Petrescu
DCM - Claude Makelele
CM - Frank Lampard
CM - Roberto di Matteo
CAM - Arjen Robben/Eden Hazard (again cant separate them)
CF - Gianfranco Zola
CF - Didier Drogba

Subs:
Ed de Goey/Frank Leboeuf/Graeme le Saux/Gus Poyet/Eden Hazard/Gianluca Vialli/Mark Hughes

Van Basten
Klinsmann
Weah
Batistuta
Shearer
Henry
Raul
Fat Ronaldo
Romario
van Nistelrooy
Vieiri

That's eleven, but I can't work out which one to take out, out of Romario, Shearer and Vieiri

I'd still say his better than Zola, done it for a championship winning side and two top scorer awards. His been unlucky with injury but always a class player. Ok take Persie out and out in Owen, or Ferdinand or Cole or Yorke or whoever. 

Schmeichel 
Neville Stam Ferdinand Irwin
Ronaldo Scholes Keane Giggs
Rooney V. Nistelrooy 

I can't remember 94 squad which Sir Alex said was his best, they could outfight you or outplay you according to sit alex. 

Bruce, Pallister, Kanchelskis, Ince, Cantona, McClair, Parker, Sharpe, Hughes.

sodhat wrote:Are you serious?
Look at his goal record again, domestic and international and say he had one good season or wasn't that good. His record stacks up against any great strikers.

   So so overrated Soddy. No one outside England recognises who Alan Shearer is. He's mostly knowen for his failure as a manager & for being on MOTD every now & then.
Chris Sutton was better, he made Shearer look better than he was. Teddy was better for England.

How about best player from your club in each position (since you started watching/following them)?

In their prime im assuming. Man United kinda picks itself.

GK - Peter Schmeichel
LB - Dennis Irwin
CB - Nemanja Vidić
CB - Jaap Stam
RB - Gary Neville
CM - Roy Keane
CM - Paul Scholes
RM - Ronaldo
LM - Giggs
CF - Yorke
CF - Cole

Was hard to leave Becks out. Also Djemba-Djemba was close too haha. Cantona & Ruud should really be in. I just loved how good Yorke & Cole were as a partnership.

GK - Neville Southall
LB - Leighton Baines
CB - Dave Watson
CB - Kevin Ratcliffe
RB - Seamus Coleman
RW - Andrei Kanchelskis
CM - Mikel Arteta
CM - Gary Speed
LW - Kevin Sheedy
AM/SS - Tim Cahill
CF - Wayne Rooney

I only want a fresh start.. People to forget the old me and give me a chance.. You don't want to be in a league with me, so what, don't join, I'm not fussed, I tend to not care about people that are like that, you live your life, not bother worrying about me over some fantasy football, that you can't just chill out to, Fan.

I know I may get banned, but I want to make a deal with you, Hero (and Fan). You keep me on here, let me go a full season through this league, then, once we have finished the season, get my opinions off these lads that I haven't been in a league with, and Fan (should he stay and not talk to me). Then, if it's negative from everyone, ban me and the IP address, if it is positive, I stay and continue in peace.

Does that sound fair?

For the rest of you, I don't think my true identity needs to revealed. I may be Azzy or LRF. I'll keep that in suspense and let you find out in your own time, unless Hero states who I really am. But, for now for those who don't fully know who I am yet, just call me FootballLight for now.

Afro wrote:That's eleven, but I can't work out which one to take out, out of Romario, Shearer and Vieiri

Thats a no brainer, Shearer all day every should be taken out.
George Weah was a gangsta still. Great stiker.

Viva, you put Rooney ahead of Yourke, Cole, Cantona, RVP, Ole so on even though he is dead to you & disrespects the club. You said yesterday he would never be a legend but you putting him over so many others shows how good a Man United player Rooney has & still is being.
Mark my words, 41 goals to go, he will become a true club great & go down in history forever.

Although, the top sentence gives away my identity anyway..

Good choice Afro, Van Basten or Fat Ronaldo? Both had careers hampered by injury both world player of the years. Everyone around my age bangs on about Ronaldo, I may not have watched Van Basten but from what I've seen on documentaries an read Van Basten is one of the greatest.

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:

sodhat wrote:Are you serious?
Look at his goal record again, domestic and international and say he had one good season or wasn't that good. His record stacks up against any great strikers.

   So so overrated Soddy. No one outside England recognises who Alan Shearer is. He's mostly knowen for his failure as a manager & for being on MOTD every now & then.
Chris Sutton was better, he made Shearer look better than he was. Teddy was better for England.

That's not true. When I chat with foreign colleagues about football, the names that come up more than others are Rooney, Scholes, Gazza and Shearer.

I agree with Viva. He is under rated because he is English and other countries seem to really rate him

FootballLight wrote:I only want a fresh start.. People to forget the old me and give me a chance.. You don't want to be in a league with me, so what, don't join, I'm not fussed, I tend to not care about people that are like that, you live your life, not bother worrying about me over some fantasy football, that you can't just chill out to, Fan.

I know I may get banned, but I want to make a deal with you, Hero (and Fan). You keep me on here, let me go a full season through this league, then, once we have finished the season, get my opinions off these lads that I haven't been in a league with, and Fan (should he stay and not talk to me). Then, if it's negative from everyone, ban me and the IP address, if it is positive, I stay and continue in peace.

Does that sound fair?

For the rest of you, I don't think my true identity needs to revealed. I may be Azzy or LRF. I'll keep that in suspense and let you find out in your own time, unless Hero states who I really am. But, for now for those who don't fully know who I am yet, just call me FootballLight for now.

I have no problem with you joining in the league. Not for me to say and there are plenty of people who have had multiple chances.

Nick don't know what you've been smoking but Shearer was a world class striker. People go on about Batistuta, Ronaldo etc and forget how good Shearer was because he played in our league, is English and we took him for granted. 

I put him ahead of Yorke yes easily even though Yorke was deadly the treble season, Cantona retired a few months after I came into football, Cole second all time premier league goalscorer but he always lacked that edge to be in the elite bracket, Solksjaer I got love for but let's keep it real Rooney is the better player. Yes I did say all that but I never said Rooney is a rubbish player, if you asked me to name my United legend team Rooney wouldn't be anywhere near it.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Good choice Afro, Van Basten or Fat Ronaldo? Both had careers hampered by injury both world player of the years. Everyone around my age bangs on about Ronaldo, I may not have watched Van Basten but from what I've seen on documentaries an read Van Basten is one of the greatest.

Very different players. Van Basten would score from the smallest of half chances and was a great goalscorer.

Fat Ronaldo in his prime was just unplayable. His power and pace, along with his dribbling, meant he created his own chances.

If I had to pick one for my side, it would be Ronaldo.

Van Basten = great goalscorer
Ronaldo = scorer of great goals

Out of those...

Cantona > Rooney > Yorke > Cole = Solskjaer

I can't imagine how many goals RVN would have scored if he had played with Cantona

I was a little surprised to see Afro put Van Nistelrooy in his top 10.

I loved the way Ronaldo used to glide past goalkeepers in the box too. I was watching some clips on YouTube not long ago and he scored a serious amount of goals after making the keeper look an idiot.

The way he adapted his game later in his career was phenomenal too. It was like two different players.

RVN was a great striker. His goal record was immense.

To be honest, I could have put Del Piero or Baggio in, but its really hard to get the list down to just 10

He was in my top 10 but I thought you'd probably pick someone else. Van Nistelrooy was a great player and people seem to forget how mentally strong he was when he came back from acl damage.

Also Beppe Signori

haha, these Shearer comments have got some responses

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:haha, these Shearer comments have got some responses

Haha never know with you, although I did have a slight suspicion when you said Sutton was better than him.

I thought big grin  when first responding to soddy would of given it away.

So will we be making the decisions on the new leagues after this weeks matches have been completed etc?

so has football light been revealed as leffy then, if so i would say he really wouldnt be worth the trouble

Morning bizatches

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