Khan or Maidana (Mayweather supposedly letting the public decide)

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Mon 03 Feb 2014, 11:19 am

First topic message reminder :

Who's your pick??

I go for Maidana. Holds a belt, off a fantastic win against the apparant "next best thing" and has a chin.

by All Time Great Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:24 pm

He gets beat by a man on PEDs, (in a very close contest which Khan should of won if he was awarded the knock down and wasn't penalised for two points)...

... But everyone continues to vilify him for it?

He's British and exciting. What makes people dislike him so much?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:26 pm

Because he's British and a winner.......

It's a criminal offence to many on here..

by titaniumjaw Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:32 pm

Hey truss I like you wanna see mayweather end with his '0' pal I not a khan fan never have been and I not a Brit basher been to see Hatton several times and went to the mayweather fight in Vegas and like froch a lot but don't see why khan gets a shot and my comment about me having a shot was said tongue in cheek

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:36 pm

I just want Mayweather to get some respect........

As for Khan deserving a shot.......In an ideal world maybe not............

But in a world where Enzo, Macklin, Cotto at 160..........get them ......

Why not...........

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:44 pm

You keep repeating the same crap Truss but Martinez, Braehmer and GGG are not the biggest name in the sport which Mayweather is, they do not earn the same kind of money, that is why he is rightfully judged differently.

Khan is a crap opponent no two ways about that, accept it and move on.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:46 pm

It's not Mayweather's job to carry the sport........Why single him out...

He might as well fit in with those around him..

by Haito Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:47 pm

Khan would be more interesting for the first 5-6 rounds. His handspeed and movement would give Floyd some problems and uncomfortable rounds until he gets his timing on the money then its just a matter of time before Khan is eating out the canvas..

Maidana is a powerful plodder. Apart from having a very small punchers chance he would give Mayweather no real concerns. Floyd's quicker, more clinical and far too savvy for Maidana to be able to land enough to make it interesting.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:49 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's not Mayweather's job to carry the sport........Why single him out...

He might as well fit in with those around him..

Then he should get paid the same as those around, he doesn't so he doesn't fit in with them, too difficult a concept for you to grasp?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:50 pm

That's how I see it Mate............Khan offers problems...Speed and jab wise.....

I imagine sooner or later we'll see a brain fade like against Garcia........but while it lasts he'll have something to offer..

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:52 pm

He gets paid more because he is near-ring-perfection..........

I imagine Phil Taylor and Ronnie O'sullivan get paid more than others in their sports for exhibitions....too.

You get what you're worth Hammer my friend..

People pay to see an artist at work..

by All Time Great Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He gets paid more because he is near-ring-perfection..........

I imagine Phil Taylor and Ronnie O'sullivan get paid more than others in their sports for exhibitions....too.

You get what you're worth Hammer my friend..

People pay to see an artist at work..

Couldn't agree more.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 04 Feb 2014, 9:56 pm

The artist in return has to create something worth while not any old piece of crap, you pay more to see Mayweather so you expect more than if you paid less to see Martinez.

by Haito Tue 04 Feb 2014, 10:10 pm

Yeah Khan will make it more competitive early doors. His sharp hands and speed definately give Floyd some worries but once Mayweather starts to land with regularity Khan's gameplan goes out the window and Floyd will take over and the inevitable will be inevitable.

Maidana decent dig aside doesnt really have any tools to give Floyd a hard night. He isnt quick or subtle so Mayweather would see him coming all night and deal with him with accordingly. A fight no no for me...

by **owen10ozzy** Tue 04 Feb 2014, 10:17 pm

Maidana is basically a poorer imitation of many of the opponents that Floyd has faced in the last 6 years. Come forward fighters who like to get on the inside and lack very good hand speed or fast foot movement:

Alvarez, Guerrero, Cotto, Ortiz, Hatton ..

If none of these could beat him then Maidana certainly won't because he fights the same way but with far fewer technical skills and just not as well as most of them.

Outside of that he took on Mosley who certainly wasn't as quick as he once was and Marquez who wasn't great at the weight at that time.

Khan at least brings something relatively new to the table; someone who will use his jab, can match Floyd for speed and for the early goings at least can zip in and out of range. Something the American hasn't had to deal with since Oscar (who did well until he abandoned his jab)

by Sam_London Tue 04 Feb 2014, 10:40 pm

Maidana brings nothing to the table but power but does he honestly hit harder than Cotto, Mosley, Hatton and Alvarez? If this fight was to happen, Mayweather would win easily and I wouldn't be surprised if he knocked Maidana out.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:01 pm

If Garcia can time Khan in 8 minutes, how long will it take Floyd?

by **owen10ozzy** Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:04 pm

True Reborn -

Though I would hazard a guess that Mayweather doesn't punch as hard as Garcia, I would also suggest that the way Garcia throws it is a little unusual in the sense it's quite wild.

Also Khan's chin...or perhaps more accurately 'powers of recovery' seemed better when he stepped up...could be that they improve again at 147.

I agree he times him eventually...but think it is more likely to be late on similar to Ricky Hatton.

by Sam_London Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:09 pm

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:If Garcia can time Khan in 8 minutes, how long will it take Floyd?

Amir was extremely foolish to engage with Garcia when he was hurt, other than that he was dealing with Garcia comfortably. Amir would beat Garcia nine times out of ten.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:31 pm

So the one time they actually fought was that 1 out of 10 chance?

by Izzi Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:46 pm

Weird how the bookies had it closer. They seldom offer 1/10 odds and the guy gets beat. SELDOM!!!! Note that word.

Guess Khan also beats a blown up LW in Diaz like it was a sparring sess... No, wait. Must've been the other way round and he'd struggle to get past a shot chubby LW 1/10 times.

by Sam_London Tue 04 Feb 2014, 11:57 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So the one time they actually fought was that 1 out of 10 chance?

I think Amir lost the fight through poor discipline. Why isn't Garcia knocking on Mayweather's door demanding a fight. He knows any competent skilled boxer would beat him.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 6:56 am

MccAll took Lewis out in 4 mins so what. Stupid stupid statement

styles make fights...

by **seanmichaels** Wed 05 Feb 2014, 9:08 am

owen10ozzy wrote:
Alvarez, Guerrero, Cotto, Ortiz, Hatton ..

Really?

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 9:28 am

Funny thing about Guerrero....I imagine he like Leonard is hailed a great fighter had he beaten Floyd like Leonard did Hagler....and yet since he lost people moan about the fight..

People did not moan about Hagler Leonard though despite three years out and not fighting at middle..

by **seanmichaels** Wed 05 Feb 2014, 10:22 am

I think comparing Guerrero stylistically to Hatton, Ortiz, Alvarez and Cotto does him a disservice.....

by hazharrison Wed 05 Feb 2014, 10:33 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Funny thing about Guerrero....I imagine he like Leonard is hailed a great fighter had he beaten Floyd like Leonard did Hagler....and yet since he lost people moan about the fight..

People did not moan about Hagler Leonard though despite three years out and not fighting at middle..

This encapsulates the sheer lunacy of 606V2, for me.

1. Guerrero is not a great fighter.
2. Had he managed to defeat Floyd then, depending on his manner of victory, he would have had an argument, as, for the first time in his career, he'd have notched a great win over a great fighter (Casamayor is his best scalp, however, the Cuban was pushing 40).
3. Leonard was a great fighter -- a legend -- before the Hagler fight. Had he lost the fight, he'd still have been a great fighter.
4. No-one moaned about the Hagler fight as Leonard had proven himself at both 147 and 154 (and beaten fighters -- in Duran and Hearns -- who'd pushed Hagler close).
5. Guerrero, proving he wasn't a great fighter, wasn't competitive against Floyd. Even faded hall-of-famers such as Oscar, Mosley and Cotto had their moments.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 10:38 am

Leonard had been out for three years and never fought at 160...

Mugabi was a 154 before him....

He ducked Spinks....

But you like Hagler...You have him above may...

Dear oh deary me

by hazharrison Wed 05 Feb 2014, 10:55 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Leonard had been out for three years and never fought at 160...

Mugabi was a 154 before him....

He ducked Spinks....

But you like Hagler...You have him above may...

Dear oh deary me

1. Leonard was a legendary fighter. His sheer talent allowed him to be competitive with one of the best middleweights of all time. Are you really attempting to equate Leonard with Guerrero?
2. Mugabi was Hagler's number one contender at middleweight (as Lara is to Mayweather at light middleweight).
3. The Spinks fight was only mooted once to Hagler and the fight would have been at middleweight -- Hagler being the bigger attraction in the more glamorous division -- a weight that Spinks could not make.
4. I rate Hagler above Mayweather as he fought everyone he could have been expected to, the majority of which were number one ranked contenders. The Hearns win was immense.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 11:03 am

This guy has Johnson top 10 but no Floyd because he is a cherry picker..

If only May was born earlier he'd be Top 3 .....

Glad I'm not bitter..

by hazharrison Wed 05 Feb 2014, 11:11 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:This guy has Johnson top 10 but no Floyd because he is a cherry picker..

If only May was born earlier he'd be Top 3 .....

Glad I'm not bitter..

I don't wish to debate the Floyd thing again -- it's the most boring argument on these boards.

I merely wanted to point out how nonsensical that earlier post was.

by hazharrison Wed 05 Feb 2014, 11:12 am

And for the record: I don't have Jack Johnson in my top ten all-time fighters (for what that's worth).

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:08 pm

Truss trying to big up Khan as a Floyd oppo all of a sudden (again)?

https://www.606v2.com/t47455-amir-khan-what-is-the-point-of-this-guy

Whistle

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:11 pm

Not interested in you..At least Haz knows something..

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:25 pm

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:28 pm

Back to the op...I think Khan provides more questions for May...Maida a would be a schooling...khan will do well early with his speed and jab

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:33 pm

Well, at least we now know the answer to your question: "What is the point of this guy?".

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 12:37 pm

He's looking for trouble

by catchweight Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:25 pm

Apparently Khan is not looking so hot now in the race to fight Floyd. Too many fans crapping on the fight and Maidana appears to be more popular.

"The probable fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Amir Khan is not looking so probable anymore. Due to the backlash of Khan being inactive since last June and going life and death with former champion Julio Diaz, fans have been mounting an internet movement to get WBA champion Marcos Maidana in position to face Mayweather on May 3rd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Trainer Jeff Mayweather, the uncle of Floyd, told boxing scribe David Mayo that Khan's name has a lot of negativity associated with it. He feels the boxer is not liked in the United States, and the UK, and doesn't deserve the lucrative opportunity of a Mayweather fight. While Maidana, an all-action fighter, pulled off one of the biggest upsets in 2013, when he scored two knockdowns to decision Floyd Mayweather's close friend, Adrien Broner.

"Originally, they were thinking Khan. But with so much negative feedback, with the blogs and various things -- it seemed like every time you saw Amir Khan's name attached to it, it said he had no chance. I think if they go based on titles, and who brings something to the table, it's Maidana. I don't think that many people want to see Floyd fight Amir Khan," Jeff told Mayo.

Amir Khan doesn't have a title and he hasn't done anything to deserve a shot," Jeff Mayweather said. "People want to see Floyd against the guy who beat Adrien Broner. They want to compare the imitator against the genuine one. Realistically, that's what [Broner] is, an imitator of the legitmate thing. Khan isn't like Ricky Hatton. Most people don't even like him there."

by Rodney Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:32 pm

Awaiting a comment of Marcos Maidana is a reincarnation of Julio Cesar Chavez.

He just beat a guy whose on par with Duke Mckenzie as the worst 3 weight alphabet champion on paper. Message to team a Mayweather, fans aren't happy with either fight ! Unless of course , well.. You love Floyd.

Cheers Rodders

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:37 pm

Ouch you are so bitter

by catchweight Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:43 pm

Mayweather ducking Khan?

Khans speed.....

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:45 pm

Rodney wrote:Awaiting a comment of Marcos Maidana is a reincarnation of Julio Cesar Chavez.

He just beat a guy whose on par with Duke Mckenzie as the worst 3 weight alphabet champion on paper. Message to team a Mayweather, fans aren't happy with either fight ! Unless of course , well.. You love Floyd.

Cheers Rodders

Maidana more deserving, Khan more interesting - however I'd rather see Mayweather fight Danny Garcia than either of these two.

by JabMachineMK2 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:53 pm

Nobody else thought that Khans speed wasn't as obvious and hasn't been for a while? Garcia was the last time I saw him really unload at speed, but the power just aint there, they're very pitter patter. I think he's diminished in terms of speed and his power seems to have gone somewhere too.

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 2:59 pm

I think his power lacks for the same reason his jab isn't as authoritative as it should be (which would have dealt with juiceman LP) - he doesn't sit down on his punches.

by JabMachineMK2 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 3:50 pm

I agree mate, he always seems to be throwing his next 2 punches with his body placement, but in his head he's not thought it through so he's not able to throw with the power he should.

by Izzi Wed 05 Feb 2014, 4:57 pm

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I agree mate, he always seems to be throwing his next 2 punches with his body placement, but in his head he's not thought it through so he's not able to throw with the power he should.

Or he's:

A. Scared poopless about getting hit so doesn't commit to the punch

B. already on jelly legs having been hit by a paper cup on the way to the ring

C. Is just an average boxer with poor balance.

D. All of the above.

by aja424 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 5:07 pm

Izzi wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:I agree mate, he always seems to be throwing his next 2 punches with his body placement, but in his head he's not thought it through so he's not able to throw with the power he should.

Or he's:

A. Scared poopless about getting hit so doesn't commit to the punch

B. already on jelly legs having been hit by a paper cup on the way to the ring

C. Is just an average boxer with poor balance.

D. All of the above.

OR:

A. Being scared of being hit? Very strange career selection and career route?

B. Took Maidana's best, went down but refused to stay down.

C. The 'average' boxer doesn't compete for and win world titles.

D. What is your contribution to boxing?

by Izzi Wed 05 Feb 2014, 5:14 pm

aja424 wrote:
Izzi wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:I agree mate, he always seems to be throwing his next 2 punches with his body placement, but in his head he's not thought it through so he's not able to throw with the power he should.

Or he's:

A. Scared poopless about getting hit so doesn't commit to the punch

B. already on jelly legs having been hit by a paper cup on the way to the ring

C. Is just an average boxer with poor balance.

D. All of the above.

OR:

A. Being scared of being hit? Very strange career selection and career route?.... Can't teach a man balls in the mould of Gatti is what I was alluding to

B. Took Maidana's best, went down but refused to stay down... Didn't get knocked down

C. The 'average' boxer doesn't compete for and win world titles.... Glenn Mccory did, as an example

D. What is your contribution to boxing? Have donated millions to helping underprivileged kids have the facilities they need in 3rd world countries

by TopHat24/7 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 5:22 pm

v2 scocker - Izzi is apparently a millionaire!!

by JabMachineMK2 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm

Although I'm going to call cowpat.

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