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[Ent]

Anyway gouffran is/was very lazy and cost his team today- no ones even mentioning it.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Anyway gouffran is/was very lazy and cost his team today- no ones even mentioning it.

Always one idiot who disagrees for the sake of it. Clearly a poor decision. But do carry on.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I suppose the only person who knows whether Hart was troubled by Gouffran's position is Hart himself

[Lumbering_Jack]

I suppose the only person who knows whether Hart was troubled by Gouffran's position is Hart himself

It's pretty obvious from the replays that he wasn't.

Joe Harts disgraceful cheating did bring up possibly the best chant I've heard all year...

"You can stick your head and shoulders up your arse"

Genius.

[socal1976]

God who cares! some of the decisions this season in the prem have been darn right awful, worse than any other season I can think of. Refs are like players really, they have some good games and they have some bad ones. Refs are different due to the culture of the countries football. Spanish football is very different to English football so inevitably is reffed slightly different.

I agree with this I honestly feel there has been a shocking number of bad decisions beyond what I have seen watching other leagues this year.

This is the premier league, if a player doesn't perform he will lose his job or end up in lower leagues. If a manager doesn't produce he is out. Where is the accountability for this atrocious level of officiating. The FA should pay these guys better, train them harder, and if they have a bad game just like a player bench them quickly. In a league with this level of money and professionalism I would expect a higher standard of officiating from what I have seen this year which frankly has been comical.

[socal1976]

The first question for Taylor was whether Sterling had committed a handball. One problem is the question of intent. Players know the laws. They rarely handle the ball deliberately. Sterling probably didn't. But his arm was away from his body and he gained a clear advantage. Liverpool scored a goal because of the way the ball bounced off one of its player's arm.
The second question was the penalty.
Even Brendan Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, thought it was harsh.
"It was what I call a Spanish penalty," he told Sky Sports. "Where the attacker goes into the defender."


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140112/epl-recap-newcastle-manchester-city-stoke-liverpool-chelsea/#ixzz2qFBDaE6o


I love it Liverpool manager called it a "spanish" penalty where the attacker runs into the defender, this after the 3 freaking blind mice miss an obvious hand ball. I don't want to hear any BS about a split second and real time and all this tosh. I was watching the match on TV not standing on the field yards away from the play like the dumb Muppet referee and instantly within half a second I yelled handball. How is it possible not to see that? Just freaking ridiculously poor standards for the richest league in the world and nobody seems to care or do anything. And trust me I am no fan of Stoke, I am an Arsenal fan and a Ramsey fan and rejoice whenever something bad happens to Stoke and Shawcross, but fair is fair and this was not fair. How does this dumb bugger make two such ridiculously bad calls in the span 4 seconds?

[socal1976]

I suppose the only person who knows whether Hart was troubled by Gouffran's position is Hart himself

It's pretty obvious from the replays that he wasn't.

Joe Harts disgraceful cheating did bring up possibly the best chant I've heard all year...

"You can stick your head and shoulders up your arse"

Genius.

The newcastle player was nowhere near him, he turned his head and looked at the ball and was so badly beaten he didn't even try for it, he could have been shot out of a cannon and he wouldn't have stopped that shot. I feel bad for Tiote the guys scores like a goal every 3 years and then this dumb bumhole robs him of a goal. Joe Hart was disgusting as well protesting that shot, pretty funny chant though.

[J.Benson II]

The goal should have stood but these stuff happen in football. I think the linesman thought it may have taken a slight deflection of Gouffran but that obviously wasnt the case.
What was worse for me was the tackle on Nasri in the second half. Absolutely disgraceful challenge.

[Fernando]

What was worse for me was the tackle on Nasri in the second half. Absolutely disgraceful challenge.  

2 Questions on this.

1- Was it worse then Wigan guy on Haidara
2- Will we hear more on it like how Newcastle complained last season

[Guest]

1. no
2. no

watch it back, there's no reaction at all from city players other than a slight argument from demichelis. the commentators go quiet and say, 'thats probably a yellow'. even pellegrini didnt react much, he didnt even know the players name who commited the foul in the post game interview. yeah, so incensed with the challenge, yet you dont know who commited it. Only reason there's been a reaction is because nasri got injured n we watched it back about 20 times in slow motion while nasri got attention.

never in a million years as bad as mcmanaman's challenge on haidara or many others this season. i agree it looked bad but it wasnt a two footed lunge or anything like that.

[guildfordbat]

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When tiote strikes the ball there are two offside Newcastle players in between it and the net, one of them has to move to avoid it hitting him- that is clearly active/interfering with play etc.

Very unfortunate but blame the lazy player - who cost his team a goal out of laziness 10 minutes into the match too.

In line with Ent's post, I do feel it was understandable that the 'goal' was disallowed. Gouffran certainly did not help his team by being in an offside position when the shot was struck and then moving, even if only slightly, as the ball went close by.

If Krull had been beaten in similar circumstances and the goal have stood, I suspect that Pardew would have been singing from a very different songsheet.

[J.Benson II]

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When tiote strikes the ball there are two offside Newcastle players in between it and the net, one of them has to move to avoid it hitting him- that is clearly active/interfering with play etc.

Very unfortunate but blame the lazy player - who cost his team a goal out of laziness 10 minutes into the match too.

In line with Ent's post, I do feel it was understandable that the 'goal' was disallowed. Gouffran certainly did not help his team by being in an offside position when the shot was struck and then moving, even if only slightly, as the ball went close by.

If Krull had been beaten in similar circumstances and the goal have stood, I suspect that Pardew would have been singing from a very different songsheet.

Pretty much how I see it. Poor but understandable decision.

Agree on Pardew's reaction too. I remember when Newcastle played Everton in 2012 and Everton had two legit goals wrongly disallowed. Pardew said something on the lines of "these things happen in football".

[Liam]

I'm starting to really dislike Pardew. Yes, in the heat of the moment we do stupid things and Newcastle wrongly had a cracking goal chalked off. But, i'm sorry but his comment to Pellegrini was appalling and he should be faced with a heavy fine. Its no way to behave especially towards a fellow manager. Where's the respect in football gone? Pellegrini is a respectable man who didn't deserve that abuse. Add that to his pushing of the linesman also and he's racking up a pretty impressive CV. Didn't he almost have a fight with Arsene when he was at West Ham as well?

[JamesLincs]

was it mcmanaman? the were two very different incidents. i say incidents because neither were technically tackles. mcmanaman was head on, yesterdays was from behind. a head on challenge has more force behind it and are also deemed more reckless, however, i think yesterdays challenge was as bad as the newcastle defender was blatantly out to crock nasri. no excuse, should have been red, should be a ban

[JamesLincs]

I'm starting to really dislike Pardew. Yes, in the heat of the moment we do stupid things and Newcastle wrongly had a cracking goal chalked off. But, i'm sorry but his comment to Pellegrini was appalling and he should be faced with a heavy fine. Its no way to behave especially towards a fellow manager. Where's the respect in football gone? Pellegrini is a respectable man who didn't deserve that abuse. Add that to his pushing of the linesman also and he's racking up a pretty impressive CV. Didn't he almost have a fight with Arsene when he was at West Ham as well?

im with you on pardew, i havent liked him for a while. he really is looking for a tag of victim

[westisbest]

I'm starting to really dislike Pardew. Yes, in the heat of the moment we do stupid things and Newcastle wrongly had a cracking goal chalked off. But, i'm sorry but his comment to Pellegrini was appalling and he should be faced with a heavy fine. Its no way to behave especially towards a fellow manager. Where's the respect in football gone? Pellegrini is a respectable man who didn't deserve that abuse. Add that to his pushing of the linesman also and he's racking up a pretty impressive CV. Didn't he almost have a fight with Arsene when he was at West Ham as well?

im with you on pardew, i havent liked him for a while. he really is looking for a tag of victim

Not a fan either.

[sodhat]

Pardew has always been a helmet. He is a pretty self-aggrandising individual and more than a little obnoxious. When he was our manager (West Ham) the belief was that he was sacked because he had formed a dressing room akin to a boys club and he was the head boy.

He should be ashamed of what he said to Pellegrini, who comes across as a genuinely good bloke.

[JamesLincs]

what made him say what he said anyway?

[sodhat]

I'll go out on a limb and say he probably thought Pellegrini was being a c-nt.

Which is ironic considering the way he acted...

[Liam]

what made him say what he said anyway?

Called him an 'effing old c*nt' i believe.

[mystiroakey]

Because he was stressed and wound up.

It happens. He has apologised. We move on. 

He will probably get a touch line ban for if though

[westisbest]

Tonights game.

Would take a point.
I just hope the team performs.
If we go a goal down early, then I hope the heads dont drop.

F sake Tekkers needs to find the back of the net asap.

Sadly think the scoreline will be the same as the opening day, in Arsenal's favour.

[GSC]

Pardew wont be charged.

[NickisBHAFC]

Pardew shouldn't be charged, football is a game that can get very heated and emotions boil over and tbf we never mean what we say at the time. Also i can't blame the bloke, the officiating in that game was disgraceful. The officials should be the ones apologizing.

[GSC]

Non PL but Seedorf is the new Milan manager apparently

[NickisBHAFC]

Probably belongs in the European section mate  

[GSC]

Thanks Nick

[Duty281]

Tonights game.

Would take a point.
I just hope the team performs.
If we go a goal down early, then I hope the heads dont drop.

F sake Tekkers needs to find the back of the net asap.

Sadly think the scoreline will be the same as the opening day, in Arsenal's favour.

Hope you win - then we get another massive conspiracy courtesy of Socal!

[socal1976]

Tonights game.

Would take a point.
I just hope the team performs.
If we go a goal down early, then I hope the heads dont drop.

F sake Tekkers needs to find the back of the net asap.

Sadly think the scoreline will be the same as the opening day, in Arsenal's favour.

Hope you win - then we get another massive conspiracy courtesy of Socal!

The first villa match also had some disgraceful officiating in it, surprise, surprise. Either way I think arsenal will grind out a 2-0 win. They need the points and villa has not played well of late. By the way duty you have an annoying habit of characterizing my position as a conspiracy theory. You do realize that claiming some one is incompetent or that the standard of EPl officiating is awful is not claiming a conspiracy. Since I have a bit of training in the area let me explain it to you a conspiracy is a criminal agreement between two or more people. Sucking at your job is not a conspiracy, I doubt that the EPl officials got together and decided "we are going to blow blow so many calls that we make English refs the laughingstocks of European football". Incompetence does not require a conspiracy

[JamesLincs]

dont want them to win but if i means i win some dollar then i have to support the gunners tonight

[hampo17]

The FA have let Pardew off completely despite him clearly being caught on camera at half time abusing the referee and then saying what he did to Pellegrini, FA have shown themselves to be spineless here for me.

Also the initial tackle for Nasri wasn't so bad, it's the fact he then swung his other leg with real intent that caused serious injury, that is the type of tackle that should be looked at retrospectively.

[Duty281]

Tonights game.

Would take a point.
I just hope the team performs.
If we go a goal down early, then I hope the heads dont drop.

F sake Tekkers needs to find the back of the net asap.

Sadly think the scoreline will be the same as the opening day, in Arsenal's favour.

Hope you win - then we get another massive conspiracy courtesy of Socal!

The first villa match also had some disgraceful officiating in it, surprise, surprise. Either way I think arsenal will grind out a 2-0 win. They need the points and villa has not played well of late. By the way duty you have an annoying habit of characterizing my position as a conspiracy theory. You do realize that claiming some one is incompetent or that the standard of EPl officiating is awful is not claiming a conspiracy. Since I have a bit of training in the area let me explain it to you a conspiracy is a criminal agreement between two or more people. Sucking at your job is not a conspiracy, I doubt that the EPl officials got together and decided "we are going to blow blow so many calls that we make English refs the laughingstocks of European football". Incompetence does not require a conspiracy

You know what I mean Socal. If Arsenal lose tonight, there's probably going to be a massive conspiracy theory put forward by yourself. Like what you said about Mike Dean, when you posted a list of statistics showing how he was biased against Arsenal.

[Duty281]

The FA have let Pardew off completely despite him clearly being caught on camera at half time abusing the referee and then saying what he did to Pellegrini, FA have shown themselves to be spineless here for me.

Also the initial tackle for Nasri wasn't so bad, it's the fact he then swung his other leg with real intent that caused serious injury, that is the type of tackle that should be looked at retrospectively.

How can the FA run a Respect campaign and then not take clear action when a manager, and an English one at that, is clearly seen abusing a fellow manager? #hypocrisy

[Liam]

Agree Hampo, amazed Pardew has got away with it. Ok he's come out and apologized and fair play to Pellegrini for not making a big deal out of it and accepting his apology, says allot about him as a man and his priniciples. But we see these big respect banners all around grounds at these games, and yet you have the manager who should be leading by example screaming at the ref as he goes in for half time, and calling the opposing manager a effing old c*nt getting away scott free. Disgraceful. He's pushed an official and he's been in trouble on the touch line before. He should have recieved a touch line ban simple.

Yanga whatever his last name is should also get a ban for that tackle. Like Hampo said, the first impact is just a clip but the next is cynical and for me, a deliberate attempt to hurt Nasri in which he's succeeded in doing. Again, the FA should give a retrospective ban, around 3 matches I would say.

[westisbest]

No poor officiating at The Emirates socal.

Just that the better team won 

[Duty281]

No poor officiating at The Emirates socal.

Just that the better team won 

That's gonna start some pre-match tension!

[Fernando]

Cristiano Ronaldo wins Ballon D'or

Yeah im aware it's a PL thread but i cba to make an article

[Hammersmith harrier]

The Mbiwa foul really isn't that bad and was definitely just a yellow card, it's unfortunate that Nasri suffered a serious injury but I can't see any real intent in the challenge, was a fairly cynical trip.

[hampo17]

Trip? I can agree the initial attempt was supposed be a trip but the way his left leg hits Nasri is sickening, that should have been a straight red card.

[Hammersmith harrier]

It all seems a bit reactionary because of the injury, there's nothing sickening about the challenge at all, he swings is level left leg at Nasri but fouls like that happen all the time.

[hampo17]

No chance, that was a red card every day of the week. It's that type of tackle that causes injury.

[Hammersmith harrier]

It is because it has but there is no way that's a red card, the referee made the right call 100% on that.

[socal1976]

No poor officiating at The Emirates socal.

Just that the better team won 

Yeah keep telling yourself that funny they relegated the official after the match and it was the same buffoon who gave Sterling his penalty yesterday the FA rewarding incompetence again but that is what they are good at.

[socal1976]

For the fourth time this season (that I can remember) a perfectly good goal was ruled out against them for offside. No-one was interfering with play and Cheick Tiote’s goal should have stood.  It would have been 1-1 and Newcastle would have had the momentum.

Against Arsenal, City had two goals against them ruled out for offside incorrectly, with at least another three instances of incorrect offsides flagged when a player was through one-on-one with their keeper. In the City game against Liverpool the same thing happened as another perfectly good goal was chalked off.

Luck. City have it in spades this season. They also have the best squad and the deepest pockets.

It hardly seems fair does it?

There are three teams realistically in the title race this season – Arsenal, Chelsea and City. I don’t know how Chelsea’s luck is going this season, they bore me too much to care.

They don’t have the squad they once had and their pockets aren’t as deep as they used to be and certainly not as deep as City’s, but they do have a manager who knows how to win, usually by smothering the opposition to death until they finally give up.

Arsenal’s luck, on the other hand, has been atrocious. Perhaps it’s paranoia, I don’t know. I don’t think so.


Are poor officials gifting City the title ahead of Arsenal or Chelsea?
Take the penalties Anthony Taylor gave to Aston Villa on the opening day of the season for instance, like the one he gave to Liverpool against Stoke on Sunday. Soft. Taylor has demonstrated over the course of the season that he’s not a biased referee, just an awful one.

There have been a series of wrong offsides given, stonewall penalties turned down, and injury after injury after injury.

Mike Dean was in charge of Arsenal v Chelsea when he ignored what was a clear red card against John Obil Mikel.

And the penalty on Theo Walcott? Don’t be silly, his leg was still attached so you’re not getting that!

If you don’t think a red card and a penalty would have changed a game in which there was little-to-nothing between the sides then perhaps you should follow another sport.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/13/are-poor-officials-gifting-manchester-city-the-title-ahead-of-arsenal-or-chelsea-4260509/

[Duty281]

3-1, to the Villa boys, 3-1....

What an 18th birthday present that was!

[Hammersmith harrier]

Man City have been on the receiving end of bad decisions too, ultimately the top teams shouldn't rely on the referee to win, they should be beating Sunderland offside goal or not. It's a far bigger issue for decisions to go against the lower teams than it is the top teams.

[Fernando]

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[Duty281]

Oxlade on the bench! Good news.

[Fernando]

It appears Aston Villa are going 3-5-2 for tonight according to Mr Lambert

Oxo Cube is back & Honestly Duty if we had won vs Villa in August i doubt ud be seeing Ozil in a Arsenal shirt.

#ArseneIsATightWad

[Dolphin Ziggler]

He can call it 3-5-2 but thats 5 defenders.

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