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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 12:30 pm

http://www.thescore.ie/video-freddie-burns-england-saxons-irish-wolfhounds-1283246-Jan2014/

The story of two team desperately trying to out do each other in hysterical desire to lose a close game of rugby.

Firstly, having learned nothing from the All Blacks defeat, the Irish recklessly kicked away possession with the clock running out and then their defensive composure which had held England Saxons scoreless aside from one streaky intercept try totally deserted them.

Next Freddie Burns with hero status beckoning capped off a disasterous performance with a bizarre "miracle pass to the linesman". When composure would've seen him recycle back in field in search of a convertible try which was surely inevitable.

Here in lies the difference between the All Blacks and the chasing pack at the moment.

It's all about faith in the team mates around you to do their jobs. Calm decision making and confident execution.

Who knows how long it will take Burns to get over the psychological trauma he inflicted on himself with his humiliating finale, but the signs are that both he and his opposite number have some deep soul searching to be getting on with.

It was a fitting eulogy to the match between the emerging and fringe stars of England and Ireland that the man of the match was a Kiwi, seemingly the only man on the pitch who brought a composed and conservative wet weather game to the atrocious conditions, and had the presence of mind and skillful execution to score the games highlight try and usher the wolfhounds to victory.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 26 Jan 2014, 12:59 pm

New wum today GE. Best of luck after your recent failures.

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Post by Barney McGrew did it Sun 26 Jan 2014, 2:37 pm

I know this isn't entirely on-topic (whatever that is), but I just thought you needed cheering up a bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCsAWb25FkM
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Post by Notch Sun 26 Jan 2014, 2:39 pm

When it comes to Kiwis talking about keeping your composure, I prefer Flight of the Conchords to GloriousEmpire;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYDqCSTospY
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Post by GunsGerms Sun 26 Jan 2014, 3:22 pm

Issac Boss is fairly Irish at this stage. He has played in Ireland most of his professional career. Almost 10 years.

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:05 pm

Amazing how the kiwi in him still shines through isn't it?

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Post by GunsGerms Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:13 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:Amazing how the kiwi in him still shines through isn't it?

Composure is something that very frustratingly lots of very talented Irish players do not have. Luke Fitzgerald for example is physically an incredible rugby player, has all the attributes of a cracking player yet he has 0 composure and rugby brain.

O'Driscoll does have bags and bags of composure and tends to make the right decision every time as a result.

Boss might be a Kiwi and in my opinion a really good player but in fairness he is as much as product of Irish rugby as anything else.

I think one of the differences between the two teams last night was decision making. Lets not forget an Irish guy Ian Madigan scored the winning try and it was as a result of good brave decision making. He also made the decision to kick to touch which set the platform for excellent Boss' try. That said I accept Ireland werent that good and I'm a little dissapointed given the number of internationals playing that they didnt win by more.

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Post by GunsGerms Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:16 pm

You might not realise GE but emotion as a motivating factor is a very Irish thing particularly in rugby. Its quite common for players to allow themselves to get quite worked up prior to and during matches possibly to the detriment of good decision making. Its both a strength and a weakness.

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:23 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:Amazing how the kiwi in him still shines through isn't it?
The idiotic mullet?
(apologies for the obvious redundancy contained therein)

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:55 pm

Ever noticed that the giant three kiwi sponsors logo is actually bigger than the irfu logo on the Ireland jersey?

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Post by GunsGerms Sun 26 Jan 2014, 4:57 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:Ever noticed that the giant three kiwi sponsors logo is actually bigger than the irfu logo on the Ireland jersey?

So? Puma sponsor Ireland now,

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

Are you saying it's just an old photo? Wow.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Jan 2014, 7:56 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:http://www.thescore.ie/video-freddie-burns-england-saxons-irish-wolfhounds-1283246-Jan2014/
Here in lies the difference between the All Blacks and the chasing pack at the moment.

Hopefully nobody else will insult the All Blacks by doing a compare-and-contrast between them and two national A teams!

It's all about faith in the team mates around you to do their jobs. Calm decision making and confident execution.

Absolutely correct here.  It is about faith in the team mates around you.  But it has to be more than blind faith - it has to be real faith.  So again, an A team isn't really going to be able to amass as much inner faith in itself as the mighty All Blacks in smooth top gear.  Correct?

It was a fitting eulogy to the match between the emerging and fringe stars of England and Ireland that the man of the match was a Kiwi, seemingly the only man on the pitch who brought a composed and conservative wet weather game to the atrocious conditions, and had the presence of mind and skillful execution to score the games highlight try and usher the wolfhounds to victory.

I'm not sure how you regard a veteran (33) - demoted to playing on an A team yet obviously wanting the Real Deal - as some kind of eulogy to a game filled mostly with much younger more natural A team men?

I like Boss.  I think he's there or thereabout deserving the place of second to Murray...depending on the gameplay devised by Schmidt for any given game....but you don't highlight an 'old man' in a 'kids' game and tell him you're doing him a service marking out his composure.  That's the least he should have, with his experience.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Jan 2014, 8:03 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:Ever noticed that the giant three kiwi sponsors logo is actually bigger than the irfu logo on the Ireland jersey?

 Laugh You're good, Glorious. You mean the Kiwi Logo even whooped the IRFU logo on the shirt. Beaten again. Dear Lord. The Battle of the Logos - 'Mine's bigger than yours'. 'Oh yeah? Well only this year. Next year we're going to have a Monster Raving Loony Party rosette cartwheel with our logo on it!"

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 8:44 pm

SecretFly wrote:
GloriousEmpire wrote:http://www.thescore.ie/video-freddie-burns-england-saxons-irish-wolfhounds-1283246-Jan2014/
Here in lies the difference between the All Blacks and the chasing pack at the moment.

Hopefully nobody else will insult the All Blacks by doing a compare-and-contrast between them and two national A teams!

It's all about faith in the team mates around you to do their jobs. Calm decision making and confident execution.

Absolutely correct here.  It is about faith in the team mates around you.  But it has to be more than blind faith - it has to be real faith.  So again, an A team isn't really going to be able to amass as much inner faith in itself as the mighty All Blacks in smooth top gear.  Correct?

It was a fitting eulogy to the match between the emerging and fringe stars of England and Ireland that the man of the match was a Kiwi, seemingly the only man on the pitch who brought a composed and conservative wet weather game to the atrocious conditions, and had the presence of mind and skillful execution to score the games highlight try and usher the wolfhounds to victory.

I'm not sure how you regard a veteran (33) - demoted to playing on an A team yet obviously wanting the Real Deal - as some kind of eulogy to a game filled mostly with much younger more natural A team men?

I like Boss.  I think he's there or thereabout deserving the place of second to Murray...depending on the gameplay devised by Schmidt for any given game....but you don't highlight an 'old man' in a 'kids' game and tell him you're doing him a service marking out his composure.  That's the least he should have, with his experience.

At this level, yes. Players should trust their counterparts in defense, and to do their job cohesively to close out a game. This just devolves into panic. 30 guys trying to act as individuals. I'd expect better in NZ from my high school team to be honest, let alone A grade internationals.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Jan 2014, 9:03 pm

Again...what you believe should happen isn't the sticking point, it's the actual word 'trust'.  Trust comes from playing together and respecting the skills of those around you.  That doesn't appear, that develops - thus schools, college, juniors, A team, seniors.  If everybody completely trusted their teammates and gameplans, then every game in the world would end up a stalemate in the middle of every rugby field.  Some players just aren't as good as others and some or their colleagues know it.

McCaw isn't still there because his team-mates 'should' trust him, he's there because he's proved himself the guy to trust.  You earn it, it's an instinct amongst players in successful sides.

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 9:13 pm

Wow. Ymthe problems you face are larger than I thought!

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Post by SecretFly Sun 26 Jan 2014, 9:15 pm

It's all extremely simple really. Wink

Read it a few times, you'll get the logic ...eventually.

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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 9:47 pm

I get what you're saying, I'm just terrified if nh sides run out with that mentality. Perhaps you're right, maybe that's the problem. Certainly the English Backline seem to be only fleeting acquaintances and their forward pack seem loathed to give them the ball.

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Post by Poorfour Sun 26 Jan 2014, 10:29 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:I get what you're saying, I'm just terrified if nh sides run out with that mentality. Perhaps you're right, maybe that's the problem. Certainly the English Backline seem to be only fleeting acquaintances and their forward pack seem loathed to give them the ball.

Well that's it right there, isn't it? That Saxons backline had never played together before. They've had a week to prepare and for several of them it was their first game at senior International level. This year's Saxons are for the first time in a long time players on a trajectory between the U20s and the senior side rather than possibles and backups. There were no Haskells, Worsleys or Varndells in that side.

I think Lancaster's trying to build the sort of pathway from U20 to full cap that the ABs have, and by 2019 I think it will be working nicely - and more importantly preparing the Saxons players to slot straight into the senior side. But you're not going to get instant fluidity in game one with a brand new squad with an average age of 23 or something.
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Post by GloriousEmpire Sun 26 Jan 2014, 11:41 pm

There's a difference between fluidity and trust though.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 27 Jan 2014, 8:00 am

It's all about trust Gary.

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Post by GloriousEmpire Mon 27 Jan 2014, 9:53 am

Yep, no matter who is defending inside or outside, to do your own job well you have to trust that they will make the tackle and not drift early or hesitate, kick the ball away aimlessly or throw it into touch on the 80th minute when you're down by 5.

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