Groves Launches An Appeal

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George Groves was out in New Jersey last week, appealing to the IBF to issue a rematch between him and Carl Froch. He says he will find out the decision this week.

Do you think he deserves a rematch? Will Carl fight him or ditch the belts in the search of a bigger money fight possibly in Vegas?

True Jeff, I was automatically thinking of Ward happening in the States again. I'd assume with Groves on the scene that's blew the chances for Ward happening over here for Carl, as you mentioned it would cost an arm and leg to get Ward into the departures and although it would be a huge attendance, you can see Groves doing similar if not better numbers in attendance and on SBO.
Sky may force matchrooms hand on this one if Carl is reluctant, wouldn't surprise if we have a some sort of fall out, he can't fight anyone else bar Groves whether he likes it or not.

Hopefully it comes off , I'd love to attend , mind doubt id pay to watch a stadium fight, nice atmosphere but generally the viewing is cr@p, you end up watching it on the big screen.

Cheers Rodders

Who cares if Groves wins the WBO? He could push for a rematch that everyone wants to see, would be a massive fight and on the basis of the first one could be a classic or he could go for the WBO and become a "world champion".

I agree with Truss, I'd like to see Groves to after Bika or Steigletz. Maybe enhance his reputation by beating Kessler but he certainly shouldn't chase the Froch rematch to the point where he's stood still.

I certainly don't think Froch can adapt should the rematch happen so it's all down to groves to make the adjustments to get himself over the line one way or another.

As for Ward, after the BUrns-Beltran fiasco closely followed by Froch-Groves, if I were him I wouldn't come anywhere near a Hearn fight in the UK.

Just saw on "Ringside" that Carl Froch has verbally comitted to the re-match

He verbally commited to the rematch after the first bout! In fact anytime a camera is in his face he talks it up as if he wants and by doing it he is doing us & Groves a favour.

Whether he actually follows through with the promise is another thing!

I'd imagine away from the camera he is tying himself up in knots with his thoughts such is the contradiction in his thought processes. A legend of British boxing no doubt given his stellar career...but for my money he is bricking it regards getting back into the ring with Groves. Don't think he fancies it deep down but he isn't going to come out and say that.

Yes, he pointedly said "I'll beat him again, remember that I beat him already..." the gist was, "it's easy money for me to take this fight,it's beneath me really but if you're going to give me another easy night, why not?"
Which is  pretty pathetic and not at all believeable.He told Johnny Nelson something to the effect  that anyone who wants to see the fight should approach his manager to arrange it, which is a bit odd...really forced flippancy in my opinion, as if he never once thought of asking his own manager for a fight.He did acknowledge that the public were clamouring for it which leads me to think that he does 'get' that he needs to fight Groves

Truth is, Froch doesn't mind getting beaten by a man everyone widely acknowledges as the best in the division but it kills Froch to think that he might get beaten by someone he's so publicly ridiculed.

Post match interview, if he'd said "dear Lord he's a lot better than I thought and he's deserves a lot of credit." I believe a lot of people would have understood if he wanted to go another route but the fact is that he's still belittling Groves as a fighter but is balking at the opportunity to beat him again and earn a career high pay day in the process

Very true Dave, the one thing you cannot dois convince people they did not see what they saw, and what people who watched the fight saw was Froch struggle hugely with Groves. To argue there is no justification for a rematch or Groves is a level below him comes across as bitter, childish and an insult to the intelligence of those that watched the fight.

DAVE667 wrote:Truth is, Froch doesn't mind getting beaten by a man everyone widely acknowledges as the best in the division but it kills Froch to think that he might get beaten by someone he's so publicly ridiculed.

Post match interview, if he'd said "dear Lord he's a lot better than I thought and he's deserves a lot of credit." I believe a lot of people would have understood if he wanted to go another route but the fact is that he's still belittling Groves as a fighter but is balking at the opportunity to beat him again and earn a career high pay day in the process

Good points.....Also remember GROVES is a fellow BRIT !!

Dave makes a good point. Froch has dug himself into a hole by failing to reconize Groves' talent. If he fights Chavez next I, and every other British boxing fan, will be very sad. Froch just needs to rematch Groves and that is that. The rematch is huge for British boixng. Huge. We are tlaking Benn v Eubank (and not in the way everybody mentions Benn and Eubank when two Brits meet) and this fight cannot be allowed to slip away.

This is probably old news but i've read on SSN that Groves has rejected a 7 figure sum for the rematch so looks like Chavez Jr all the way now

Yeh that's just come out now Tommy...

Everyone on twitter awaiting a response from Groves to the statement. Given it was immediately put onto Matchroom boxing site and then Tweeted by them I personally think it's an attempt to make Froch look like he is doing everything to make the rematch happen & Groves is being difficult...essentially trying to leave Froch smelling of roses so that fans buy into a Chavez match.....

Whilst the offer may have been a 7 figure sum...no one states the percentage value of that sum. A million plus is good no doubt...but if it's 10% of the overall purse it's an insult!

Agreed Owen, they are already talking of putting this in a football stadium which would mean approximately 40,000 people playing about £100 on average. PPV is almost a given, if you get half a million paying £15 the money it already represents a chunk of money. Seven figures sounds a lot of money but if it is £1m on the nail represents a pretty small percentage of the total pot.

Clever from Hearn and Matchroom a statement like this. Makes it sound like Groves is avoiding the fight or being unreasonable when the reality may be a lot more complicated than that.

More news filtering out that conditions to the contract offered means Groves would have to sign a follow on 4 fight contract with Matchroom! So basically low ball offer plus future options on Groves himself!

Are Matchroom trying to get people to hate Froch more; not good business if all of this is true!

Is Eddie taking lessons from Bernte Boente on how to alienate the planet one person at a time?

Would seem that way DAVE667...clever by Hearn if true but very weasel like!

Can see why Groves would turn it down. If he wins then Hearn has him on the cheap with a set percentage of future earnings...Groves would have no room to maneuver & no way to negotiate.

I don't think anyone would tie there hands in that manner knowing the wealth & rewards a win could bring. Would be stupidity of the highest order!

Well at least it's massaged Frochs ego, by saying we offered George the fight.

Who'd be a boxing fan , Chavez vs Froch, who cares ?

Cheers Rodders

owen10ozzy wrote:Would seem that way DAVE667...clever by Hearn if true but very weasel like!

Can see why Groves would turn it down. If he wins then Hearn has him on the cheap with a set percentage of future earnings...Groves would have no room to maneuver & no way to negotiate.

I don't think anyone would tie there hands in that manner knowing the wealth & rewards a win could bring. Would be stupidity of the highest order!

Of course, the Froch Army won't see it that way, just that Groves is a loud mouth and a coward and completely undeserving of another chance to share the ring with their hero

Ha just had a personal tweet from Eddie on our V2 boxing account after I had a discussion with other users about the possible split purse being low ball and it being an attempt to leave Froch smelling of roses..

Hearns response ''You couldn't be further from the truth on every count'

My reply..

'Twitter will talk till full story is revealed, nature of #socialmedia' ..lets see if he bites and responds again!

Only way to know for certain is to put the contract up online for everyone to see Eddie Boy

Loving the work you're doing in my absence mate! You and Cal from boxing mad magazine could cause a riot!

Hope Hearn is not going to expect us to believe that Groves doesn't want the fight. He went to see the IBF to get a rematch ordered , he has talked about the fight constantly since he was wrongly stopped in November, why would he turn it down unless it's a dogs offer ?

Cheers Rodders

It's brilliant mate!! Hopefully Eddie doesn't get to annoyed given we would like him on the show! My last tweet could go viral!

@EddieHearn Nature of #socialmedia means people will always talk. Conjecture & rumours can be put to bed by revealing all! #frochgroves

To which people have put #V2Philosophy ...lets get it trending!!   

Sounds like quality spin..........Maybe Hearn should try politics.

Every time I see a word or phrase peceded by a hashtag I feel a little piece of me dies inside.

I'd like to see the introduction of an independant abritration panel whose sole aim is to look at contracts and make an independant decsion as to whether or not an offer is fair or derisory. They could also look at whether or not these further four fight stipulations are reasonable and advise accordingly.

"Don't care if you want £12 million mate, we've looked at the figures and £400k is more than fair."


Then if the fighters still refuse to sign the contracts, the opponent is free to look elsewhere.

Ha ha you're getting old like me Rowls......Only you look it !!

I wouldn't know where to start trying to use twitter......Spreadsheets and databases still give me a headache..

My nephew tried to explain it to me once Truss. I gave up, he is brilliant on it, ask the little moron to name five European capital cities though and he has not got a clue.

Rowley wrote:Every time I see a word or phrase peceded by a hashtag I feel a little piece of me dies inside.

I take it you won't be following #ihatesocialmedia (if such a thing is even possible)

Have to admit I am not a fan but that's more down the the fact that I'm not smart enough to do than the very basics and more importantly, I'm just not cool enough to be twittererererer.

I had a twitter account last year for about 30 mins. Just picked a few random but relatively sane users to "follow" and the utter sh!te they posted with skullcrushingly annoying frequency was beyond belief. Also had a FACEBOOK account to prove a point to my wife (namely that FACEBOOK is sh!t and anyone on it needs to have a word with themselves...except her, she's great). You "friend" someone and are then subjected to the inner (non)workings of their minds and end up despairing for mankind in general. It's awful

Friend of mine has to "friend" his kids on FACEBOOK so he knew what the hell they were up to. Depressing!

Rowley wrote:My nephew tried to explain it to me once Truss. I gave up, he is brilliant on it, ask the little moron to name five European capital cities though and he has not got a clue.

My nephew's the same...can hardly remember to open his eyes again once he's blinked but can rattle of all 600+ Pokemon characters and spends most of his time making a point of showing me just how disinterested he is in anything I do (except when he wants me to download a film or album and then he couldn't nicer...the little ****)

I was out chucking a baseball about and trying to pull girls and failing miserably........

That's my excuse when my eldest looks at me like I'm a complete idiot...

Which is pretty much all the time..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I was out chucking a baseball about and trying to pull girls and failing miserably........

That's my excuse when my eldest looks at me like I'm a complete idiot...

Which is pretty much all the time..

Fer Christ's sake man, you're nearly 50 years old...get a frisbee. They're waaaaay cooler!

I'm closer to 40..........My curveball was just like a frisby !!  

Have the mental age of a 21 year old.......

Apparently Groves is happy with the percentage and terms.....Just wasn't happy in the contract where it stated he had to say Froch was a 4-time champion twenty times a day !!

TRUSS in "I'm a massive bender" confession

Thought it was common knowledge..

People saying the word Chillax and LOL should be sent to a Vietenamese prison and have horrible things done their anatomy.

Call me miserable but I detest the majority of the newest generation

Cheers Rodders

Rodney wrote:People saying the word Chillax and LOL should have have horrible things done to their anatomy.

I wondered where I was going wrong on a Saturday night.

Wonder if this is why quite a few posters have a soft spot for boring old,spoiling old Bernard Hopkins.The fact that I'm nearer his age does frankly endear him much more to me. I bet James DeGale chillaxes.
Mind you Larry David is my role model,and he got on fairly well with Crazee Eyed Killa...so there's hope yet for us oldies to like, get with it,daddio.

To say Larry got on fairly well with him is a stretch. He would steal Larry's stuff, "borrow" his car and basically moved in to his house and claimed squatter's rights.

All very funny, but hardly a marriage made in Heaven.

Got to hand it to Hoppo........But he can only fight one minute a round and spends the rest of his time pretending the other guy is holding on and getting away with it...

Not a good advertisement to have a 50 yr old at the top of the sport..Mate.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Got to hand it to Hoppo........But he can only fight one minute a round and spends the rest of his time pretending the other guy is holding on and getting away with it...

Not a good advertisement to have a 50 yr old at the top of the sport..Mate.

But then Froch gets beat from pillar to post and claims he dominated the fight.

Not a good advert to have a deluded whingebag at the top of the sport either

I agree..........Got help us If they fight eachother

Somebody should put a bounty on retiring Hopkins

Groves has just tweeted that his appeal was successful and the IBF have ordered the rematch.

hampo171 wrote:Groves has just tweeted that his appeal was successful and the IBF have ordered the rematch.

Great News

I now look forward to several months of excuses as to why this fight won't go ahead and for Groves makes Team Froch look more and more pathetic in the process during their tc interviews. Adam Smith to look like he's about to sh!t a bowling ball live on air as Froch goes into meltdown and Groves really does reduce him to tears this time.

Grove to pull out a deck of cards, and say to Froch "Pick one and show it to the camera so everyone at home can read it" On it is a breakdown of how Groves is going to dispatch Carl in their fight and Groves then asks if Froch would like to choose another card instead. Froch runs off set closely followed by Eddie Hearn with a warm towel and Johnny Nelson's head explodes.

  

I think he will vacate to be honest! Putting yet another contradiction of what he say's into the history books.

Groves to pick up the belt...DeGale to fight and beat Bika....British showdown for Unification in Autumn giving Froch the two fingers to another payday!!?

Hope its true. And Hearn hopefully gets shafted out of trying to underpay him and extort him into a signing a multi fight deal. Biggest worry is that there will Matchroom officials again out to get Groves for not signing up.