Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Crimey]

Discuss everything Premier League

[Guest]

City @ St James` today. Can't see us causing City too many problems. Debuchy, Coloccini out & possibly Santon.

[kingraf]

Put a bit of money on Newcastle today... Had a fantastic year at the bookie last year... Let's get this going 5/1. on Tyneside

[mystiroakey]

Newcastle v citeh- draw

stoke to upset liverpool

[hampo17]

City @ St James` today. Can't see us causing City too many problems. Debuchy, Coloccini out & possibly Santon.

I had to reread that John

Liverpool haven't won at Stoke in the Premier League, I fancy today to be the day we change that. Suarez is on fire, Sturridge is in contention again huge month this one.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Hopefully City and/or Liverpool slip up today, Pool in particular need a win or they risk getting cast adrift just like us, could then become a four way battle for that fourth spot.

[hampo17]

1-0 City already. Can't understand why Taylor has started after so long out of the side.

[NickisBHAFC]

City all over Newcastle.

[Fernando]

Newcastle goal disallowed for Offside. Neither players obscured Hart's line of sight. Epic strike by Tiote though.

[Born Slippy]

Awful decision. None of the players were in Hart's line of sight. Newcastle in danger of losing their cool here.

[LastDamnation]

That was absurd, man city getting decisions again

[Hammersmith harrier]

Ridiculous decision, wouldn't have been disallowed in reverse.

[hampo17]

Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.

[Guest]

Mike Jones is a ####, getting revenge for sissoko knocking him out last month.

Epic strike which nicked of demichelis, should of been allowed. To me its 1-1 HT. Shocking decision.

[Born Slippy]

Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.

That's not how I understand the rule. If a player offside gets out of the way for an onside player to run onto a through pass that isn't offside. Sane here. Unless Gouffran was interfering with Hart saving the ball (which he wasn't) then the goal should be given.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Boo hoo

[Fernando]

Problem you have is the rule isn't black and white, once Gouffran has to move he becomes active and is technically offside, was a great strike though.

The referee needs to get control of this game again otherwise there will be a red card.

That's not how I understand the rule. If a player offside gets out of the way for an onside player to run onto a through pass that isn't offside. Sane here. Unless Gouffran was interfering with Hart saving the ball (which he wasn't) then the goal should be given.

The issue is that Hart looks like he starts to move to dive then stops and i think that's what the ref has seen tbh.

It's fair to say Pardew will be on the end of an FA Charge id expect.

[mystiroakey]

Come on newcastle.

[hampo17]

That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

[owen10ozzy]

That's the worst thing about this; you know Pardew will mention it after the game, 2 days later he will get a fine and reprimand from the FA...meanwhile Mike Jones will go about his business with no penalty of any kind despite failing to do his job properly.

That is the problem with having a bunch of monkey's in charge of our game who know sod all about football and only serve to fulfill their own personal interests...mainly financial!! Absolute Joke!

[owen10ozzy]

That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

Agreed! The idiots at the FA have created these problems by blurring the lines in the first place...used to be a time when an offside was black & white...now it's filled with grey areas, created by those who govern the laws of the game. If your offside then your offside...simple as! Same with all this handball nonsense now...no one knows the difference between ball to hand and hand to ball because of the inconsistencies we see week in week out!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Reasonable to make that call on a snap decision?

[Guest]

Same FA idiots who are now desperately trying to get that Bentaleb to play for England. Embarrassing.

C`mon Newcastle, can't see us scoring unless Ben Arfa comes on unfortunately.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Same with all this handball nonsense now...no one knows the difference between ball to hand and hand to ball because of the inconsistencies we see week in week out!

What do you want then? Handball if it hits your arm?

[owen10ozzy]

No if a player puts his hands up or in the way of an oncoming ball! Like it used to be! Not if a player whacks a ball at 80mph and hits the hand of a player whose hands are by his side or who is withdrawing his hands in an attempt to ensure it does not hit them.

What do you expect players to do? Run round with their hands behind there back the whole game?!

[Fernando]

Cabaye racking up the fouls here. On a yellow aswell.

[owen10ozzy]

The only reason Cabaye hasn't been sent off is because the referee is showing leniency in an attempt to make up for that awful decision in the first half!

[Born Slippy]

That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

He could argue that but he would be lying. The problem with going back to the old rule is that stunning strikes like today's get disallowed when the offside has no bearing on the play. Whilst second phase offsides can be tricky this type of decision should not be. The only questions for the ref to decide are whether (a) the ball actually touched them and (b) did they prevent the keeper saving it or interfere with his vision of the ball.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

No if a player puts his hands up or in the way of an oncoming ball! Like it used to be! Not if a player whacks a ball at 80mph and hits the hand of a player whose hands are by his side or who is withdrawing his hands in an attempt to ensure it does not hit them.

What do you expect players to do? Run round with their hands behind there back the whole game?!

Arguing against yourself here Owen, I think all you've done is suggest the rule is currently right. Not that I think "ball to hand" is the ruling, I think its just a bad phrase that has stuck around.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

That's what I'm getting at Fernando, also the situation you've described isn't the same as this Bornslippy, Hart can argue he would have made more of an effort but though Gouffran was going to deflect the ball.

We need to go back to the old rule, if your offside your offside, non of this active rubbish.

He could argue that but he would be lying. The problem with going back to the old rule is that stunning strikes like today's get disallowed when the offside has no bearing on the play. Whilst second phase offsides can be tricky this type of decision should not be. The only questions for the ref to decide are whether (a) the ball actually touched them and (b) did they prevent the keeper saving it or interfere with his vision of the ball.

Deceiving or distracting is the rule

[Fernando]

Yanga Mbiwa a lucky boy there to only see Yellow, Certainly was going for everything but the ball.

[Duty281]

Poor call by the officials. If Gouffran was hindering Joe Hart's sight of the ball then yes, offside it would have been. But he wasn't and it wasn't.

Feel sorry for Newcastle.

[JamesLincs]

awful challenge and should have been red.

[Duty281]

My sympathy has wavered now.

[owen10ozzy]

Huh?! How you figure that; the point im making is that week in week out the consistency of the referee's when it comes to handball decisions is atrocious much the same with offsides. I can count at least a dozen handballs this year which have been given despite them actually being ball to hand...

The rule isn't currently correct due to the fact it is open to interpretation. This is exactly how we have got into the mess with offsides. If you allow a grey area within the confinements of a rule then that grey area will inevitably grow. The easiest thing is to make it black & white!

[NickisBHAFC]

The officiating in this country is just dreadful. 

SORT IT OUT FA!!!

[Duty281]

The officiating in this country is just dreadful. 

SORT IT OUT FA!!!

Nicholas - why don't you become a referee, if it's that bad? Are you prepared to put something to it?

Nice little hobby where you earn some money, and you can do something about the dreadful officiating yourself.

[Fernando]

I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it   

[Duty281]

I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it   

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Huh?! How you figure that; the point im making is that week in week out the consistency of the referee's when it comes to handball decisions is atrocious much the same with offsides. I can count at least a dozen handballs this year which have been given despite them actually being ball to hand...

The rule isn't currently correct due to the fact it is open to interpretation. This is exactly how we have got into the mess with offsides. If you allow a grey area within the confinements of a rule then that grey area will inevitably grow. The easiest thing is to make it black & white!

How can you make something with such inconsistency black and white? Constant variables. Common sense is all that's needed. And of course the fact that needs to be remembered is you're watching everything multiple times from different angles at reduced speeds. Well done to the football public for then seeing something differently to a ref. The standard hasn't got bafflingly worse, the way of exposing mistakes and the attitude of fans has changed.

Ref being chastised for losing control of the game. But he could send players off to control it, ruining the competitive edge. Newcastle and Pardew should be blamed for the aggressive nature.

[Guest]

Not just the officials on their side but blind luck as well the way that ball fell for Negredo

[Fernando]

I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it   

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

The money is good, The abuse is ridiculous actually had to send a parent away because he made his own son cry he was that competitive.

2-0 Citeh - Negredo

[Guest]

Having said that Newcastle couldve lost at least two players so the officiating has just been p!Ss poor throughout

[NickisBHAFC]

Negredo 2-0

Lucky little git. 

Harsh defeat for Newcastle. Well done ref.

[Duty281]

Citeh top of the league - at least until tomorrow evening.

[Duty281]

I do refereeing and for £35 a week it is not worth it   

That's not a bad earner you know for a couple of hours work.

The money is good, The abuse is ridiculous actually had to send a parent away because he made his own son cry he was that competitive.

2-0 Citeh - Negredo

Yes I would imagine that the abuse is the worst part of it. Must have a very thick skin to do it.

[hampo17]

Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.

[Duty281]

Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.

I'm inclined to think that, for this game at least, the officiating has evened out.

[Guest]

Feck off. Players were only over aggressive because they were infuriated with the dissalowed goal. Ref was being lenient trying to make up for his mistake & the players like Cabaye picked up on that n took advantage.

City were shocking today. Hardly even deserved the win. How can you say the score would of been much more. Only reason they scored at end was because we were gung ho trying to equalise. Would never of been that open if it were rightfully 1-1. They hardly peppered our goal?

Shockingly unlucky today. Referee was appalling.

[hampo17]

I agree Duty.

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