Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Ent]

First topic message reminder :

Mancini was terrible, how I wish he was still there.

Should have walked the league the last 2 years with the squad he had and gotten out of his cl groups.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

based on what?

[Ent]

Ok lads- you say these CM's are worse than what you have already.

So tell me how you lose to stoke when you have 3 world class players in attack! and better players in every other position..

Is this all on Moyes tactics, moral,  etc

what is the problem?

We are crap, I say this all the time. Moyes is doing a terrible job, I say this all the time.

We lost 2 centre halfs to injury today and there were lots of individual errors.

Everyone knows this season has been a shambles and we need quality signings.

What we don't need is to waste our limited budget on a pile of rubbish in a spurs style spending spree.

We've wasted enough on fellani.

[Duty281]

problem is, as i've said before, you can't just play rvp, rooney, mata & januzaj for example at the same time and just hope to blow teams away. this league will open you open up & punish you if you've got weak areas & don't defend properly or have a weak core. United have that & it's plain for everyone to see. You can show off Mata as a signing, however, he wasn't actually needed. Yes, you can't ignore him & not buy him, that's foolish, but you've got to address the areas that need addressing before you go buying luxury players. Cleverley - unbelievably shocking.

Moyes can say whatever he wants about the summer, top 4 is looking slim now. you wont be able to attract the world class players & rooney wont sign. end off.

I agree, whilst mata is a great player he wasn't actually needed. Man U have a very weak central Midfield and very weak defence.

They should have bought a quality CM rather than mata.

You could say the same really about Ozil - Arsenal didn't really need a player in his position, they needed a striker more, or a better holding midfielder, or some back-up for their defence.

But they went and got Ozil, and you wouldn't complain at that would you?

[Ent]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

based on what?

His career.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Ent apparently we should have signed Bender a player our midfield dominated for two whole games this season, somebody needs to get off football manager and enter the real world.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

based on what?

His career.

expand on that, what about his career hs made him a nothing player?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Ok lads- you say these CM's are worse than what you have already.

So tell me how you lose to stoke when you have 3 world class players in attack! and better players in every other position..

Is this all on Moyes tactics, moral,  etc

what is the problem?

We are crap, I say this all the time. Moyes is doing a terrible job, I say this all the time.

We lost 2 centre halfs to injury today and there were lots of individual errors.

Everyone knows this season has been a shambles and we need quality signings.

What we don't need is to waste our limited budget on a pile of rubbish in a spurs style spending spree.

We've wasted enough on fellani.

Spot on we need world class quality not somebody who's marginally better than what we currently have.

[mystiroakey]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

[Ent]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

The players I mentioned above. Cabaye for 19 million. Kopke for about 30 mil, laes bendner for about 30 mil.

A lo of players and they don't need to be 25 to sign them. VP was approoaching 30 when you signed him and he won you the EPL last year.

Hampo has stated there are many 25/26 year old available players costing 15 million who would improve out side.

I asked for examples.

Atletico Madrid are level with barca with a game in hand in la liga. They are going well in the cl. Koke isn't available in January.

Bender isn't available as Dortmund barely have a fit player.

This isn't football manager.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

The players I mentioned above. Cabaye for 19 million. Kopke for about 30 mil, laes bendner for about 30 mil.

A lo of players and they don't need to be 25 to sign them. VP was approoaching 30 when you signed him and he won you the EPL last year.

Hampo has stated there are many 25/26 year old available players costing 15 million who would improve out side.

I asked for examples.

Atletico Madrid are level with barca with a game in hand in la liga. They are going well in the cl. Koke isn't available in January.

Bender isn't available as Dortmund barely have a fit player.

This isn't football manager.

you don't know if they are available as you never bidded for them. But keep feeling sorry for yourself by saying no one was available that's why you are left with garbage players in CM.

If you can't sign anyone now think how hard it will be in july if you have no CL footbll to offer.

[Ent]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

[Hammersmith harrier]

Today was one of the first times we lost a game we didn't deserve to lose, Welbeck was awful the whole time he was on the pitch, if his touch hadn't deserted him numerous times we could have had a handful. Both of their goals were fortunate, big deflection for the first and a complete mishit sat up perfectly for the second. Mata for what it's worth player pretty well and was creating countless opportunities.

Losing both Evans and Jones meant Moyes had one game changing sub to make which he had to delay because of an eye injury to Cleverly, he was not at fault at all today.

[Duty281]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

Wages?

He wouldn't have exactly been a step forward either.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Loan signings cost money most of the time unless your loaning a youngster gaining first time experience. Between the loan fee and his wages Kallstrom would cost about £2mil I would guess, the same amount Cardiff are buying for Zaha.

[mystiroakey]

come on Ent you could have loaned out another 5 players easily to pay for his money * 5!!

[Hammersmith harrier]

Would we have signed a player with a back injury anyway? I severely doubt that Mysti.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

Wages?

He wouldn't have exactly been a step forward either.

a player with 106 caps who has played at 3 european championships and 1 world cup...... I know you haven't seen his career and you may try and deny that but it is obvious you hven't seen him play.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You're not exactly proving you've seen him play either, jumping on Wiki and finding a couple of stats doesn't say anything of his ability. I've never seen him perform well against England and he's had enough opportunities and he was overshadowed for much of his Lyon career by Juninho.

[Duty281]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

Wages?

He wouldn't have exactly been a step forward either.

a player with 106 caps who has played at 3 european championships and 1 world cup...... I know you haven't seen his career and you may try and deny that but it is obvious you hven't seen him play.

Seen him play a few times. A 31-year-old with some vast experience is not what a title-chasing team need (in the case of Arsenal), nor is it what a top-4 hopeful team need (in the case of United).

A mid-table team who need a bit of experience to haul them away from the abyss below? Sure.

Cant believe Arsenal got him though. My first thought was: Why? Oh and he could be out for three months, which would make the signing fairly redundant.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

Wages?

He wouldn't have exactly been a step forward either.

a player with 106 caps who has played at 3 european championships and 1 world cup...... I know you haven't seen his career and you may try and deny that but it is obvious you hven't seen him play.

Seen him play a few times. A 31-year-old with some vast experience is not what a title-chasing team need (in the case of Arsenal), nor is it what a top-4 hopeful team need (in the case of United).

A mid-table team who need a bit of experience to haul them away from the abyss below? Sure.

Cant believe Arsenal got him though. My first thought was: Why?

I'm not complaining you are stuck with a useless cleverley, a crocked fletcher and a grandad Giggs whilst Arsenal have kallstrom If you think he is useless based on you hardly ever seeing him play (probably you have seen him play about once for sweden) then that is your choice. I am happy Arsenal got him on a loan and look forward to seeing him play.

[mystiroakey]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

[Hammersmith harrier]

Duty, the child has again wrongfully thought you're a Man United fan, what a plonker.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

He was the perfect fit, EPL experience, top quality player in CM. Shame they let him go.

[Duty281]

Now look i know that a players worth isn't really relative when it comes to what one gives a team...
But palace beat stoke pretty well the other day..

Palaces total SQUAD worth wasnt even worth the one player United just bought in Mata at 37 odd mill!

That is the reality of it.

Is football Insane. yes it is..

Moyes is going to look stupider and stupider as time goes on.

Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

It is baffling lads.

Now yes we can say all  this is a one off and occasionally good teams lose, and its rare that one player can make the impact in a game- Yes that's true, but if that was the case no one would be talking about how messed up it is at united. This isn't a one off is it..

Again both our centre halfs went off injured, limiting our response and making us have to put in a barely fit carrick into central defense.

We made individual errors

It was terrible and is a catastrophe for our season.

We need players, but spending loads on crap isn't the answer.

kallstrom was a loan signing so would have cost you nothing......

Wages?

He wouldn't have exactly been a step forward either.

a player with 106 caps who has played at 3 european championships and 1 world cup...... I know you haven't seen his career and you may try and deny that but it is obvious you hven't seen him play.

Seen him play a few times. A 31-year-old with some vast experience is not what a title-chasing team need (in the case of Arsenal), nor is it what a top-4 hopeful team need (in the case of United).

A mid-table team who need a bit of experience to haul them away from the abyss below? Sure.

Cant believe Arsenal got him though. My first thought was: Why?

I'm not complaining you are stuck with a useless cleverley, a crocked fletcher and a grandad Giggs whilst Arsenal have kallstrom :)If you think he is useless based on you hardly ever seeing him play (probably you have seen him play about once for sweden) then that is your choice. I am happy Arsenal got him on a loan and look forward to seeing him play.

You?  

Awfully sorry, I don't support Manchester United.

Neither am I sure where I've said he's useless. He's a decent player, but that's about it. Oh, and he's (in your words) crocked.

He won't take Arsenal forward. And I don't think he'll play much this season. What Arsenal really needed was a striker - Bendtner is not good enough. Wenger didn't deliver.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

Would never have happened that's why Mysti, as a Frenchmen he would have chosen a French team able to pay him more, he wasn't a viable option under those circumstances.

[Duty281]

Duty, the child has again wrongfully thought you're a Man United fan, what a plonker.

The funny thing is, if United had got Kallstrom yesterday, then CS would have been saying exactly the same things as we're saying now. He's only defending him because he plays for Arsenal.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Duty, the child has again wrongfully thought you're a Man United fan, what a plonker.

The funny thing is, if United had got Kallstrom yesterday, then CS would have been saying exactly the same things as we're saying now. He's only defending him because he plays for Arsenal.

I only really listen to proper fans of clubs not the childish lot who haven't got a clue, i'm not stupid enough to defend every little thing my club does. Signing Fellaini was pointless and he's proving just as much, had he signed for Arsenal CS would have been saying what a world beater he is.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The funny thing is, if United had got Kallstrom yesterday, then CS would have been saying exactly the same things as we're saying now. He's only defending him because he plays for Arsenal.

nope, he is a CM which is what you need.

[The Special Juan]

Why do fans feel the need to have a go at other fans with regards to what signings their respective clubs have/haven't made?

[Champagne_Socialist]

This post was made by Hammersmith harrier who is currently on your ignore list

[Duty281]

The funny thing is, if United had got Kallstrom yesterday, then CS would have been saying exactly the same things as we're saying now. He's only defending him because he plays for Arsenal.

nope, he is a CM which is what you need.

Why do I need a central midfielder?

To mow the lawn?

[westisbest]

Fkn Lambert 10 men behind the ball BS.

Right i'm out in the sauce.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Is there any real need for the cretin to post the same thing every time I make a post?

Could the mods explain this to me because it just comes across as attention seeking.

[Crimey]

Just ignore him, he's been talked to.

[Guest]

Interesting last couple of hours of debate on here.

[mystiroakey]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

Would never have happened that's why Mysti, as a Frenchmen he would have chosen a French team able to pay him more, he wasn't a viable option under those circumstances.

But as you have reminded us you are United.. Everyone want's to go there

[Guest]

Interesting last couple of hours of debate on here.

I blame Giroud.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

Would never have happened that's why Mysti, as a Frenchmen he would have chosen a French team able to pay him more, he wasn't a viable option under those circumstances.

But as you have reminded us you are United.. Everyone want's to go there

Within reason Mysti, if you were Cabaye who would you choose?

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

Would never have happened that's why Mysti, as a Frenchmen he would have chosen a French team able to pay him more, he wasn't a viable option under those circumstances.

But as you have reminded us you are United.. Everyone want's to go there

hahaha

[mystiroakey]

Why is it when everyone mentions cabaye it gets ignored.

You lads know cabaye was your answer.. You just dont want to admit it

Would never have happened that's why Mysti, as a Frenchmen he would have chosen a French team able to pay him more, he wasn't a viable option under those circumstances.

But as you have reminded us you are United.. Everyone want's to go there

Within reason Mysti, if you were Cabaye who would you choose?

honestly- united .. yeah honestly. I would be playing in the PL, i would be playing for a great club, with great players in a very good league.. Going to PSG is a huge risk in World cup year. Not guaranteed games for the short or long term, playing in a worse league(if i am playing), even If i do play I may get replaced by a 50m target in the summer.


He is french though and he will be paid more. BUt for me Its all about playing football- And if you go to united you may become a huge hit and make 180k a year in the states to wind down your playing days so you may end up better off anyway

[Hammersmith harrier]

For you and me it's about playing football but for Cabaye I can imagine money is a huge factor as well as returning to his home country.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

A Gooner backing up Tottenham!!

Am I in Bizario world

I am no Spurs fan but I am getting sick an tired of Jose's bully boys and team Abu Dhabi getting officiated to the top of the standings.

What is it with yanks and conspiracies   

I don't know what is with the english and their horrible referees? It is one of life's unanswerable questions.

You're kidding right? Blown calls in the NFL by half a dozen refs last season. How about the perfect game thrown out by a ludicrous call at first. Technology isn't the be all and end all.

[Guest]

Pointless. United would never have offered £19m for a 28 year old, seeing as they barely offered, what was it, £14m originally for Baines at his age. If PSG come calling, you go there. He's finally being paid handsomely in his career, he can win multiple titles & cups to add to his CV & he's playing for PSG, therefore, he's going to the World Cup, regardless of how much game time he gets in all honesty.

[mystiroakey]

Pointless. United would never have offered £19m for a 28 year old, seeing as they barely offered, what was it, £14m originally for Baines at his age. If PSG come calling, you go there. He's finally being paid handsomely in his career, he can win multiple titles & cups to add to his CV & he's playing for PSG, therefore, he's going to the World Cup, regardless of how much game time he gets in all honesty.

if he doesnt start for PSG he wont start in the WC. Its that simple. He will probally go to the WC - but will he play.

We shall see

[Hammersmith harrier]

There is also that John, is £19mil value for money for a 28 year old?

[Ent]

I can't be bothered discussing this any longer with someone who thinks we should have tried signed Holtby and Kallstrome. Utterly clueless.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

United fans know we had an atrocious summer window and that we needed midfielders.

Losing to stoke now means we should have signed kallstrom and holtby.

Why not Adam for 30 million? After all he scores twice today...

The issue is that there are cm players better than cleverley, giggs, valencia, fletcher etc who you could have bought to improve your team rather than just not buying them at all. Kallstrom was a loan signing so would not have cost United anything so there is nothing to lose.

Who should we have bought, seriously?

Kallstrom isn't better than the majority of our players, he is a nothing player.

The players I mentioned above. Cabaye for 19 million. Kopke for about 30 mil, laes bendner for about 30 mil.

A lo of players and they don't need to be 25 to sign them. VP was approoaching 30 when you signed him and he won you the EPL last year.

Hampo has stated there are many 25/26 year old available players costing 15 million who would improve out side.

I asked for examples.

Atletico Madrid are level with barca with a game in hand in la liga. They are going well in the cl. Koke isn't available in January.

Bender isn't available as Dortmund barely have a fit player.

This isn't football manager.

you don't know if they are available as you never bidded for them. But keep feeling sorry for yourself by saying no one was available that's why you are left with garbage players in CM.

If you can't sign anyone now think how hard it will be in july if you have no CL footbll to offer.

How do you know we didn't bid or make enquiries? We could be working towards the summer.

Teams generally don't want to sell big players, especially not on January.

We've just signed one of the best players in the league and went in for kroos, a top player.

You can hardly say we didn't try to improve in January.

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Kallstroms obviously not a game changing transfer but Arsenal don't need a panic buy to save their season

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There is also that John, is £19mil value for money for a 28 year old?

How much was RVP?

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Cardiff were losing to a team better than stoke today in Norwich. They were getting battered(Much harder than what man united did to them midweek) An inexperienced Cardiff manager brought on Zaha that changed the game completely and they won the game...

Right a couple of things.
1. We are not better than Stoke, we're probably on a par with Fulham for worst side in the league.
2. We didn't batter them bar the first 5 minutes or so.
3. We gifted the goals on a plate to Cardiff, totally chucked it away. Zaha made a little difference, but he wasn't the reason Cardiff won that game. The reasons were pur inept management, shambplic defending and then Marshall who went all beast mode

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