Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

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Mancini was terrible, how I wish he was still there.

Should have walked the league the last 2 years with the squad he had and gotten out of his cl groups.

[lfc91]

Poor from rodgers subs wise, bur the only man to blame is kolo toure. Another shocking display. As soon as agger and sahko are back you would hope toure doesnt play another minute for the team this season, or any other for that matter. 2 points dropped, only way to look at it. Cheers for that kolo.

[lfc91]

A talk down? Needs to give some of those players their p45.

[mystiroakey]

Tom Ince isn't even on the bench !!

odd..

I suppose pulis is very pragmatic.. would have had the game plan sorted ages ago.. hasnt seen enough of ince in training yet

[Guest]

Was he registered in time Mysti. Do they still have that registration rule thingy?

[mystiroakey]

Not sure. Maybe thats it

[compelling and rich]

liverpool were terrible second half, just didnt play at all.

toure has been kidding people for a long long time that he's a top class defender always been a liability

let off for spurs and united that result, still cant see us catching any of the above with the way were playing. moyes has got us playing clueless football. everybody had blame cleverly for being poor, but he is poor thats not his fault. last season he played large parts and we could carry him because fergie had people around him playing well

moyes hasnt got anyone playing any decent football. still think we have a stronger team than liverpool but rodgers is getting the best out of the likes of sterling, henderson, sturridge. he's getting the best out of whats he's got, moyes isnt and were being shown up with him in charge

[lfc91]

liverpool were terrible second half, just didnt play at all.

toure has been kidding people for a long long time that he's a top class defender always been a liability

let off for spurs and united that result, still cant see us catching any of the above with the way were playing. moyes has got us playing clueless football. everybody had blame cleverly for being poor, but he is poor thats not his fault. last season he played large parts and we could carry him because fergie had people around him playing well

moyes hasnt got anyone playing any decent football. still think we have a stronger team than liverpool but rodgers is getting the best out of the likes of sterling, henderson, sturridge. he's getting the best out of whats he's got, moyes isnt and were being shown up with him in charge

Could not disagree more. Fergies brilliance as a manager patched over how poor some of the players at united truely are! This season i think is a true reflection of their ability. Position for position i think liverpool have the better players first team wise, its our overall squad quality and the fact that it is paper this which lets us down! Just my opinion of course..

[Hammersmith harrier]

A team as bad as you suggest it is doesn't get into a position where it's set to break the points record up until we had the title mathematically secure. Player for player last season showed the gap between the two squads and it wasn't exactly a one off either. Tactically we've gone backwards since Moyes took over, not investing in the summer has cost us dear as well as constant injuries to our best players. This season is just a one off.

[compelling and rich]

liverpool were terrible second half, just didnt play at all.

toure has been kidding people for a long long time that he's a top class defender always been a liability

let off for spurs and united that result, still cant see us catching any of the above with the way were playing. moyes has got us playing clueless football. everybody had blame cleverly for being poor, but he is poor thats not his fault. last season he played large parts and we could carry him because fergie had people around him playing well

moyes hasnt got anyone playing any decent football. still think we have a stronger team than liverpool but rodgers is getting the best out of the likes of sterling, henderson, sturridge. he's getting the best out of whats he's got, moyes isnt and were being shown up with him in charge

Could not disagree more. Fergies brilliance as a manager patched over how poor some of the players at united truely are! This season i think is a true reflection of their ability. Position for position i think liverpool have the better players first team wise, its our overall squad quality and the fact that it is paper this which lets us down! Just my opinion of course..

well obviously were both biased but, our full strength team id have

de gea over mignolet
evra- over any of the many lb's youve had this season
evans over skirtel
carrick over henderson
mata over coutinho
januzaj over sterling
rvp or rooney over strurridge, suarez over the one you didnt pick

theres not much between vidic and agger, rafael and johnsen/flanagan. the only clear players would be gerrard and suarez for me and even then i dont think gerrard is as good as he once was (still walks into our team though)

united players have proven over long periods that they can perform at the top level with a great manager, liverpool have had a decent half a season so far. likes of carrick has out performed henderson for years

[mystiroakey]

PALACE PALACE PALACE

WE SUPPORT THE PALACE PALACE PALACE

WOOO WOOO WOOOOOOOO

WOO WOO WOOOOOOOO

still 0-0.

[Lumbering_Jack]

The Palace fans are very very noisy. It's great to hear.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I came on to praise Palace's resilience. I think I'm to blame. Apologies

[Bull]

Let the demolition begin.

[mystiroakey]

Hate Chesney...

[Bull]

That's a mean thing to say.

[lfc91]

Thats your opinion compelling. For me it would be:

Mignolet over de gea
Enrique over evra (all united fans have done this season is complain about how poor evra is)
Skrtle over evans every day of the week (and im from northern ireland so have seen alot of evans over the years)
Agger over any other cente back on offer.
Probably rafael based on how poor johnsons been all season.
In the centre i would go for gerrard/hendo over any combination you could offer.
Of the attacking 4 i would go for RVP, mata, suarez, sterling.(understand that last one may cause a few raised eyebrows seeing as how most united fans have been banging on about januzaj like hes the second coming! Think they are both fantastic young attacking players but for me sterling offers more defending).

Obviously i am always going to be seen as having a biased opinion, but united fans compiling their list are in the same boat.

[mystiroakey]

Lol been wanting to see ox come back for donkies..and then just when I don't want to see him.......

[NickisBHAFC]

Thank god for the ox.

[GSC]

Mignolet over De Gea is major bias dude.

[lfc91]

Im not argueing squad hammersmith, no contest there as ours is very thin. But on first team the above comment is how i see it! Think your overlooking how many extra points fergie brings and how much he gets out of players. Genuinely believe this season is a truer reflection of there true ability player for player than last. Just the fergie factor. Que the "your clearly biased/don't know what your talking about etc etc" comments..

[Hammersmith harrier]

Mignolet over De Gea says it all really LFC, one decent half a season and you pool fans are doing your usual of building your team and players up as world beaters.

[lfc91]

Could well be GSC, like i say, i know i can never give an impartial view regarding liverpool. Just gave my view though, make of it what you will.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Yeah Mignolet is pretty much what De Gea started off as, good shot stopper, flappy flap flapper though.

Palace need WILBRAHAM

[lfc91]

So one decision you dont agree with hammersmith means you can just disregard an entire post, the united fan debating approach at its finest..

[mystiroakey]

Brought Bannan on. Fair play. Seems abit odd to bring a midfielder for a striker on when we have gone 1 down. But it's so we can play more through the middle . Basically plan b is to try and get more possession rather than playing counter..

But boy do we need Murray in games like this. He has a great shot to goal ratio.

[Hammersmith harrier]

To me it shows you can't give a balanced view on the subject LFC not that I would expect any fan to when it comes to their own teams. I tend not to bother discussing teams with their own fans it's a rather pointless exercise.

[Bull]

Quit arguing the two you please. Just respect each other opinions and move on.

[lfc91]

So should i treat yours as equally unbalanced?

[lfc91]

I though we were debating bull?

[Hammersmith harrier]

You probably should but at the same time i'm not going to try and suggest that Cleverly is better Gerrard which is akin to saying Mignolet is better than De Gea.

[FootballLight]

Can see why Palace are not are a passing side and I do think Palace will do well (if they survive) and they turn into another Stoke side. That would be good for them. It would suit them in this sort of game. But, unfortunately, it will not be working today/yet.

[mystiroakey]

After the game I will be neutrals appraisal of Liverpool v united

[compelling and rich]

whats the neutrals view? cant imagine many will have mignolet over de gea, de gea's been widely regarded as the best gk in the prem over the last couple of seasons

also dont see how half a decent season puts henderson over carrick who ws voted one of the best cm in the league last season. sterling again has a it part this season with him only getting a proper run recently, theres a reason why united fans are getting so exicted about januzaj as there hasnt been such a talent come through since ronaldo, the kids class.

form is temporary class is permanent. if fergie was still in charge there would be even be a argument we'd win in a land slide. the fact is rodgers is getting the best out of your players currently in a system that fits. moyes isnt doing any of that, no system, no way of playing, no motivation. if we had got mourinho in instead of moyes we'd be comfortably ahead of you in the league

[compelling and rich]

After the game I will be neutrals appraisal of Liverpool v united

mysti you cant be classed as a neutral with your hatred of moyes and uniteds way of dealing with your love child

[Hammersmith harrier]

Mysti nobody is neutral when it comes to Liverpool and United, due to their respective periods of dominance almost every fan will have a vendetta against them.

[mystiroakey]

After the game I will be neutrals appraisal of Liverpool v united

mysti you cant be classed as a neutral with your hatred of moyes and uniteds way of dealing with your love child

No in don't hate moyes at all.

He just didn't give zaha the extra treatment he needs because he didn't sign him.. He doesn't understand the quality a of what zaha could have given united. And now Cardiff will reap the rewards..

Moyes isn't up to the job, but I don't hate him in the slightest.

[NickisBHAFC]

Palace fair play to them they do make a lot of noise. But christ why o why do they use a soding drum!!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Arsenal overplaying

De Gea is so many times better than Mignolet.

[FootballLight]

Typical Championship team. Bang a drum about - all day log - it plays through my head at night.  No more drums!! WBA used it as well. I'm doomed!

[Crimey]

I don't think it's clear cut who is better between De Gea and Mignolet. I think De Gea is definitely overrated because of how poor he was in the beginning. I would say it is very close and not just Liverpool fans would put Mignolet as better.

I think you shouldn't compare Carrick and Henderson, it should be Carrick v Gerrard and Henderson v Cleverley. In both cases I would never swap the Liverpool player for the United one.

[lfc91]

As has been noted this is probably a pointless excercise between biased fans.

One side note though compelling, you seem to speak as if what your saying is "fact", just like to point out that everthing in your last post is just an opinion. Yes it could well be an opinion the majority share, but it is an opinion none the less. Just a tip for any future discussions/debates you may find yourself involved in.

[Bull]

I though we were debating bull?

I see where you are coming from. But from my perspective it looked like a shot at each other, however this may have been my mistake. ;/

[NickisBHAFC]

2-0

Game over lovely.

[mystiroakey]

Feicking ox.. I can't believe it..love him as a player, England need his form.. But why oh feicking why do you do it against us,,

This is why arsernal are so good. So many midfield replacements. It's embarrassing how much quality up they have

[Hammersmith harrier]

lfc91, you used that name on the old 606 didn't you?

[lfc91]

Dont think i was ever on the old 606. Thought it closed down a good few years ago?

[compelling and rich]

As has been noted this is probably a pointless excercise between biased fans.

One side note though compelling, you seem to speak as if what your saying is "fact", just like to point out that everthing in your last post is just an opinion. Yes it could well be an opinion the majority share, but it is an opinion none the less. Just a tip for any future discussions/debates you may find yourself involved in.

not once did i say fact, or imply that it was

of course its all opinions, thats why i will try to back up evidence when its available. such as carrick was voted in team of the year at cm and this united team has massively out performed yours over the last few seasons barring half of this season with our new manager.

[FootballLight]

I don't think it's clear cut who is better between De Gea and Mignolet. I think De Gea is definitely overrated because of how poor he was in the beginning. I would say it is very close and not just Liverpool fans would put Mignolet as better.

I think you shouldn't compare Carrick and Henderson, it should be Carrick v Gerrard and Henderson v Cleverley. In both cases I would never swap the Liverpool player for the United one.

I do think it is. When Mignolet kicks a ball, it rarely ever travels past the halfway line, it rarely ever meets a team mate of his, it always has backspin on and he always rolls it to the defence. So he always puts his team under pressure all the time. But then again, De Gea isn't great with his hands (as a goalkeeper!!) and always tries to save with his legs. They are equally as good/bad as each other. Similar quality goalkeepers for me.

But I do agree with the 2nd part. But it isn't a good comparison compared to the 1st part.

But back to the game. Ox - a great performance in the middle of the park. His new position as everyone was saying before the game due to injuries? I'd put something on it. Almost play 4 attacking midfielders/Wingers do Arsenal. But I suppose it was the perfect game to test it out. A class above everyone else for CP, as expected. A bit like Ramsey at the start of the season - a class above most other midfielders in the league.

[lfc91]

whats the neutrals view? cant imagine many will have mignolet over de gea, de gea's been widely regarded as the best gk in the prem over the last couple of seasons

also dont see how half a decent season puts henderson over carrick who ws voted one of the best cm in the league last season. sterling again has a it part this season with him only getting a proper run recently, theres a reason why united fans are getting so exicted about januzaj as there hasnt been such a talent come through since ronaldo, the kids class.

form is temporary class is permanent. if fergie was still in charge there would be even be a argument we'd win in a land slide. the fact is rodgers is getting the best out of your players currently in a system that fits. moyes isnt doing any of that, no system, no way of playing, no motivation. if we had got mourinho in instead of moyes we'd be comfortably ahead of you in the league

You quite clearly say "the fact is".

[mystiroakey]

Ok games over.

Man U v Liverpool. Very quick assessment of players,

De gea better

Juanzi better than sterling but not much

Gerard is at the moment equal to carrick.

Henderson better than cleverly

Front two Liverpool slightly better overall. But united have better replacements .

Defence similar.

Basically very similar .

Rodgers however is implanting his own philosophy. And it's working. He was stubborn to get rid of Carroll and fair play to him. Carrol is good but it didn't suit his play.

Having a philosophy is what being in management is all about.

Moyes has to much pressure on him and is trying to manage like fergie. It's not working.

Rodgers is an asset to Liverpool

Moyes isn't to united,, united need an individual to manage united rather than trying to clone fergie..

End..

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