Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Ent]

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Mancini was terrible, how I wish he was still there.

Should have walked the league the last 2 years with the squad he had and gotten out of his cl groups.

[Bull]

When will Moyes realize Young is rubbish?

[Champagne_Socialist]

so moyes has spent nearly £70 million and his team is still rubbish.

How do you go from title winners to being 6 points behind 4th place is beyond me. Man U have a very good team with VP, Rooney, Janujai, Mata and yet they still can't beat Stoke.

[Guest]

problem is, as i've said before, you can't just play rvp, rooney, mata & januzaj for example at the same time and just hope to blow teams away. this league will open you open up & punish you if you've got weak areas & don't defend properly or have a weak core. United have that & it's plain for everyone to see. You can show off Mata as a signing, however, he wasn't actually needed. Yes, you can't ignore him & not buy him, that's foolish, but you've got to address the areas that need addressing before you go buying luxury players. Cleverley - unbelievably shocking.

Moyes can say whatever he wants about the summer, top 4 is looking slim now. you wont be able to attract the world class players & rooney wont sign. end off.

[Champagne_Socialist]

problem is, as i've said before, you can't just play rvp, rooney, mata & januzaj for example at the same time and just hope to blow teams away. this league will open you open up & punish you if you've got weak areas & don't defend properly or have a weak core. United have that & it's plain for everyone to see. You can show off Mata as a signing, however, he wasn't actually needed. Yes, you can't ignore him & not buy him, that's foolish, but you've got to address the areas that need addressing before you go buying luxury players. Cleverley - unbelievably shocking.

Moyes can say whatever he wants about the summer, top 4 is looking slim now. you wont be able to attract the world class players & rooney wont sign. end off.

I agree, whilst mata is a great player he wasn't actually needed. Man U have a very weak central Midfield and very weak defence.

They should have bought a quality CM rather than mata.

[Ent]

Weren't any available, we were desperate for quality so we bought mata. Can't complain.

I'd just play the four of them and see what happens, not like we are solid with any other combination of players.

Top four is gone now, this season has been far far worse than I could have possibly imagined and I thought it was going to be a disaster!

[Champagne_Socialist]

Weren't any available, we were desperate for quality so we bought mata. Can't complain.

I'd just play the four of them and see what happens, not like we are solid with any other combination of players.

Top four is gone now, this season has been far far worse than I could have possibly imagined and I thought it was going to be a disaster!

I'm sure there were players who would be available, especially as you had close to £40 million to spend.

[mystiroakey]

Cabaye..

Boy do Newcastle miss him.. And psg won't play him..

[Ent]

Very few true quality players available in January and we signed one.

I'm sure if a good midfielder had become available we would have signed one.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Very few true quality players available in January and we signed one.

I'm sure if a good midfielder had become available we would have signed one.

with 40 million you could make players available. Mata was not available, especially as Mourinho said in a public interview Mata was not for sale. You offered nearly £40 million and you forced Mourinho into selling him as it was too much money. You could easily have done the same to players from other teams.

Was de Rossi available? no, but if you offered 30/35 million he would have been available (change danielle de Rossi's name to any player from any club excluding the massive clubs eg barca, madrid etc)

[Hammersmith harrier]

We didn't force Chelsea into doing anything, if they didn't want to sell him they wouldn't have done, Moyes said as much himself.

Players have to be available at the right place, there's no point throwing money about it for the sake of it, for the money we were willing to spend there obviously wasn't anyone available, if there was do you not think we'd have signed them.

[hampo17]

I disagree, your problems are in the centre of the midfield and at centre back. From memory I don't remember you being linked with any players in that position.

Moyes has brought in Mata which improves your squad, however it doesn't improve the key areas that drastically need improving. It's not like he tried to bring any players in at CM or CB in the summer either.

[Hammersmith harrier]

We were linked with Kroos a central midfielder, a lot will go on behind closed doors that the papers don't know about, the majority of what they write is garbage anyway.

[hampo17]

We were linked with Kroos a central midfielder, a lot will go on behind closed doors that the papers don't know about, the majority of what they write is garbage anyway.

With this current regime and after the way they acted in the summer, a lot of what the press wrote is correct. Kroos is 24, and at probably the best side in the world, he'd have cost you a lot more than £40m. The point CS is making is that there would be numerous players available in the positions United need for the money you've spent.

[Champagne_Socialist]

This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list.

[Hammersmith harrier]

It's about spending the right amount of money Hampo, this isn't football manager and we're not Man City, players have to be available at the right place. As for Kroos he has no interest in signing a contract which only has 18 months left to run, suggestions of him costing in excess of £40mil aren't correct. Moyes has his targets and wants to sign them only, no point doing an Arsenal and panicking trying to sign Klose, Kalou or getting Kallstrom on loan.

[hampo17]

You don't really believe that there were no CMs or CBs available for £35m do you? I'm sure clubs in Spain, Italy, France, Germany have better players than United currently have available and would have been available for that type of cash, probably cheaper in some cases.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I disagree, your problems are in the centre of the midfield and at centre back. From memory I don't remember you being linked with any players in that position.

Moyes has brought in Mata which improves your squad, however it doesn't improve the key areas that drastically need improving. It's not like he tried to bring any players in at CM or CB in the summer either.

man U suffered injuries to Jones and evans who are both CB's. With rio ageingnd being injured quite often and vidic who is serving a ban who is also injury prone it would seem that Man u's weakest position is their defence. I'm shocked they didn't try to do more to get Contrao or even try and get lescott who whilst is not amazing, he would provide that much needed experience and he is desperate to leave city.

I have a funny suspicion that Mourinho knew that Man u were weakest in CM ad at CB and so he sold them Mata knowing it would take up all of their budget and stop them buying players they actually need. Mata was not needed at Chelsea so the 40 million for a bench player is great business for chelsea and then selling him to a rival and using up all of their budget and stopping them basically from signing a player they actually need is a great move by mourinho. The guy is a genius.

[Champagne_Socialist]

You don't really believe that there were no CMs or CBs available for £35m do you? I'm sure clubs in Spain, Italy, France, Germany have better players than United currently have available and would have been available for that type of cash, probably cheaper in some cases.

Exctly, £35/40 million would force clubs to sell, it is just too much money to say no to especially if you are a 2nd tier club eg not barca, madrid, arsenal, PSG etc

[Hammersmith harrier]

You don't really believe that there were no CMs or CBs available for £35m do you? I'm sure clubs in Spain, Italy, France, Germany have better players than United currently have available and would have been available for that type of cash, probably cheaper in some cases.

That's not the case in point here, players have to be available for the price the club are willing to pay, if we'd offered Roma £30mil for De Rossi i'm sure we could have got him but he's not worth anywhere near there. Football is more long term than you are making out.

[Bull]

Will we ever see Social v Hammersmith again? Or was it a once in a life-time?

However I really think its time Moyes gets rid of Young, he is dreadful and often just wastes chances.
Would be nice to try Kagawa out again now with Mata in the fold as well. Just to see the dynamic.

[hampo17]

You don't really believe that there were no CMs or CBs available for £35m do you? I'm sure clubs in Spain, Italy, France, Germany have better players than United currently have available and would have been available for that type of cash, probably cheaper in some cases.

That's not the case in point here, players have to be available for the price the club are willing to pay, if we'd offered Roma £30mil for De Rossi i'm sure we could have got him but he's not worth anywhere near there. Football is more long term than you are making out.

There would be plenty of 25/26 year olds available for £15m who would improve United in CM and CB though. You can't simply say nobody was available, Kim Kallstrom would have improved the United CM situation but they didn't even try for him.

[Hammersmith harrier]

That's just ludicrous Hampo we're not interested in good players we want the best, spending £19mil on a Cabaye type is short term thinking not long term. We don't go down the Liverpool route of buying players for the sake of it.

[FootballLight]

(I know this isn't Premier League but) What is the deal with Leeds and McDermott? And the BBC?? One minute he was sacked as Leeds boss, not in charge of today's game at all and now he is not sacked and still in charge at Leeds, just not in today's game.

WHAT???

[hampo17]

That's just ludicrous Hampo we're not interested in good players we want the best, spending £19mil on a Cabaye type is short term thinking not long term. We don't go down the Liverpool route of buying players for the sake of it.

Funny how you have a dig at Liverpool, yet they've outperformed United in every department so far this season. You may want the best, however football is also about improving what you already have. If you had signed a CB who was ready for first team football then that improves your side. If you had signed a CM that will instantly go in to your first team, that improves your side.

This window United should have settled for bringing in players who are better than what they already have, by doing so it could have helped their push for fourth, instead they signed Mata who while a great signing plays in a position that is already pretty strong anyway.

[Hammersmith harrier]

So you think spending £15-20mil on a player who won't be a long term starter for the club makes economical sense? We don't have a bottomless pit of money so have to make sure we get the right player not just any player.

[hampo17]

How do you know he wouldn't be a player who fits in the plan for the next two or three years? Look how long Cleverly, Valencia, Nani have been playing for United.

Moyes needs to improve his squad, United fans will need to realise that they best players want Champions League football, if you don't get fourth the best players won't come and you'll have to settle for players who are "simply better" than you already have.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Funny how you have a dig at Liverpool, yet they've outperformed United in every department so far this season. You may want the best, however football is also about improving what you already have. If you had signed a CB who was ready for first team football then that improves your side. If you had signed a CM that will instantly go in to your first team, that improves your side.

This window United should have settled for bringing in players who are better than what they already have, by doing so it could have helped their push for fourth, instead they signed Mata who while a great signing plays in a position that is already pretty strong anyway.

well said.

[hampo17]

Funny how you have a dig at Liverpool, yet they've outperformed United in every department so far this season. You may want the best, however football is also about improving what you already have. If you had signed a CB who was ready for first team football then that improves your side. If you had signed a CM that will instantly go in to your first team, that improves your side.

This window United should have settled for bringing in players who are better than what they already have, by doing so it could have helped their push for fourth, instead they signed Mata who while a great signing plays in a position that is already pretty strong anyway.

well said.

I just can't understand why Moyes hasn't tried to strengthen those positions. Doesn't take a genius to see how badly they needed strengthening.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Funny how you have a dig at Liverpool, yet they've outperformed United in every department so far this season. You may want the best, however football is also about improving what you already have. If you had signed a CB who was ready for first team football then that improves your side. If you had signed a CM that will instantly go in to your first team, that improves your side.

This window United should have settled for bringing in players who are better than what they already have, by doing so it could have helped their push for fourth, instead they signed Mata who while a great signing plays in a position that is already pretty strong anyway.

well said.

I just can't understand why Moyes hasn't tried to strengthen those positions. Doesn't take a genius to see how badly they needed strengthening.

It is beyond me as well, he clearly had a lot of money to spend as he spent £40 million in the january transfer window so money is not the issue. He really did need to improve the defence and CM but instead went for an attacking midfielder who is great but is not what they needed.

[Hammersmith harrier]

How do you know he wouldn't be a player who fits in the plan for the next two or three years? Look how long Cleverly, Valencia, Nani have been playing for United.

Moyes needs to improve his squad, United fans will need to realise that they best players want Champions League football, if you don't get fourth the best players won't come and you'll have to settle for players who are "simply better" than you already have.

We're 7th in the table yet we still signed Mata a player who's cup tied, he wont make a huge difference, hell you should know you bought Suarez without champions league football from a team who had it.

It's easy to say that we should have done this and that but you like me have no idea who's available and at what price, personally think Moyes like Rodgers has a better idea than anyone on this forum.

[Champagne_Socialist]

So united are the reigning champions and they spent close to £100 million on players for the 2013/2014 season (Zaha, Fellani, Mata) yet they look so poor.

[hampo17]

How do you know he wouldn't be a player who fits in the plan for the next two or three years? Look how long Cleverly, Valencia, Nani have been playing for United.

Moyes needs to improve his squad, United fans will need to realise that they best players want Champions League football, if you don't get fourth the best players won't come and you'll have to settle for players who are "simply better" than you already have.

We're 7th in the table yet we still signed Mata a player who's cup tied, he wont make a huge difference, hell you should know you bought Suarez without champions league football from a team who had it.

It's easy to say that we should have done this and that but you like me have no idea who's available and at what price, personally think Moyes like Rodgers has a better idea than anyone on this forum.

That's very true, but what I do know is that Kallstrom was available and as I said he is better than the CMs you have available at present, obviously when he is fit.

[mystiroakey]

fellani total flop,

zaha loaned out

mata in rooneys way.

good 100 m spend.

Makes Totenhams seem worthwhile.

[hampo17]

I'd argue that Holtby is better than what you have available as well and he was also available.

[Hammersmith harrier]

How do you know he wouldn't be a player who fits in the plan for the next two or three years? Look how long Cleverly, Valencia, Nani have been playing for United.

Moyes needs to improve his squad, United fans will need to realise that they best players want Champions League football, if you don't get fourth the best players won't come and you'll have to settle for players who are "simply better" than you already have.

We're 7th in the table yet we still signed Mata a player who's cup tied, he wont make a huge difference, hell you should know you bought Suarez without champions league football from a team who had it.

It's easy to say that we should have done this and that but you like me have no idea who's available and at what price, personally think Moyes like Rodgers has a better idea than anyone on this forum.

That's very true, but what I do know is that Kallstrom was available and as I said he is better than the CMs you have available at present, obviously when he is fit.

In fairness I wouldn't have wanted Kallstrom, a midfield consisting of him and Carrick doesn't instill any more confidence than playing either Cleverly or Fletcher.

[Champagne_Socialist]

fellani total flop,

zaha loaned out

mata in rooneys way.

good 100 m spend.

Makes Totenhams seem worthwhile.

Yep they have just completely wasted 100 million and find themselves 7th. Mata would have been the perfect buy if they bought a CM and CB as well.

A lot of players from the italian league would have been available for modest prices eg chiellini from juventus or de rossi etc

If man u don't reach the CL this season then next year they will struggle to hold onto Rooney and struggle to buy top quality players.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd argue that Holtby is better than what you have available as well and he was also available.

Christ you really are scraping the barrel now, I wager you have no idea how football clubs run their teams.

[hampo17]

I'd argue that Holtby is better than what you have available as well and he was also available.

Christ you really are scraping the barrel now, I wager you have no idea how football clubs run their teams.

I'm sorry is what I've said there wrong? Was Holtby available? Yes. Do I think he is better than Cleverly, a better option than an aging Ryan Giggs? Yes I do.

You are saying that midfielders and defenders weren't available, had you offered the right amount they would have been available, instead all United have done is strengthen a part of their team that didn't need strengthening in the first place. That is bad management, for the team to flourish you need to have good players in every position, and United do not have this.

You seem to get defensive when someone questions United, it's a shame that you can't see their failings in this transfer window. Bet you're thrilled with the impact Mata had on todays game though.

[Ent]

I would like to hear of these 25/26 year old players available for 15 million pounds who would improve uniteds central midfield and defense.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

[Ent]

Kallstrom is a nothing player.

Holtby isn't that good, plays further forward and no one was willing to spend money on him and a relegation fodder side have taken him on loan.

[Ent]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

[mystiroakey]

Ok lads- you say these CM's are worse than what you have already.

So tell me how you lose to stoke when you have 3 world class players in attack! and better players in every other position..

Is this all on Moyes tactics, moral, etc

what is the problem?

[Champagne_Socialist]

I would like to hear of these 25/26 year old players available for 15 million pounds who would improve uniteds central midfield and defense.

Borussia Dortmund’s Ilkay Gundogan

Marseille’s Florian Thauvin

Real Madrid’s Luka Modric

Newcastle's Cabaye

Athletico Madrid's Koke

Ander Herrera - Athletic Bilbao

Lars Bender - Bayer Leverkusen

Some players who would improive Man u's very weak CM.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

[Ent]

I would like to hear of these 25/26 year old players available for 15 million pounds who would improve uniteds central midfield and defense.

Borussia Dortmund’s Ilkay Gundogan

Marseille’s Florian Thauvin

Real Madrid’s Luka Modric

Newcastle's Cabaye

Athletico Madrid's Koke

Ander Herrera - Athletic Bilbao

Lars Bender - Bayer Leverkusen

Some players who would improive Man u's very weak CM.

Good effort on the reading there as joke of them are 25/26, available and would cost £15 million.

If you just want to list players who would improve our midfield it would take you a while.

[Hammersmith harrier]

With the exception of Cabaye they were available at a reasonable price then were they CS?

[Ent]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You also think signing Kallstrom would have cost nothing as well, Cardiff reportedly spent £1.5mil to have Zaha on loan for 5 months as well as having to pay the players wages.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

The players I mentioned above. Cabaye for 19 million. Kopke for about 30 mil, laes bendner for about 30 mil.

A lo of players and they don't need to be 25 to sign them. VP was approoaching 30 when you signed him and he won you the EPL last year.

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