Khan or Maidana (Mayweather supposedly letting the public decide)

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Who's your pick??

I go for Maidana. Holds a belt, off a fantastic win against the apparant "next best thing" and has a chin.

No matter how some seem to want to dress it up, either choice is a disappointing matchup. Khan has done nothing in recent years to deserve it, but he's still probably (marginally) the more intriguing fight than Maidana. Maidana will look like he's in slow motion against floyd. He'll never catch Mayweather with those looping punches of his. That fight is a complete non contest.

Rowley wrote:Is there any chance just one subject can be debated without the need to insult each other?

I dunno Fatso

If you had a clue then you wouldnt throwing out past it guys like Mosley or Cotto as evidence of Mayweathers great challenge seeking ability.

The biggest risk he took on is about a decade is Alvarez who would be a B or C list opponent for most great fighters. Even a Fernando Vargas is way ahead of Alvarez.

I'm not saying that they're his best opponents, my argument is that they're not exactly patsies. Theres the ability of sitting in the middle and saying yes, although they're not Pacquiao, Williams or Margarito, they're hardly old bin-men. He's pushed himself by going from SFW right the way up to Light Middleweight throughout his career and he's taken on boxers better than most others have. Name someone who's done anything close in the past 10 years?

He hasnt pushed himself at all. Its a surprise if he even takes on a proven welterweight. It would be fine if people recognised he just avoids the tough challenges but its the blithering excuses and apologies made for it.

Clueless utterly clueless, you bang on about the past a lot but your posts never suggest you have a clue about the 40's and 50's. Bringing up names like Robinson, Louis or Charles is childs play and to think you're the one constantly accusing others of not having a clue, think it's time you toned the mass abuse you throw at anyone who doesn't share your views. You seem under the impression that it's either your way or the highway, it is all opinion, i'm not necessarily right and you certainly are not right.

There's need for anyone to have to need an encyclopedic knowledge of the sports history to appreciate modern fighters and in this case Mayweather. He is without a shadow of a doubt one of the greatest boxers to have ever graced this earth, I don't need to spend 30 minutes writing up a comparison between him and Robinson to come to that conclusion.

It is posters like you who bring forums like this down, failure to accept any difference of opinion, I rarely agree with Haz but at least he has the decency to debate in a polite and gentlemanly manner.

Oh I dont know Hammersmith. I expect its you that could do with toning down the abuse and self important crap before you get banned yet again and come creeping back with a new name. Yes, the mods that you constantly whine to have told me all about you.

Oh and Mayweather is a cherry picker, no matter how much you want to bum him.

catchweight wrote:Oh I dont know Hammersmith. I expect its you that could do with toning down the abuse and self important crap before you get banned yet again and come creeping back with a new name. Yes, the mods that you constantly whine to have told me all about you.

Do the mods spend a lot of time speaking to you? Christ! Their job is tougher than I thought.

Yes it not all free fight tickets and ferraris apparently

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Clueless utterly clueless, you bang on about the past a lot but your posts never suggest you have a clue about the 40's and 50's. Bringing up names like Robinson, Louis or Charles is childs play and to think you're the one constantly accusing others of not having a clue, think it's time you toned the mass abuse you throw at anyone who doesn't share your views. You seem under the impression that it's either your way or the highway, it is all opinion, i'm not necessarily right and you certainly are not right.

There's need for anyone to have to need an encyclopedic knowledge of the sports history to appreciate modern fighters and in this case Mayweather. He is without a shadow of a doubt one of the greatest boxers to have ever graced this earth, I don't need to spend 30 minutes writing up a comparison between him and Robinson to come to that conclusion.

It is posters like you who bring forums like this down, failure to accept any difference of opinion, I rarely agree with Haz but at least he has the decency to debate in a polite and gentlemanly manner.

Very true.........Must say I expect a lot of boxers these days would love to have a career as good as Mayweather's......For a cherry picking bum he's done awfully well...

Back on topic.

Khan beat Maidana, yes he had a scare in round 10, but showed his heart and got through it.

I think other than Pacquiao, Khan is the only boxer who presents Mayweather a problem. Khan was a superior amateur boxer to Mayweather, and is more athletic than the ageing Floyd.

It's a good fight, and I very much doubt Mayweather KOs Khan as the majority suggest. He doesn't throw enough and hasn't legitimately knocked someone out since 2006.

Khan offers Mayweather absolutely nothing. Zilch. They are both terrible fights which is a shame because he has some genuine challengers out there.

All Time Great wrote:Back on topic.

Khan beat Maidana, yes he had a scare in round 10, but showed his heart and got through it.

I think other than Pacquiao, Khan is the only boxer who presents Mayweather a problem. Khan was a superior amateur boxer to Mayweather, and is more athletic than the ageing Floyd.

It's a good fight, and I very much doubt Mayweather KOs Khan as the majority suggest. He doesn't throw enough and hasn't legitimately knocked someone out since 2006.

It is a good fight...............Martinez - Barker.....Macklin...Murray are apparently acceptable.......as is Macklin-GGG

So these are too...........After all Maidana has just beaten Broner..............A top fighter.........

You'd think Khan and Maidana were bums wouldn't you ??

This is insane. Maidana and Khan are world level fighters. Wasn't long ago many felt Khan would defeat Bradley!

Khan is fringe world level right now. Splattered by the clear number one and and struggled badly against a fringe world level fighter in Diaz, being dropped in the process.

His last decet performance was July 2011 which will be 3 years ago come fight time.

All Time Great wrote:This is insane. Maidana and Khan are world level fighters. Wasn't long ago many felt Khan would defeat Bradley!

Getting smacked silly by Garcia and losing to the shockingly average Peterson tend to change people's minds. Oh, and barely getting by a fat, blown up not to mention shot lightweight hasn't helped change opinion that khan is average.

And Khan has no chance of giving FMJ any trouble. He has no chin and Floyd won't be able to miss it with his straight right.

Wipe the man stuff away and take the nuthugging blanket off your face.

And Maidana was handled with ease by Alexander at WW.

Both are terrible fights. Let's not dress them up as something they are not.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:And Maidana was handled with ease by Alexander at WW.

Both are terrible fights. Let's not dress them up as something they are not.

Never mind dressing up, a full whole body reconstruction with sex change is being carried out.

Both dross opponents. Save for the nuthuggers who claim 'out but this other guy is fighting this inferior guy so if MUST make it ok' blah blah blah

Both awful opponents, beating up lightweights (or in the case of Khan getting dropped and scraping by one) haven't earnt them the right to fight Floyd.

Izzi wrote:

All Time Great wrote:This is insane. Maidana and Khan are world level fighters. Wasn't long ago many felt Khan would defeat Bradley!

Getting smacked silly by Garcia and losing to the shockingly average Peterson tend to change people's minds. Oh, and barely getting by a fat, blown up not to mention shot lightweight hasn't helped change opinion that khan is average.

And Khan has no chance of giving FMJ any trouble. He has no chin and Floyd won't be able to miss it with his straight right.

Wipe the man stuff away and take the nuthugging blanket off your face.

It's not nuthugging, it's being objective which you clearly lack.

Name five fighters other than Khan and Maidana who you would want to face Mayweathrr?

This does not include GGG, who clearly will only fight at 160lbs. In addition, not including fights he's already had...

All Time Great wrote:

Izzi wrote:

All Time Great wrote:This is insane. Maidana and Khan are world level fighters. Wasn't long ago many felt Khan would defeat Bradley!

Getting smacked silly by Garcia and losing to the shockingly average Peterson tend to change people's minds. Oh, and barely getting by a fat, blown up not to mention shot lightweight hasn't helped change opinion that khan is average.

And Khan has no chance of giving FMJ any trouble. He has no chin and Floyd won't be able to miss it with his straight right.

Wipe the man stuff away and take the nuthugging blanket off your face.

It's not nuthugging, it's being objective which you clearly lack.

Name five fighters other than Khan and Maidana who you would want to face Mayweathrr?

This does not include GGG, who clearly will only fight at 160lbs. In addition, not including fights he's already had...

Garcia, Bradley, Martinez, Manny and Lara. Easy.

Could probably add Thurman and Matthyse to that list too.

Danny Garcia is the one that I would have expected him to fight, but now he's lined up a fight. Although having said that I'm sure money could talk on that one. Flavour of the month fighter. Better than what most of us thought. Never fought at welter so should be a reasonably easy win but has the big shots as a bit of a leveler to keep it interesting. He would be seen as more legitimate than khan and maidana. Might be talked down after the fight but who wouldn't be. Seemed a no brainer to me, especially him being with golden boy.

Manny and Bradley are not going to happen any time soon for reasons we dont need to go into yet again.

martinez I feel at this stage would also be an easy nights work compared to a couple of years ago but he has the cotto match now.

lara - mayweather is all about the money and that is probably the lowest return for him so can't see that happening either.

I do think thurman will be an opponent next year. Couple more decent wins and he will become flavour of the month. I like thurman so it is another I'd be happy to see.

Maidana > Matthyse.

Thurman, Has fought no one of note.

Lara, gets no one excited.

Bradley, is a TR fighter as is Manny. So the fight can't happen due to politics.

Martinez, he's almost 40 years old and was beat in my opinion against Martin Murray and has been out injured for over a year.

Garcia therefore, is the only viable opponent in your list that makes money and would be a bigger fight than Maidana or Khan. Having said that  Khan took him to school for the best part of three full rounds before he was caught. If Khan can do that, imagine what Mayweather would do!

In my opinion, Khan is a viable opponent who could win rounds against Mayweather despite everyone believing he has the weakest chin in the division... Which he doesn't (see Round 10 vs. Maidana), he just has a poor inside defence, which can be worked on.

All Time Great wrote:Garcia therefore, is the only viable opponent in your list that makes money and would be a bigger fight than Maidana or Khan. Having said that  Khan took him to school for the best part of three full rounds before he was caught. If Khan can do that, imagine what Mayweather would do!

Some people beggar belief.

They were fighting over 12 rounds, not 2. And for someone handing out a 'boxing lesson' I find it strange that if Khan had made it through the round he'd have been behind on the scorecards?

Guess I can excuse a lack of knowledge for realising that a fighter may not start at warp speed and will almost give a couple of rounds away to 'feel out' an opponent.

Nobody, barring a Floyd nuthugger, thinks that Khan provides any sort of fight!

If a blown up lightweight who's past it can drop Khan and give him all sorts of fits then imagine what FMJ does to him!!!!

You have no comeback so save your sausage fingers the effort.

All Time Great wrote:Maidana > Matthyse.

Thurman, Has fought no one of note.

Lara, gets no one excited.

Bradley, is a TR fighter as is Manny. So the fight can't happen due to politics.

Martinez, he's almost 40 years old and was beat in my opinion against Martin Murray and has been out injured for over a year.

Garcia therefore, is the only viable opponent in your list that makes money and would be a bigger fight than Maidana or Khan. Having said that  Khan took him to school for the best part of three full rounds before he was caught. If Khan can do that, imagine what Mayweather would do!

In my opinion, Khan is a viable opponent who could win rounds against Mayweather despite everyone believing he has the weakest chin in the division... Which he doesn't (see Round 10 vs. Maidana), he just has a poor inside defence, which can be worked on.

Thurman and Lara are both much better opponents than Khan who looks on the slide in his last 2 fights. When we analyze him properly and we have a fighter who has been beaten by Brutally by Prescott and Garcia as well outfought by Peterson. He has also been dropped by a blown up lightweight Diaz, the feather fisted Willie Limond and a past his best Gomez who a year earlier would have stopped Khan. The rose tinted specs you wear when looking at Khan need a review trying to convince us that Khan was outclassing Garcia by winning 2 rounds of a championship fight is clutching at straws in the extreme, even funnier when you consider as said above that he would have been behind on the scorecards at the end of the 4th if he had survived with Garcia starting to take control. Khan would be a elite fighter if punches to the face and infighting were outlawed from the sport, but sadly they are a massive part of the game and that's why Khan will never be a really top fighter and done extremely well to ever get a belt.

You all seem to be missing the point, Mayweather looking for the best fight for him not the best fighter to face him and, using Mayweather's yardstick, the best fight for him is the one that brings him most money. Now, discounting Manny (although there are rumours in the press that it's mooted for September) the fighter who brings Mayweather the most money is Khan due to the Saudi backing he appears to enjoy at the moment

Don't really see it Dave, Khan does not sell tickets in the States in fact for 2 of his fights they could not even give away the tickets for free, he is not going to sell a PPV either all the money made for the fight will come from Mayweather. At the end of the day Floyd is a modern great and like him or not box office, he could fight Christopher Biggins and it would sell. Khan brings nothing more to the fights profile than any other fighter would, except the fact he is the easiest conceivable fight Floyd could take for his mega purse and would give him a rare KO win.

DAVE667 wrote:You all seem to be missing the point, Mayweather looking for the best fight for him not the best fighter to face him and, using Mayweather's yardstick, the best fight for him is the one that brings him most money. Now, discounting Manny (although there are rumours in the press that it's mooted for September) the fighter who brings Mayweather the most money is Khan due to the Saudi backing he appears to enjoy at the moment

Debate that heavily.

Khan vs Garcia:

Sold: 3147 tickets
Comps: 3364 tickets
Unsold: 737

Total gate: $426k

Garcia as a potential star wasn't going to bring in the fans and it's obvious neither does Khan. His other Vegas fights have performed equally appallingly. When you sell under half the arena out I would heavily dispute the above.

It isn't as simple as gate receipts, Khan will bring a wealth of PPV from the UK, we'll be sold the adverts prior to the fight that Khan is fighting for the P4P belt. Adam Smith and the sky crew will attempt to tell us Khan has a real chance of an upset.
If it wasn't financial viable , Maywether wouldn't entertain it and who doesn't want to see him face the second coming of Tommy Hearns.

Cheers Rodders

Rodney wrote:It isn't as simple as gate receipts, Khan will bring a wealth of PPV from the UK, we'll be sold the adverts prior to the fight that Khan is fighting for the P4P belt. Adam Smith and the sky crew will attempt to tell us Khan has a real chance of an upset.
If it wasn't financial viable , Maywether wouldn't entertain it and who doesn't want to see him face the second coming of Tommy Hearns.

Cheers Rodders

Cheers Dave

Thing is Khan isn't a massive PPV star - Sky dropped him, did they not...? He only generated 50,000 PPVs on Primetime against Mckloskey - and that was with all the Irish support.

Mayweather knows the fight will do 500k PPVs and it'd be the easiest payday he's ever earnt all whilst satisfying the need to fight X times in a certain period as stipulated by his Showtime contract.

Let me first applaud you on your attempted humour originality.

That was McCloskey, this is Mayweather it will sell enough to keep the little twerp Floyd happy. Poor fight and one I'd happily sleep through but must make financial sense somewhere along the line , as Khans credentials are not worthy.

Cheers Rodders

It'd do similar numbers to Guerrero. Will still make a decent cop out of it for about 5 minutes work.

And no worries old boy, hopefully I may have brought a second or two of comedic sunshine in to your life for today

Khan is not popular here generally and has had poor PPV sales in the past, the average punter on the street thinks his is a glass chinned clown and has no chance against Floyd. Many will watch it by other means but few will pay Sky £15 to watch a foregone conclusion unless they are Mayweather fans and want to see him in HD. Those watching for Floyd will watch it no matter who he fights.

I won't be paying sky anything for it but will still watch it.....

I hope its Khan. Would be huge for British boxing if that fight and froch vs Groves happens in 2014. Massive hype train with all the casual fans getting involved. Would put boxing back into the mainstream in the UK as a spectator sport.

Maidana, although hard punching, is slow and easy to hit, ask Devon Alexander who outboxed him with no effort. Broner was overhyped and fighting two divisions above his natural lightweight. The Malinaggi fight told us all we needed to know about Broner.

Khan has vulnerabilities but at least he's fast and entertaining. He won't be outboxed but he can be out punched.

He has become a crap fighter overnight like Canelo..

If Khan had of fought at 147 against a champ like Maidana then maybe this fight wouldn't be criticised as much. But going life and death in a warm up at 145 against the legend that is Diaz doesn't do him any favors. Truss you said before that you want Mayweather to finish with his 0 I'm surprised you aren't crying out for Floyd to face Victor Ortiz again just to be 110 percent sure he's safe

the Maidana fight is perfectly credible. I think we all know how it will pan out, but - hes just given the performance of his career to beat a highly rated undefeated champion.

Khan? i dont see how it can be defended. After he beat Judah or Maidana then fair enough. but since then he has been exposed by Peterson and Garcia, with a couple of highly unconvincing victories since.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:If Khan had of fought at 147 against a champ like Maidana then maybe this fight wouldn't be criticised as much. But going life and death in a warm up at 145 against the legend that is Diaz doesn't do him any favors. Truss you said before that you want Mayweather to finish with his 0 I'm surprised you aren't crying out for Floyd to face Victor Ortiz again just to be 110 percent sure he's safe

Who did Leonard fight in the three years before Hagler..............Who did Holmes fight in the two years since he lost twice to Spinks before Tyson...

Who did Taylor fight at 150/154 before Norris..........Gomez before Sanchez at 122..................Duran before Hagler............Van Horn at 168 before he won the title.....Mccallum at 160 before Kalambay..

Lots of examples of this...........People are playing the Man..............Like I said If Floyd beat GGG he'd be overrated...Martinez would be past it .......Manny wouldn't have lost back in 2009 blah blah blah...

It is what It is.....

Nt sure Khan was exposed by Peterson, why do idiots still consider that a legitimate win. The IBF are are bunch of goons based in Washington who wanted the Washington based fighter to win. Why do you think they didn't strip him of his title after he tested positive for PEDs?

I voted for maidana as Khant doesn't deserve any kind of shot at long or a massive payday come to think of it I'm unbeaten on Wii boxing against my 8 year old I think I deserve a shot more than Khant haha

They consider it a legitimate win......Because it fitsin to the narrative of calling Khan crap...So Floydy gets hammered for cherrypicking.....and gets no credit.........

Keep up with events kiddo..

titaniumjaw wrote:I voted for maidana as Khant doesn't deserve any kind of shot at long or a massive payday come to think of it I'm unbeaten on Wii boxing against my 8  year old I think I deserve a shot more than Khant haha

Who deserves a title shot these days ???............

...............Did Mackilin deserve a shot at GGG..........No.....

There are over 50 champions in the sport probably...............You think the best candidate gets the shot ???............

Bollox...........

You all just want to see Floydy lose !!......and you'll keep crying until God has mercy..........Khan is a very good fighter....Sure he's not in Floyd's class but who is ???

If he fought JMM right after he battered Manny you'd be moaning..............GET OVER IT !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:They consider it a legitimate win......Because it fitsin to  the narrative of calling Khan crap...So Floydy gets hammered for cherrypicking.....and gets no credit.........

Keep up with events kiddo..

Thanks for the explanation. I really do think Khan gets more detractors than any other British fighter, some even questioning his loyalty to Britain. I think he's actually quite underrated.

I'm not saying Khan is the greatest fighter of all time, and I'm not saying he's second in line to Mayweather.

But..... Styles make fights! So in this respect he's a viable opponent to Mayweather who people would pay to see. A 24/7 series (Showtime equivalent) featuring Khan will generate interest.

It's a good fight from a boxing perspective, and a media perspective.

If you think a kid who wins an Olympic silver medal at the age of 17 is rubbish, you need your head testing.

There's too much animosity towards Khan in this forum, it does make one wonder if his cultural background plays a part in this...

That's right fellas..........Shocking the lack of respect for one of Britain's finest..