Pascal Vs. Bute - Final words

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Think this is an interesting fight and could prove to be a make or break fight for Bute's career and for his legacy also, if he gets hammered out in style again then he will go down as a total paper champion of the highest order.

Pascal has it well within his arsenal to blast Bute out in my view but at the same time I do think that if bute can get the fight into the second half he has a pretty good chance of upsetting the apple cart.

Whats everyone's view?

At the very least I can't see it being a poor fight.

Oh and by the way feel sorry for me, I don't finish work until 11PM and I restart at 8AM tommorow and will be watching the fight live tonight as I can't get my usual Sky+ at my dads on sunday. What a ballache.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Kovalev and GGG  are divisional king pins ??...and Lomachenko has had one fight..

However though being pedantic I do agree with you on this one.......

Though I still wouldn't get out of bed........

Wasn't so much saying they were, was throwing of mix of existing big dogs and people I consider to be exciting 'ones to watch' that could turn out to be everything JC was a more.

His abs, catch.

catchweight wrote:So what is it about Haye that makes you sweat like a priest in playground then?

In less time than Wilder's been fighting 'warm up' fights Haye had already unified 1 division and been world champion in the division above.

Maybe that?

Big deal. He knocked out a few bums in cruiserweight and stank the place out at heavyweight (on ppv). His heavyweight title meant jack.

I would rather hold out hope that Wilder can bring some life back to the division than rally behind Hayes publicity stunts, retirements and money grabbing ventures.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:So what is it about Haye that makes you sweat like a priest in playground then?

In less time than Wilder's been fighting 'warm up' fights Haye had already unified 1 division and been world champion in the division above.

Maybe that?

Calzaghe done that at his weight and more yet you say it is worth nothing because he did not fight anybody of note.

JC did it in twice as long. Though nobody was diminishing JC just trying to open your blinkered eyes.

Not that that's the point, as the discussion had moved on to Wilder vs Haye, nothing to do with JC.

The heavyweight title is the greatest prize in sports it has to be said...and as such has more interest in it than a 168 one......

Saying that though the Klits have done their best to change that...

Think it would have been better for Boxing had Haye beaten Wlad.

Wilder V Haye, oooh I cannot wait.  

  

Only if he'd stayed on and defended.

Having seen Haye since I can't help but feel he'd have defended it about once a year max and just been a divisional show-pony. Not sure that'd really have helped....

But he would have been more marketable and interesting..

LordDowlais wrote:Wilder V Haye, oooh I cannot wait.  

  

Sorry there's nobody Welsh for you to talk about and get a hard-on over.

Sod long gone JC. You should be banging on about the Selby brothers ffs.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:But he would have been more marketable and interesting..

IF he'd have fought......

catchweight wrote:Big deal. He knocked out a few bums in cruiserweight and stank the place out at heavyweight (on ppv). His heavyweight title meant jack.
Course it does because everyone does it don't they? Hold a World title, piece of cake.
I would rather hold out hope that Wilder can bring some life back to the division than rally behind Hayes publicity stunts, retirements and money grabbing ventures.

If he hasn't done it by now, chances are he's never going to do it.

For all his flaws, Haye's a better HW than Wilder as their sparring sessions in the run up to the aborted Fury fight showed.

Still, if your happy throwing your weight behind a character like Wilder and attempting to take the moral high ground in the process then good luck to you.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Only if he'd stayed on and defended.

Having seen Haye since I can't help but feel he'd have defended it about once a year max and just been a divisional show-pony. Not sure that'd really have helped....

Aye, because Vitali's been the very personification of active hasn't he?

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Only if he'd stayed on and defended.

Having seen Haye since I can't help but feel he'd have defended it about once a year max and just been a divisional show-pony. Not sure that'd really have helped....

Aye, because Vitali's been the very personification of active hasn't he?

Lol I know I know, but there's a difference between criticising the current and eulogising the potential. Haye could be a brilliant replacement for Truss' aforementioned reasons, but if he did a Vitali then I don't think it'd actually be much of an improvement at all.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:Wilder V Haye, oooh I cannot wait.  

  

Sorry there's nobody Welsh for you to talk about and get a hard-on over.

Sod long gone JC. You should be banging on about the Selby brothers ffs.

It has nothing to do with nationality, so could you please keep the debate amicable without bringing any bigoted remarks into it. I do not rate the Selby bro's or Cleverly for that matter, they are amongst the tirade of average boxers who we cannot get excited about, I was just asked why the last fight I got excited about was Calzaghe and Jones and I gave an answer, and the reason was because what was on the line, also, you can rubbish a boxers legacy all you want, but it will be a long time before somebody unify's a division and retires unbeaten. Yes a few chumps on the way, but he had to win those belts of other champions, or were they all lucky to have the belts as well ?

Dowlais, are you typing with your feet because I don't think a normal (not Welsh) person could manage that many spelling mistakes if they tried?

On my Ipad with the stupid touch screen keyboard and auto spelling and the what not.

A 'few' chumps along the way?

He always beat whatever was infront of him, fair play, but he never chased the big fights until the last year or two of his career. And RJJ was a rubbish meaningless pay day fight. If that was the last fight that got you excited then you're no boxing fan.

Anyone decent that adopts the same attitude could emulate it and will be similarly derided for it.

TopHat24/7 wrote:A 'few' chumps along the way?

He always beat whatever was infront of him, fair play, but he never chased the big fights until the last year or two of his career.  And RJJ was a rubbish meaningless pay day fight.  If that was the last fight that got you excited then you're no boxing fan.

Anyone decent that adopts the same attitude could emulate it and will be similarly derided for it.

I would not say the likes of Byron Mitchell, Chris Eubank, Kessler, Hopkins were small fights, everbody and their dog expected him to lose those fights, and lets not talk about the hype around Jeff Lacey, that was supposed to be a one rounder and we all know what happened there, they were all classed as manditory challengers for his belt but he beat them all, what about the fighters who he won the belts off, were they all chumps as well ? The Roy Jones fight was because of who he was and Calzaghes unbeaten record going into it, also Roy Jones was on an unbeaten run going into that fight.

DAVE667 wrote:Dowlais, are you typing with your feet because I don't think a normal (not Welsh) person could manage that many spelling mistakes if they tried?

Fixed that for you.  

Mate..........Help yourself by not bigging up the Jones jr that Joe fought.....

No one will buy that one..

Moral high ground? What are you smoking? You go into a meltdown anytime someone mentions an entertaining boxer with "bandwagons" and "hypejobs". For someone who loses the rag anytime Stevenson or Wilder gets some interest its bizzare that you defend a bullshitter like Haye who talked the talked and then stank the place out and blamed his toe. Who knows where Wilder will end up but he can punch and deliver knockouts and bring some entertainment to the division. Not to mention put heavyweight boxing back on the menu outside Germany. I would rather hold some kind of optimism he can deliver than depress myself with the other turds in the division or waste my time with David Haye.

Eubank was his first fight winning the championship, there was then years of nothingness until Lacey.

Nobody expected him to lose to Mitchell, behave. And 50:50 was the worst you'd get on Kess and Hoppo (his two best wins by a mile) and they were 2 out of the last 3 fights of his career!!

3 wins after 3 losses count as an unbeaten run now does it?? Jeez, are you his publisher or something??!

LordDowlais wrote:On my Ipad with the stupid touch screen keyboard and auto spelling and the what not.

Given your previous efforts, I have translated that as, "Yes, whilst drunk, blindfolded and wearing those funny multi-coloured socks normally worn by children or women who think it makes them kooky."

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Mate..........Help yourself by not bigging up the Jones jr that Joe fought.....

No one will buy that one..

It was Calzaghe's last fight, he was the udisputed, unbeaten champ in his division, and he was fighting a legend, allbeit a passed it legend, I just wanted to make sure I watched it. He could have lost, who knew how the fight was going to go, but I remember at the time there were a few people who did not give Calzaghe a chance, anyway I saw it, and I do not care, the boxers out now are nowhere neer what they were back twenty or so years ago, except for one or two comming towards the end, Pacman or Maywether, then that's it.

I watched it too............I can't remember anybody not giving Calzaghe a chance....

But I'm old and senile....

catchweight wrote:Moral high ground? What are you smoking? You go into a meltdown anytime someone mentions an entertaining boxer with "bandwagons" and "hypejobs". For someone who loses the rag anytime Stevenson or Wilder gets some interest its bizzare that you defend a bullshitter like Haye who talked the talked and then stank the place out and blamed his toe. Who knows where Wilder will end up but he can punch and deliver knockouts and bring some entertainment to the division. Not to mention put heavyweight boxing back on the menu outside Germany. I would rather hold some kind of optimism he can deliver than depress myself with the other turds in the division or waste my time with David Haye.

He'd walked the walk until then though.

Wilder has actually already fought more than Haye, however:

In 26 fights pre-K, Haye's record was 25 wins by 23 ko's he was HW world champion and former unified CW world champion.

In 26 fights Wilder has fought................   

DAVE667 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:On my Ipad with the stupid touch screen keyboard and auto spelling and the what not.

Given your previous efforts, I have translated that as, "Yes, whilst drunk, blindfolded and wearing those funny multi-coloured socks normally worn by children or women who think it makes them kooky."

  

LordDowlais wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Mate..........Help yourself by not bigging up the Jones jr that Joe fought.....

No one will buy that one..

It was Calzaghe's last fight, he was the udisputed, unbeaten champ in his division, and he was fighting a legend, allbeit a passed it legend, I just wanted to make sure I watched it. He could have lost, who knew how the fight was going to go, but I remember at the time there were a few people who did not give Calzaghe a chance, anyway I saw it, and I do not care, the boxers out now are nowhere neer what they were back twenty or so years ago, except for one or two comming towards the end, Pacman or Maywether, then that's it.

Which LHW belt was he holding??

And unbeaten in 1 fight is not saying much.

LordDowlais wrote:It was Calzaghe's last fight, he was the udisputed, unbeaten champ in his division, and he was fighting a legend, allbeit a passed it legend, I just wanted to make sure I watched it. He could have lost, who knew how the fight was going to go, but I remember at the time there were a few people who did not give Calzaghe a chance, anyway I saw it, and I do not care, the boxers out now are nowhere neer what they were back twenty or so years ago, except for one or two comming towards the end, Pacman or Maywether, then that's it.

I really have a hard time believing that you're being genuine with this particular line, fella. Appreciate that there's no such thing as a cast-iron, 100% guarantee in a boxing ring, but I'd say that the overwhelming (and I do mean overwhelming) majority of people knew very well how that fight would go, and to be honest anyone who saw Jones as the favourite, never mind the massive, odds-on favourite you seem to suggest some people did, should have been locked in a padded cell!

catchweight wrote:Moral high ground? What are you smoking? You go into a meltdown anytime someone mentions an entertaining boxer with "bandwagons" and "hypejobs". For someone who loses the rag anytime Stevenson or Wilder gets some interest its bizzare that you defend a bullshitter like Haye who talked the talked and then stank the place out and blamed his toe. Who knows where Wilder will end up but he can punch and deliver knockouts and bring some entertainment to the division. Not to mention put heavyweight boxing back on the menu outside Germany. I would rather hold some kind of optimism he can deliver than depress myself with the other turds in the division or waste my time with David Haye.

I do...f*****g nowhere!

If you think Deontay Wilder is the future of HW boxing then we are all totally screwed. There's a reason why he wants to fight the likes of Tyson Fury and yet made no overtures towards fighting David Haye. One of them is a huge punchbag and the other has already demonstrated the ability to knock seven shades out of him.

Wilder is a chump, it's just that he hasn't been found out like that other clown Stth Mitchell that loads of you were banging on about a few months ago (and I rightly called you all bandwagonners)

Anyway, Pascal Vs. Bute

Any final words ?

  

  

88Chris05 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:It was Calzaghe's last fight, he was the udisputed, unbeaten champ in his division, and he was fighting a legend, allbeit a passed it legend, I just wanted to make sure I watched it. He could have lost, who knew how the fight was going to go, but I remember at the time there were a few people who did not give Calzaghe a chance, anyway I saw it, and I do not care, the boxers out now are nowhere neer what they were back twenty or so years ago, except for one or two comming towards the end, Pacman or Maywether, then that's it.

I really have a hard time believing that you're being genuine with this particular line, fella. Appreciate that there's no such thing as a cast-iron, 100% guarantee in a boxing ring, but I'd say that the overwhelming (and I do mean overwhelming) majority of people knew very well how that fight would go, and to be honest anyone who saw Jones as the favourite, never mind the massive, odds-on favourite you seem to suggest some people did, should have been locked in a padded cell!

How does a few people not giving him a chance that I suggested, turn into massive odds-on favourite that I suggested ? I know things can be interpreted differently, but I thought I was talking to the misses then, who would take what ever I say and turn it into something she wants to hear so that I cannot argue anymore, which might be a sign, so ta-ra, I'm off, I will speak to you all in the morning.   

No DAVE, you just dont get that there is a difference between hoping a boxer lives up to it and predicting the second coming of Ali. People watch boxing to be entertained. The heavyweight division sucks. Nobody cares about it outside of Germany. Off all the other non Klitschko named turds out there, including Haye, Wilder is probably the guy who could do most to actually bring heavyweight boxing out of its coma. Haye had his shot, he dirtied his shorts, stank the place out and was exposed as a money grabbing gremlin.

catchweight wrote:No DAVE, you just dont get that there is a difference between hoping a boxer lives up to it and predicting the second coming of Ali. People watch boxing to be entertained. The heavyweight division sucks. Nobody cares about it outside of Germany. Off all the other non Klitschko named turds out there, including Haye, Wilder is probably the guy who could do most to actually bring heavyweight boxing out of its coma. Haye had his shot, he dirtied his shorts, stank the place out and was exposed as a money grabbing gremlin.

Love your belief that every other fighter on the planet outside of Haye is lacing up the gloves out of altruism. Boxing has been filled with conmen and charlatans since it's inception but, if you think Wilder is the to bring the HW scene out of the doldrums then you've either A/ Been in a coma yourself or B/ Need beating so savagely around the head and neck that you slip into one sharpish.
Wilder is a HW version of Broner...minus the ability to box. He's an a-hole and if he gets his hands on the title, he'll lose it pretty damned sharpish.

Maybe I wasn't clear in what I said, Dowlais, but I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to the few people you claim saw Jones as a massive odds-on favourite from THEIR perspective (seeing as you said you spoke to people who didn't give Calzaghe a chance). I'm simply querying how any living soul could see Calzaghe as having no chance going in to that fight. He was fighting a shell.

DAVE667 wrote:

catchweight wrote:No DAVE, you just dont get that there is a difference between hoping a boxer lives up to it and predicting the second coming of Ali. People watch boxing to be entertained. The heavyweight division sucks. Nobody cares about it outside of Germany. Off all the other non Klitschko named turds out there, including Haye, Wilder is probably the guy who could do most to actually bring heavyweight boxing out of its coma. Haye had his shot, he dirtied his shorts, stank the place out and was exposed as a money grabbing gremlin.

Love your belief that every other fighter on the planet outside of Haye is lacing up the gloves out of altruism. Boxing has been filled with conmen and charlatans since it's inception but, if you think Wilder is the to bring the HW scene out of the doldrums then you've either A/ Been in a coma yourself or B/ Need beating so savagely around the head and neck that you slip into one sharpish.
Wilder is a HW version of Broner...minus the ability to box. He's an a-hole and if he gets his hands on the title, he'll lose it pretty damned sharpish.

No and again you both misinterpret and misquote the point. Is the fact that other boxers fight for money mean that Hayes blatant money grabbing shenanigans par for the course? I suppose he is just the norm. Keep defending him.

Yet again, I havent actually said that Wilder IS the man to change heavyweight boxing fortune. This is something you continually choose to read while in meltdown. I said Im HOPING he can be the man to turn it around. There is a quite significant difference which may help you with bandwagon obsessive disorder if you chose to recognise it.

And speaking of bandwagons, while we are on it, Im guessing that when Haye won his titles at cruiserweight you werent shy about jumping on HIS bandwagon. I mean when Stevenson flattens the top lightheavyweight in one round and then beats a couple of contenders its all BANDWAGON!!!. But, (and this is just a shot in the dark), Im guesing when it was Haye that won at cruiserweight and moved up to heavyweight you werent shy about supporting him and buying into his "saviour of boxing" tourist trap crap? Even when he stank the place out or set up a circus fight with Audley Harrison Id bet you were still his most vocal of supporters. Hell the Haye BANDWAGON crashed and burned and you still sit in the wreckage defending him and crying out hype jobs and bandwagons about other fighters. I find that ironic.

Was a fan of Haye before he lost to Thompson so please don't talk to me about jumping on the band wagon, son. Whether you think Wilder is the saviour or just hope he is, your optimism, whilst heart-warming is also massively misplaced. The guy is an idiot and his HW tenure will make Haye's look like a return to a glaorious bygone era.

I'm well aware of Haye's failings and have been clear about that for some time. However, I shall not condemn him out of hand just because a certain poster on here has a hard-on for him the size of Ireland and certain other posters feel compelled to climb on his erection and cling to it like sailors in a storm.

So what is the malfunction the DAVE? Boxer is exciting, fans become interested, fans want to see more. A pretty normal sequence of developments.

You give off the impression of being more interested in whats inside Hayes underpants than in boxing in general. And woe-betide anyone who gets enthusiastic/rates a boxer who hasnt yet nailed down Hall of Fame credentials.

catchweight wrote:So what is the malfunction the DAVE? Boxer is exciting, fans become interested, fans want to see more. A pretty normal sequence of developments.

You give off the impression of being more interested in whats inside Hayes underpants than in boxing in general. And woe-betide anyone who gets enthusiastic/rates a boxer who hasnt yet nailed down Hall of Fame credentials.

Wilder just isn't very good. he's a crude slugger with little artistry or ability outside of being able to wing away with slegdehammer blows. Genuinely can't get excited for a fighter whose moves can be replicated every night of the week outside three dozen pubs up and down the country. I'd rather watch the novice Anthony Joshua who displays more ability and technique than Wilder even at this early stage in his career.

Lee Selby who, when he's not showing off to extremes, displays a pretty impressive skillset or you have the likes of Quigg and Frampton who, to my mind are also worthy getting excited about. There's plenty of boxers who get the pugilistic juices flowing but fro me, Wilder isn't one of them.

So sue me!

Well I hope Wilder can bring some life to the heavyweight division, so sue me too. Klitschko is boring, Haye is a money grabbing disappointment and Joshua is probably two years away from fighting someone that can punch back.

All of these fighters that excite you rarely seem to get a mention in between your various meltdowns over Haye and bandwagons.

It ain't me going into meltdown fella. I'm quite happy to let people rant away about how much of a charlatan he is and have a go at me for not handing him over to the UN for war crimes of some such hysterical nonsense. I wish he hadn't piddled away his chance to make a decent name for himself in the HW division but ultimately, he's a grown man and can do what he likes. I like watching him fight and it'll be a shame if he doesn't fight again but I'm sure I'll get over it.

Just a pity other posters get a bit carried away.

PS If I write the words "this really annoys me" or "I'm so angry" etc etc etc don't take it for granted that I'm frothing at the mouth and getting all unnecessary about a subject. I'm generally quite placid and level-headed when I'm typing but some folk do tend to think that my words reflect my mood.

LordDowlais wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pascal, Bute, Cleverly, Froch

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?? Why list off (3) guys who aren't even divisional King Pins?

I raise you Mayweather, Pacman, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Ward (potential legend if he gets his arris in gear).

If Mayweather and Pacman ever got it on then I would be excited, but the others, meh.  

Don't watch boxing then, you're clearly not a fan.

Exactly.

Basically the definition of casual 'arm chair' fan. Even arm chair might be a stretch...