Khan or Maidana (Mayweather supposedly letting the public decide)

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Mon 03 Feb 2014, 11:19

First topic message reminder :

Who's your pick??

I go for Maidana. Holds a belt, off a fantastic win against the apparant "next best thing" and has a chin.

by aja424 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 17:45

Izzi wrote:
aja424 wrote:
Izzi wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:I agree mate, he always seems to be throwing his next 2 punches with his body placement, but in his head he's not thought it through so he's not able to throw with the power he should.

Or he's:

A. Scared poopless about getting hit so doesn't commit to the punch

B. already on jelly legs having been hit by a paper cup on the way to the ring

C. Is just an average boxer with poor balance.

D. All of the above.

OR:

A. Being scared of being hit? Very strange career selection and career route?.... Can't teach a man balls in the mould of Gatti is what I was alluding to

B. Took Maidana's best, went down but refused to stay down... Didn't get knocked down

C. The 'average' boxer doesn't compete for and win world titles.... Glenn Mccory did, as an example

D. What is your contribution to boxing? Have donated millions to helping underprivileged kids have the facilities they need in 3rd world countries

Have heard the keyboard warrior a fair few times, but now we have our own keyboard millionaire, brilliant stuff.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 17:45

Manny loses two fights. He's the best challenge out there..

Khan loses one and he's.....

Go figure...

by catchweight Wed 05 Feb 2014, 17:55

Khans bid is faltering TRUSSMAN. We need more articles from you promoting his claim.
The MAyweathers may be reading. Come on!

10 reasons why Khan is a good fight....
10 reasons Khan is more legitimate than Manny.....
10 reasons Mayweather should fight Khan.....

MORE MORE MORE!!!

by KO-KING Wed 05 Feb 2014, 19:41

Neither of them are going to win, but I rather see khan, out of the two I probably like Maidana more as a fighter, but we've seen what flat footed slow tough guys do to Mayweather, nothing.

Lets ignore the fact that style wise he matches up much better than plodders like Guerrero/Maidana, sure he got KO'd by Prescott but he also faced 8 one time world champions (compared to 6/7 maidana) and lost to one and got robbed against the other (close fight but all the other sh1t included = robbery), 2 Time World Champion - tried to get Bradley for Undisputed title, 1 time Unified World Champion; compared to the Floyds recent opponents i'll be surprised if Khan doesnt win more rounds than them, I expect khan to win few rounds - whilst that isnt exactly competitive, its a whole lot better than any recent opposition.

Floyds Options not Khan/Maidana: Pac, Bradley - Top Rank = Wont happen, Garcia - Doesnt want it yet, Lara - Wont happen as Floyd will be fighting at 147 for his next fight,

If khan comes in with the right game plan he can trouble Mayweather (for half of the fight). If Khan gets blown out, i'll be the first to say how wrong i was, but i see him doing better than JMM, Guerrero, Canelo

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Feb 2014, 20:41

KO-KING wrote:Neither of them are going to win, but I rather see khan, out of the two I probably like Maidana more as a fighter, but we've seen what flat footed slow tough guys do to Mayweather, nothing.

Lets ignore the fact that style wise he matches up much better than plodders like Guerrero/Maidana, sure he got KO'd by Prescott but he also faced 8 one time world champions (compared to 6/7 maidana) and lost to one and got robbed against the other (close fight but all the other sh1t included = robbery), 2 Time World Champion - tried to get Bradley for Undisputed title, 1 time Unified World Champion; compared to the Floyds recent opponents i'll be surprised if Khan doesnt win more rounds than them, I expect khan to win few rounds - whilst that isnt exactly competitive, its a whole lot better than any recent opposition.

Floyds Options not Khan/Maidana: Pac, Bradley - Top Rank = Wont happen, Garcia - Doesnt want it yet, Lara - Wont happen as Floyd will be fighting at 147 for his next fight,

If khan comes in with the right game plan he can trouble Mayweather (for half of the fight). If Khan gets blown out, i'll be the first to say how wrong i was, but i see him doing better than JMM, Guerrero, Canelo

I'll ignore the malcontent....

Thing is KO king..Nobody has much of a chance...........Manny is 1-2 and he's apparently the best fight out there.....Khan logistically is awkward for Floyd.......

Would straight ahead predictable Manny be........Or Danny Garcia........?

Manny wants 50/50 and he isn't worth that money..

People only make silly pops about his opposition because they can't criticise anything else....You know the type...The ones who say Nicklaus thrashes Woods...Tommy Burns knocks out Lennox Lewis..

The type that hates the fact a modern fighter may be greater than most of the ones from the past.......

Apparently older fighters were technically better.............Anyone seen Gene Fullmer and Lamotta fight ?? and they beat the consensus number 1..

Mayweather............He beats everybody..He's hugely talented...So let's chuck the JMM owned Manny at him.........That's all they got baby !!

by KO-KING Wed 05 Feb 2014, 21:39

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
KO-KING wrote:Neither of them are going to win, but I rather see khan, out of the two I probably like Maidana more as a fighter, but we've seen what flat footed slow tough guys do to Mayweather, nothing.

Lets ignore the fact that style wise he matches up much better than plodders like Guerrero/Maidana, sure he got KO'd by Prescott but he also faced 8 one time world champions (compared to 6/7 maidana) and lost to one and got robbed against the other (close fight but all the other sh1t included = robbery), 2 Time World Champion - tried to get Bradley for Undisputed title, 1 time Unified World Champion; compared to the Floyds recent opponents i'll be surprised if Khan doesnt win more rounds than them, I expect khan to win few rounds - whilst that isnt exactly competitive, its a whole lot better than any recent opposition.

Floyds Options not Khan/Maidana: Pac, Bradley - Top Rank = Wont happen, Garcia - Doesnt want it yet, Lara - Wont happen as Floyd will be fighting at 147 for his next fight,

If khan comes in with the right game plan he can trouble Mayweather (for half of the fight). If Khan gets blown out, i'll be the first to say how wrong i was, but i see him doing better than JMM, Guerrero, Canelo

I'll ignore the malcontent....

Thing is KO king..Nobody has much of a chance...........Manny is 1-2 and he's apparently the best fight out there.....Khan logistically is awkward for Floyd.......

Would straight ahead predictable Manny be........Or Danny Garcia........?

Manny wants 50/50 and he isn't worth that money..

People only make silly pops about his opposition because they can't criticise anything else....You know the type...The ones who say Nicklaus thrashes Woods...Tommy Burns knocks out Lennox Lewis..

The type that hates the fact a modern fighter may be greater than most of the ones from the past.......

Apparently older fighters were technically better.............Anyone seen Gene Fullmer and Lamotta fight ?? and they beat the consensus number 1..

Mayweather............He beats everybody..He's hugely talented...So let's chuck the JMM owned Manny at him.........That's all they got baby !!

There's good and bad from every era, Mayorga became unified champ - technically poor. Pacquiao said 40/60 didn't he?

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 19:39

Great column in this week's Boxing News on this. Editor Tris Dixon slams the choice of both Khan and Maidana. Highlights Lara, Garcia, Bradley and Pacquiao as opponents the world would really like to vote on as well as Golovkin and Martinez.

Top man!

by Hammersmith harrier Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:30

You can't on one hand make excuses for GGG because of HBO then expect Mayweather to face top rank fighters.

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:33

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You can't on one hand make excuses for GGG because of HBO then expect Mayweather to face top rank fighters.

As Dixon points out in his column: Floyd can make a fight with anyone - Arum or no Arum - he holds all of the aces. If he had wanted to he could have fought Bradley or Pacquiao had he so wished.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:34

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You can't on one hand make excuses for GGG because of HBO then expect Mayweather to face top rank fighters.

Yes he can....If an historian say's it..

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:37

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You can't on one hand make excuses for GGG because of HBO then expect Mayweather to face top rank fighters.

What excuses did I make for Golovkin?

by Hammersmith harrier Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:42

That it's ok for him to demand Geale when the fight happens because HBO won't change their schedule. GBP and Top Rank don't negotiate with each other so surely that's also an acceptable excuse.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:43

So we can draw the following conclusions...

If Haz doesn't like you ....You're an overrated ducker...

If he does it's okay to cherry pick........

If you agree Hagler beat Leonard...You're a good historian..........

If you don't you are a poor historian and he doesn't like you..and won't read your books anymore..

Glad we sorted that out

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:50

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That it's ok for him to demand Geale when the fight happens because HBO won't change their schedule. GBP and Top Rank don't negotiate with each other so surely that's also an acceptable excuse.

l

I don't think they are comparable. Floyd is the most powerful man in the sport - Dixon asserts he could fight anyone he chose to. Check out the column it's excellent.

Also accuses Floyd of not daring to be great (more or less).

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:53

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So we can draw the following conclusions...

If Haz doesn't like you ....You're an overrated ducker...

If he does it's okay to cherry pick........

If you agree Hagler beat Leonard...You're a good historian..........

If you don't you are a poor historian and he doesn't like you..and won't read your books anymore..

Glad we sorted that out

1. I'm unlikely to "like" a fighter (bit nine year old school disco that - prefer "watch") if they are overrated or duck challenges. You have the chicken and the egg the wrong way around.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:56

Good night Haz...Good night Hammer....Good night John-boy.. thumbsup

by Hammersmith harrier Thu 06 Feb 2014, 21:57

You agree with the column so you think it's great, personally think it's a load of crap. Promotional rivalries can't be dismissed when they so obviously affect match making.

by hazharrison Thu 06 Feb 2014, 22:02

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You agree with the column so you think it's great, personally think it's a load of crap. Promotional rivalries can't be dismissed when they so obviously affect match making.

Pacquiao came out today and said he'd accept the fight tomorrow. Bradley was a free agent after Marquez (only recently signed a new deal with TR). Good to see a great publication giving an honest view.

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 06 Feb 2014, 22:25

Floyd can choose whoever he wants, rightly or wrongly he is the biggest star in boxing and calls all the shots. Don't see how you can say otherwise.

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 06 Feb 2014, 22:27

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Manny loses two fights. He's the best challenge out there..

Khan loses one and he's.....

Go figure...

Is that the measure we are using now?

Ok then, Frankie Gavin has won his last 3. He should get the fight.

by 3fingers Thu 06 Feb 2014, 23:25

Multiple weights, seperated by miniscule increments, each with a plethora of belts and a host of champion pretenders at each weight, has made moving up and winning a 'title' seem the norm, its not. The modern superstars move up in weight to beat a weak champion, perhaps at a catchweight, and the statistical history books take care of their legacy. In reality moving up a weight to beat The Actual Man is extremely difficult, however, recently, this fact has been ignored (because of the collaberation between the media and the money hungry boxing machinery), and as a result fans suggest incredulous fights. Mayweather should not fight Triple G . Triple G should not fight Kovalev. Weights are their for a reason, being the man or extremely dangerous at the weight actually means something.3fingersPosts: 172Join date: 2013-10-15

by catchweight Fri 07 Feb 2014, 09:36

Promotional rivalries is just the latest excuse peddled by the Mayweather crazies. A while ago it was drug testing. In a while it will be something else.

Mayweather has pretty said he doesnt care for the fight. He said he would vacate rather than make it and that Pacquiaos financial problems mean he wouldnt "throw him a bone". Mayweathers own position.

He doesnt want the fight, at leat not until 2015 when Pacquiao is in the well past it phase like Cotto, Mosley and de la Hoya. Then he will face a broke, past it Pacquiao whos only fighting to keep the tax man off him.

by quentins_monkey Fri 07 Feb 2014, 09:55

Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

Smile

by catchweight Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:01

When they announce the fight I just know that sweaty creep Schaefer will be selling it as "80% of boxing fans voted for... (whichever one gets it), the support for his fight was overwhelming" and completely to neglect to mention that there were only two choices.

And then some on here will start peddling that "stat" too. Should be good fun.

by hazharrison Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:12

catchweight wrote:Promotional rivalries is just the latest excuse peddled by the Mayweather crazies. A while ago it was drug testing. In a while it will be something else.

Mayweather has pretty said he doesnt care for the fight. He said he would vacate rather than make it and that Pacquiaos financial problems mean he wouldnt "throw him a bone". Mayweathers own position.

He doesnt want the fight, at leat not until 2015 when Pacquiao is in the well past it phase like Cotto, Mosley and de la Hoya. Then he will face a broke, past it Pacquiao whos only fighting to keep the tax man off him.

They don't mind being duped. Some of them love it in fact. They'd be quite happy for Mayweather to fight Khan four times in a row and retire undefeated. He must be laughing his backside off -- he must feel like the luckiest sportsman in the world to have such complicit supporters.

I don't mind Mayweather getting rich and retiring with his health and wealth. There aren't many who manage it. It's a trade-off, though. He can't claim to be the best ever or any of that nonsense fighting these types of fights (and he'll never be rated as such as a result).

by hazharrison Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:14

quentins_monkey wrote:Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

It's nothing more than a PR stunt: It's supposed to show Floyd giving the public what they want when the majority of fans want neither of these fights, which are a complete waste of everyone's time.

by quentins_monkey Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:37

hazharrison wrote:
quentins_monkey wrote:Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

It's nothing more than a PR stunt: It's supposed to show Floyd giving the public what they want when the majority of fans want neither of these fights, which are a complete waste of everyone's time.

I agree with you on that mate (hence why I didn't vote myself Smile

). Was just curious if they had given an official time when the poll is supposed to end? If they haven't (and as the poll is apparently pretty close) are they waiting for it to swing in the direction of their preferred fighter before announcing that the 'public have spoken'? Or is it a case of the poll ends at a set time and whatever the result,then that is the fight we will see?

Smile

by Izzi Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:00

quentins_monkey wrote:Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

Last I herd Maidana was miles ahead. Something to do with the public thinking Khan was a joke fight and was miles behind Marcos in deserving the fight, again something to do with Maidana beating up a lightweight and Khan getting decked and struggling past an old, shot and never that good anyway lightweight.

Unlike Ortiz at least Maidana won't try and bum him mid fight, will keep coming forwards and unlike Guerrero has the size advantage. Hate the idea of the fight as it's target practice for Floyd but it's a damn mile ahead of glass chin 'I got dropped by a powder punching lightweight' Khan

by catchweight Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:07

Scary that a guy Devon Alexander whipped could be miles ahead in a poll to face Mayweather.

by Boxtthis Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:08

I just read on boxing scene that Khan has come back and now has the slight edge in the poll.

Saying that. I don't know why I'm commenting on this. Both are thoroughly underwhelming fights.

by Boxtthis Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:10

catchweight wrote:Scary that a guy Devon Alexander whipped could be miles ahead in a poll to face Mayweather.

Exactly. Watch the Alexander fight again and you'll get some real perspective on the chances that Maidana has against Floyd.

by KingMonkey Fri 07 Feb 2014, 13:27

Yet Khan avoided Alexander for fear of being beaten so he could land the Floyd fight. Khan would have been nailed on had he beaten Devon alas he did not.

by 3fingers Fri 07 Feb 2014, 13:41

How do you vote? Wheres the poll? Is there even a poll?

by hazharrison Fri 07 Feb 2014, 14:20

3fingers wrote:How do you vote? Wheres the poll? Is there even a poll?

It's up Shaeffer's butt.

by 3fingers Fri 07 Feb 2014, 14:30

so it's BS?

by TopHat24/7 Fri 07 Feb 2014, 15:19

Izzi wrote:
quentins_monkey wrote:Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

Last I herd Maidana was miles ahead. Something to do with the public thinking Khan was a joke fight and was miles behind Marcos in deserving the fight, again something to do with Maidana beating up a lightweight and Khan getting decked and struggling past an old, shot and never that good anyway lightweight.

Unlike Ortiz at least Maidana won't try and bum him mid fight, will keep coming forwards and unlike Guerrero has the size advantage. Hate the idea of the fight as it's target practice for Floyd but it's a damn mile ahead of glass chin 'I got dropped by a powder punching lightweight' Khan

Does he? What are the respective height and reach state?

by TopHat24/7 Fri 07 Feb 2014, 15:20

Get on twitter, it's all on there with links to the poll itself.

Last time I saw there was almost nothing in it.

by TopHat24/7 Fri 07 Feb 2014, 15:23

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Izzi wrote:
quentins_monkey wrote:Has anyone voted in the poll? I was just wondering if anyone knew how it currently stands (read somewhere that khan had taken the lead). Didn't want to vote myself as think there are better options out there (and I didn't want to link my FB account to it!).

Also does anyone know when the poll is supposed to end and a 'winner' announced?

Last I herd Maidana was miles ahead. Something to do with the public thinking Khan was a joke fight and was miles behind Marcos in deserving the fight, again something to do with Maidana beating up a lightweight and Khan getting decked and struggling past an old, shot and never that good anyway lightweight.

Unlike Ortiz at least Maidana won't try and bum him mid fight, will keep coming forwards and unlike Guerrero has the size advantage. Hate the idea of the fight as it's target practice for Floyd but it's a damn mile ahead of glass chin 'I got dropped by a powder punching lightweight' Khan

Does he? What are the respective height and reach stats?

Just checked, Floyd has a 3 inch reach advantage and 1 inch in height advantage. So not sure how you reckon Maidana has the size advantage, especially as Maidana isn't one know for blowing up massively after the weigh in.

by 3fingers Fri 07 Feb 2014, 18:24

Could someone post a link to the poll, I'm not on twitter. If it's legit, I'm surprised there isn't a link on every boxing website.

by 3fingers Fri 07 Feb 2014, 20:25

No link? Is this poll BS? Does it exist? Is it independently verified or is the result already decided?

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