Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

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Mancini was terrible, how I wish he was still there.

Should have walked the league the last 2 years with the squad he had and gotten out of his cl groups.

[mystiroakey]

By the way I get what you are saying,

"west ham are better than palace and are a proper team and Pulis plays a brand of football that is lame"

We are both yo yo clubs mate.  

You may be at the higher end of that elite group of teams. But you are still one of them..  

You may have had a better recent success and a better overall history. But the teams are not that far apart in the grand scheme of things.

Anyway as a Palace fan I would rather put our relative success down to the players and fans etc over the manager.

But the fact is I cant lie.. Its down to pulis.. I think if pulis got a job at a top club he may make a lot of people eat there words.

[NickisBHAFC]

I must say i think Palace will stay up now. Football is not pretty and is not what you want to be seeing. But that's Tony Pulis for you. Will gett you results.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I actually wasn't saying that Mysti. You needn't be so defensive. It is merely current situations. Add in the context of how awkward our fans are too and it makes it relative to context based around clubs. Whilst we are in similar positions, that is only the right now, we have been in relatively different positions, although not large gaps in the grand scheme of things, in the recent past. Any club that was in danger of dropping down and has past of not yo-yo'ing up quickly would need a relegation fight manager. If he keeps you up for 5 years but never much more than that then we'll see what happens then

[mystiroakey]

Dolph It was tongue in check mate.

My point revolves around pulis as a manager that maybe shouldn't be type casted and could actually do more than just win 50/50 games.

[Crimey]

You are very prone to hyperbole Mysti.

Pulis is a decent manager who can do a good job with clubs in the lower ends of the table but struggles to take them beyond that and in uses a style of football that can become frustrating for fans.

[mystiroakey]

You are very prone to hyperbole Mysti.

Pulis is a decent manager who can do a good job with clubs in the lower ends of the table but struggles to take them beyond that and in uses a style of football that can become frustrating for fans.

You have no idea how pulis would play given a decent set of player. As i stated previously most fans are very narrow minded when it comes to managers and pigeon hole them. Not realising they are people that learn and move forward.

They think just because a manager has had success with one style because that was the best style with a given set of players they wont be able to do it differently with better players.

That is pure nonsense IMO.. They could just be great managers and could be adaptable when it suits

[Crimey]

You are very prone to hyperbole Mysti.

Pulis is a decent manager who can do a good job with clubs in the lower ends of the table but struggles to take them beyond that and in uses a style of football that can become frustrating for fans.

You have no idea how pulis would play given a decent set of player. As i stated previously most fans are very narrow minded when it comes to managers and pigeon hole them. Not realising they are people that learn and move forward.

They think just because a manager has had success with one style because that was the best style with a given set of players they wont be able to do it differently with better players.

That is pure nonsense IMO.. They could just be great managers and could be adaptable when it suits

I didn't say that Pulis could only do that, but we only have evidence of him doing that. It's pure speculation to say that Pulis could be a different type of manager with a different set of players, it might be the case that he'd struggle with a big club with lots of top players because it's a different style of management, it might be that he's actually been a duck out of water with smaller clubs, we can't know and will likely never know because the style Pulis uses and the success he has had doesn't attract big clubs.

If he wasn't the Crystal Palace manager right now mysti, you would be saying something completely different. Just like your tune changed on Holloway after he was sacked.

[mystiroakey]

"If he wasn't the Crystal Palace manager right now mysti, you would be saying something completely different"

To be fair that was allways my point

I admitted that. I also stated to a west ham fan that if his team had taken on Pulis he may have also changed his tune.

This is not hyperbole this is just a differing opinion from the norm.. I cant see Pulis being stuck in his ways.. He is just a clever manager. If he gets a chance to manage quality I may be proven right.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Maybe in different times, but not now, we've had our attritional manager and we wont be wanting another. Not a slight on him, more on Allardyce

[mystiroakey]

Stoke fans became unhappy with Pulis because they thought he kept them stagnant.

Everton fans were happy that Moyes kept them stagnant and he went to Man u.

The previous best team in the pl get moyes, the worst team at the start get Pulis...

Its an odd one.

[Crimey]

Stoke fans became unhappy with Pulis because they thought he kept them stagnant.

Everton fans were happy that Moyes kept them stagnant and he went to Man u.

The previous best team in the pl get moyes, the worst team at the start get Pulis...

Its an odd one.

Don't pretend they're the same thing. Moyes was a fantastic manager at Everton who was knocking on the door of the top four for most of his tenure as well as playing fairly entertaining football. Pulis kept Stoke at a mid-table level although in his last year they looked like they were getting closer to being relegated playing football that the Stoke fans could barely bring themselves to watch any more.

[mystiroakey]

whos pretending?

but what they did was very similar from there prospective levels. bar there next appointment where pulis went one notch down and Moyes went one notch up

stoke go from a mid table champs team to a lower half prem team then he gets sacked and goes to relegation candidates.

Moyes takes lower half pl club to top half stays there and then goes to the champions.

I think the big difference is that Pulis could move up, not sure about Moyes- but then he was already at a higher level.

[mystiroakey]

"oyes was a fantastic manager at Everton who was knocking on the door of the top four for most of his tenure as well as playing fairly entertaining football. "

by the way- if you want to understand what hyperbole is- the above is a good example  

[Mat]

I don't think Pulis can adapt his style and I think that was shown at Stoke in the end. He tried to bring in a better quality/different type of player but he couldn't get them to flourish. The likes of Palacios, Tuncay, Gudjonsen, Charlie Adam and maybe even Peter Crouch struggled under him. I'd argue the only technical footballer that really flourished under Pulis was Matty Etherington.

However, that doesn't really matter as he's at Palace now and is doing an unbelievable job at the moment. He was exactly what Palace needed, he's obviously tightened them up a little and it's not like they are scoring lots less goals than they were under Holloway.

[The Special Juan]

My god how in the holy high hell didn't Newcastle win that game, we were absolutely effin atrocious, I've never seen such an inept performance as I saw in the first half from us. Why would you back off Remy and Ben Arfa??!

The only positive is Bradley Johnson is suspended for three games so we might actually be able to pass the ball now. I cringed when he went down, just shocking he deserved a red for that alone.

Wes not even in the squad

You say that every game!! #HollowayIn

[westisbest]

Christ 2 down in 10 mins.

We are so bad at home.

[Guest]

What a goal Aguero. Silva the magician.

Villa making the comeback 2-1

[The Special Juan]

Save of the decade.

[The Special Juan]

Poor Michael Dawson. Scores the goal of his life and it's offside!

[westisbest]

3-3 ht at Villa Park.

This game is set up for a Grant Holt winner  

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

You are very prone to hyperbole Mysti.

Pulis is a decent manager who can do a good job with clubs in the lower ends of the table but struggles to take them beyond that and in uses a style of football that can become frustrating for fans.

He spent ridiculous amounts at Stoke to try and progress the style of football and failed miserably.

He's good until a point.

And mysti's whole if he has good players argument is rubbish, cos he had more than enough money at Stoke to buy good players but he ended up spending obscene amounts of utter dross

[sportform]

So it looks like Man City have won a game by dubious decisions for the second time this month.

Michael Dawson's goal should have stood. Linesman got it wrong. Danny Rose clearly won the ball.

Both decisions could have been cleared up within 30 seconds had there been a video assistant in radio contact with the referee.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Pulis is much like Hughton the more I think about...

[sportform]

3-3 ht at Villa Park.

This game is set up for a Grant Holt winner  

The 'thrilla at Villa'.

[mystiroakey]

Houghton   

[westisbest]

OOoooooooohhh Cristian Benteke.

[mystiroakey]

come on villa!!!

[The Special Juan]

I think Pulis is similar to Steve Bruce in that he'll take your team up and keep them up but will never get any further than "just surviving".  You could probably put Allardyce in the bracket too.  These managers will keep your team up but never develop them into sides pushing for a top half finish.

[mystiroakey]

Not sure i agree- as many have said about Everton on the Moyes thread- there is a window at clubs.

there is clear hierarchy.

top 6

then a few stranded in the middle like Everton(fan base), Southampton(there due to youth set up over manager- and that isn't even proving that much at the moment) and Newcastle(fan base).

Then we have the next 11 and you may as well add another 10 champ clubs to that group as well.

To penetrate out of each level you need something so special.. and that is normally down to one thing and one thing only.. Money !

[mystiroakey]

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what do i do??

[Hammersmith harrier]

To be honest Mysti I think getting a mid table team into the top four is more challenging than taking a relegation threatened team into mid table. The money the top 4/6 have at their disposal is immense compared to the rest, penetrating into the mix without the investment is next to impossible. If you're Everton and you have a top player who's progressed well he will be snapped up by the best teams, it's two completely different situations.

[sportform]

I think Pulis is similar to Steve Bruce in that he'll take your team up and keep them up but will never get any further than "just surviving".  You could probably put Allardyce in the bracket too.  These managers will keep your team up but never develop them into sides pushing for a top half finish.

Stoke finished between 11th and 14th in the Premier League under Tony Pulis. For a club their size that is more than plenty above what they should be achieving. Some clubs/ fans seem to have illusions of grandeur.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I think Pulis is similar to Steve Bruce in that he'll take your team up and keep them up but will never get any further than "just surviving".  You could probably put Allardyce in the bracket too.  These managers will keep your team up but never develop them into sides pushing for a top half finish.

Stoke finished between 11th and 14th in the Premier League under Tony Pulis. For a club their size that is more than plenty above what they should be achieving. Some clubs/ fans seem to have illusions of grandeur.

Or actually wanting to watch some half decent football

[mystiroakey]

argg agonising cash out this..

extra time everywhere.- take home up to 700 quid..

[mystiroakey]

Hold out West ham!

[mystiroakey]

chelsea cost me 600 quid.

oh well. lol

bettings a mugs game lads.

[mystiroakey]

Did chelsea just score a disallowed goal!!

sweet i won!

[The Special Juan]

I think Pulis is similar to Steve Bruce in that he'll take your team up and keep them up but will never get any further than "just surviving".  You could probably put Allardyce in the bracket too.  These managers will keep your team up but never develop them into sides pushing for a top half finish.

Stoke finished between 11th and 14th in the Premier League under Tony Pulis. For a club their size that is more than plenty above what they should be achieving. Some clubs/ fans seem to have illusions of grandeur.

How many seasons did they do it for?

[westisbest]

Great win for the Villa, it what was a great derby.

Tekkers scoring in the last 3 games.

Well done Villa.

Now off to Goodison Park.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

All Chelsea needed was Juan goal

[The Special Juan]

All Chelsea needed was Juan goal

That's a terrible pun. What's the Mata with you?

[mystiroakey]

No one bats an eyelid when Man Citeh win 5-1

The worrying thing for chelsea and Arsenal is they were away and to a top side!!

It helps my point about AVB being possibly sacked to early!

But anyway. Its citehs to lose from here on in.

[socal1976]

There you go hammers despite nearly 7 minutes of extra time gifted to the pompous one, they hold out. I love it Arsenal in second by two points with Chelsea and City set to play not a bad position to be in. Although frankly no one can stand in front of this juggernaut bought with an oil dictator's ill gotten gains.

[socal1976]

No one bats an eyelid when Man Citeh win 5-1

The worrying thing for chelsea and Arsenal is they were away and to a top side!!

It helps my point about AVB being possibly sacked to early!

But anyway. Its citehs to lose from here on in.

The match was 1-0 till a dubious penalty kick and red card to danny rose who got the all before he made any contact with the attacker. They played against ten men the whole second half after the referee busted the match open for them.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

BATSHITCRAZY!

[mystiroakey]

Well done dolph..

great result- and they won me a nice sum as well.. Thank gawd they missed that pen. My betting page flashed up 1-0 to chelsea for a second

[socal1976]

BATSHITCRAZY!

Thanks for the confession but I won't hold it against you.

[mystiroakey]

Maybe you were right Dolph- maybe you do have your own Pulis

[Dolphin Ziggler]

When on earth did they miss a pen?! Did I pass out? Eto'o tried to steal a goal and then Lampard missed when 99/100 he scores. YO ADRIAN, WE DID IT

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Mourinho is livid. They missed the kind of player who can unlock a defence with vision, a wand of a left foot and gorgeous passing...

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