Can Lancaster's England survive a second loss?

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With England 0/1 and still with their nemesis Wales and the resurgent Ireland to face, it's worth thinking about where that leaves England.

Losing again will threaten their 4th placing. Lancaster has staked his reputation on being the second best team in the world by the end of the season. That would see him needing a series clean sweep in NZ to reach his self imposed objective.

With the scrum and lineout both looking less than stable, and questions around the effectiveness of his Backline the saviour of English rugby could be in a tricky spot should he lose either of those encounters.

It's unlikely that Scotland have the players to upset this England squad, but should they do so in one of those freak Scottish upset victories that have become prominent of late, could we hypothetically be looking at a New England coach before the World Cup? Following an historic 6N wooden spoon?

We know that England are a team that play on confidence, and that adversity easily rattles the side and brings them under the scrutiny of Britain's vicious tabloid assault. Just look at the collapse of the celebrated England cricket team. How far away is something similar for the chariot?

Big League soccer was popular in NZ on Sunday mornings. I did learn a grudging respect for the game through watching those matches or staying up late to watch FA cup matches. Actually Everton were my team ebop! Rugby dominates the NZ sporting scene. I still get incensed with the theatrics and intimidation of the ref that unfortunately is slowly creeping into rugby, albeit at greatly reduced levels. But at the end of the day it's hanging round with guys drinking and there are worse ways to spend time than doing that.

How so oakey? I was born in NZ. My mother was born in NZ. My father is Scottish. I have dual citizenship. I lived in Fiji briefly as a child as well but predominantly I grew up in NZ. I have English grandparents on my mother's side. Why should I support England rugby out of all that. Sado-masochism doesn't run in the family.   

mystiroakey wrote:So you are no different to emack..


pfft

Your roots are in england IMO, you shouldnt support the Kiwis at rugby, or spain at football.




You support Spain and kiwis.. ermm you got me thinking

Do you support the USA in the Olympics as well.

How do you know he wasn't born in NZ, etc? He is clearly a Kiwi, you can't have a go at him for supporting the All Blacks!

Cyril wrote:

munkian wrote:

Cyril wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I voted with my feet Cyril. I live in Spain.   

That's in a worse state than the UK!

With admittedly better weather...

And Women

The UK has some fine women!

Thats what Cipriani thought ...

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Big League soccer was popular in NZ on Sunday mornings. I did learn a grudging respect for the game through watching those matches or staying up late to watch FA cup matches. Actually Everton were my team ebop! Rugby dominates the NZ sporting scene. I still get incensed with the theatrics and intimidation of the ref that unfortunately is slowly creeping into rugby, albeit at greatly reduced levels. But at the end of the day it's hanging round with guys drinking and there are worse ways to spend time than doing that.

How so oakey? I was born in NZ. My mother was born in NZ. My father is Scottish. I have dual citizenship. I lived in Fiji briefly as a child as well but predominantly I grew up in NZ. I have English grandparents on my mother's side. Why should I support England rugby out of all that. Sado-masochism doesn't run in the family.   

That's fine you qualify for NZ.

I'm joking!  

ChequeredJersey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:So you are no different to emack..


pfft

Your roots are in england IMO, you shouldnt support the Kiwis at rugby, or spain at football.




You support Spain and kiwis.. ermm you got me thinking

Do you support the USA in the Olympics as well.

How do you know he wasn't born in NZ, etc? He is clearly a Kiwi, you can't have a go at him for supporting the All Blacks!

Bullsh!t - he clearly grew up in london. he just admitted that- so what if he was born in kiwi for the first year of his life or so.. 

His family is english and scottish - he has zero roots in kiwi land.. Its just that one ofd his family members was born there.. 

You dont choose who you can support internationally..

And know that he has moved to spain he supports them... What a shocker they have won the last 3 events

I have a Spanish wife and live in Spain. Spain and NZ don't mix worlds in football often (sadly they did once in the Confederations Cup and they lost 5-0 and it was embarrassing hearing the commentary team laughing. Sadly there is no coverage of NZ beating Spain 55-0 in the sevens in Wellington).

Why are you so bent out of shape about who I support. I lived in France when they won the 98 World Cup and celebrated that with friends. Why wouldn't I? The victory was not mine, just as the Spanish team had no connection to it, but I had a lot of fun celebrating with friends and my wife and reminding them that NZ were the true champions as they were the only unbeaten team in the tournament.  

He said lived there briefly. One of my best friend was born in America and lived briefly in Naples and Scotland. She's English not Italian or American or Scottish.

You are a glory hunter Kia. Its that simple dude. There is nothing to be bent out of shape about. Its just what you are. You enjoy supporting winners..Just deal with it and admit it and move on.

I personally cant understand the attitude but fair enough.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I lived in London and lived in Scotland briefly as a kid. I have fond memories of my time in the UK. When you wander the globe, it's difficult to retain a sense of identity but your roots always remain strong. My experience is that there is no such thing as the perfect place. Every place has its advantages and disadvantages and you have to make the most of what a place has to offer and if you are incapable of doing that, then it's time to move on. The problem is though once you have experienced different ways of living, wanderlust sets in and it makes it difficult to remain in one spot for long. That said, it's nice to settle down and call somewhere home. I could point out many things I don't like about Spain but there are also many appealing aspects about the country in which I reside and I prefer to make the most of those. I'm off for a siesta...

Just to clear it up oakey I should've put a comma after London. I lived in London in 2005 before coming to Spain. I lived in Scotland when I was three. I was born in Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand. If you want to know who my first kiss was I would be happy to send you a private message.   

kia, next you're going to say you didn't score the winning try or goal in any of those games

Yes I enjoy supporting the All Blacks. It's tough being at the top.   

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.

Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.

Well then Kia you are scottish..

BUt every single one of them has know disowned you because you said you supported England at football untill you moved to spain and then supported them..

...he is clearly a New Zealander, Mysti. And living in Spain I can't see how you'd deny him the right to support the country he's living in. Familiarity breeds understanding and love and he will be exposed to Spanish football constantly. And his wife is Spanish. In neutral encounters I'll support Ireland at rugby purely because my girlfriend is half Irish. She is also half Spanish, but as I have no interest in football that doesn't really affect me. If Spain were in a rugby tournament I'd support them as a second team as well, just like I support Canada

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Yes I enjoy supporting the All Blacks. It's tough being at the top.   

At that altitude you can get a nosebleed

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.

Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.

I'm not taking offence. There are unlikable players in all teams in all sports (just like with the fans) but I don't think it stops you supporting the side and your nation.

Did you stop supporting Ireland when O'Gara played? He's hardly the most likable chap is he?

oakey

thats a bit loco.

My boy is a boer. Who does he and who will he support? The boks no matter who I am. Hopfully he will have a soft spot for Scotland and the Lions but he's a boer whether I like it or not.

Most Kiwi's of European origin that I know/have known have at least 1 UK born grandparent. Nothing unusual about that.

He can support both Spain and New Zealand in football, and it's clear from what he said earlier that when the two played each other he supported New Zealand...

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Everton were my team ebop!

Boom!!  

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.

Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.

The English Football team are a sack of worthless, gutless, passionateless, diving, over ego'd a$$h&£$s!!

ChequeredJersey wrote:...he is clearly a New Zealander, Mysti. And living in Spain I can't see how you'd deny him the right to support the country he's living in. Familiarity breeds understanding and love and he will be exposed to Spanish football constantly. And his wife is Spanish. In neutral encounters I'll support Ireland at rugby purely because my girlfriend is half Irish. She is also half Spanish, but as I have no interest in football that doesn't really affect me. If Spain were in a rugby tournament I'd support them as a second team as well, just like I support Canada

he has almost zero connection with kiwi land mate.

he lived there for 3 years, his parents are Scottish and English. sorry mate.. if someone like that played for kiwi land over Scotland.. I wouldn't be happy as a scotsman.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.

Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.

I'm not taking offence. There are unlikable players in all teams in all sports (just like with the fans) but I don't think it stops you supporting the side and your nation.

Did you stop supporting Ireland when O'Gara played? He's hardly the most likable chap is he?

Thats a pretty funny come back. At times supporting O'Gara became a challenge thats for sure. Particularly when he insinuated that he preferred playing for Munster over Ireland etc.

I quite like him now that he has retired.

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.

Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.

I'm not taking offence. There are unlikable players in all teams in all sports (just like with the fans) but I don't think it stops you supporting the side and your nation.

Did you stop supporting Ireland when O'Gara played? He's hardly the most likable chap is he?

Thats a pretty funny come back. At times supporting O'Gara became a challenge thats for sure. Particularly when he insinuated that he preferred playing for Munster over Ireland etc.

I quite like him now that he has retired.

  Fair play!

Ok I thought I made it clear but obviously you need pictures and I'm not very good at drawing.    

It's Friday. Loosen up mate. I say support football and maybe you have in my mind dressed in a St George Flag shouting Engerland. In a World Cup, if someone had a gun pointed to my head asking me who I want to win, I would say England. That's not the same support as I have for NZ. Which is not the same level of support I have for Scotland. Different athletic supporters for different packages.   

I thought most people liked ROG?

mystiroakey wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:...he is clearly a New Zealander, Mysti. And living in Spain I can't see how you'd deny him the right to support the country he's living in. Familiarity breeds understanding and love and he will be exposed to Spanish football constantly. And his wife is Spanish. In neutral encounters I'll support Ireland at rugby purely because my girlfriend is half Irish. She is also half Spanish, but as I have no interest in football that doesn't really affect me. If Spain were in a rugby tournament I'd support them as a second team as well, just like I support Canada

he has almost zero connection with kiwi land mate.

he lived there for 3 years, his parents are Scottish and English. sorry mate.. if someone like that played for kiwi land over Scotland.. I wouldn't be happy as a scotsman.

  It's just as well you were born in England mate. If you had to sit the English language test they wouldn't let you in!

fa0019 wrote:oakey

thats a bit loco.

My boy is a boer. Who does he and who will he support? The boks no matter who I am. Hopfully he will have a soft spot for Scotland and the Lions but he's a boer whether I like it or not.

Most Kiwi's of European origin that I know/have known have at least 1 UK born grandparent. Nothing unusual about that.

he has 4 UK grandparents(two scots and and two english) and lived in scotland since he was 3

for me the most important thing is residency.

Lets imagine Kia was a high quality Rugby star..

In your mind who should he play for?

Whoever the :cuss he likes and qualifies for.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Ok I thought I made it clear but obviously you need pictures and I'm not very good at drawing.    

It's Friday. Loosen up mate. I say support football and maybe you have in my mind dressed in a St George Flag shouting Engerland. In a World Cup, if someone had a gun pointed to my head asking me who I want to win, I would say England. That's not the same support as I have for NZ. Which is not the same level of support I have for Scotland. Different athletic supporters for different packages.   

No No No . you cannot support england at football. You are a scot. You have to support Scotland. Infact its in your make up to hate England.

whoever pays the most

New Zealand, followed by Fiji, Scotland, England or Spain...

rodders wrote:I thought most people liked ROG?

No just people from Kark

Born in NZ mate, he's a kiwi

mystiroakey wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:...he is clearly a New Zealander, Mysti. And living in Spain I can't see how you'd deny him the right to support the country he's living in. Familiarity breeds understanding and love and he will be exposed to Spanish football constantly. And his wife is Spanish. In neutral encounters I'll support Ireland at rugby purely because my girlfriend is half Irish. She is also half Spanish, but as I have no interest in football that doesn't really affect me. If Spain were in a rugby tournament I'd support them as a second team as well, just like I support Canada

he has almost zero connection with kiwi land mate.

he lived there for 3 years, his parents are Scottish and English. sorry mate.. if someone like that played for kiwi land over Scotland.. I wouldn't be happy as a scotsman.

His mother is a New Zealander, he was born in New Zealand and he doesn't ever say he lived in Scotland since he was 3. He lived there, BRIEFLY, WHEN he was 3. He specifically states he also lived in Fiji as a kid and spent most of his childhood in New Zealand. He is, aside from his Father being Scottish, clearly NOT Scottish.

Anyway the only person who can tell you what nationality he is, aside from his passport by which he is both Britisj and a Kiwi, not an unusual combination, is HIM as nationality is all about what country you feel connected to. I don't understand how you are failing to get this...

mystiroakey wrote:

fa0019 wrote:oakey

thats a bit loco.

My boy is a boer. Who does he and who will he support? The boks no matter who I am. Hopfully he will have a soft spot for Scotland and the Lions but he's a boer whether I like it or not.

Most Kiwi's of European origin that I know/have known have at least 1 UK born grandparent. Nothing unusual about that.

he has 4 UK grandparents(two scots and and two english) and lived in scotland since he was 3

for me the most important thing is residency.

Lets imagine Kia was a high quality Rugby star..

In your mind who should he play for?

The bit in bold is clearly not the case and I don't understand how you could have come to that conclusion...

mystiroakey wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Ok I thought I made it clear but obviously you need pictures and I'm not very good at drawing.    

It's Friday. Loosen up mate. I say support football and maybe you have in my mind dressed in a St George Flag shouting Engerland. In a World Cup, if someone had a gun pointed to my head asking me who I want to win, I would say England. That's not the same support as I have for NZ. Which is not the same level of support I have for Scotland. Different athletic supporters for different packages.   

No No No . you cannot support england at football. You are a scot. You have to support Scotland. Infact its in your make up to hate England.

You've opened my eyes oakey. I will become the new improved GE. He's far too conciliatory towards England.

Golly gosh, this is embarrassing

ebop wrote:Born in NZ mate, he's a kiwi

I dont buy all that birth stuff. Its immaterial. Its where you are raised and learnt your trade. I can just about understand it if your parents are also from that birth place,. But in this case they wernt.

Obviously I am not talking about Kia specifically here. This goes deeper and about why players should play for certain nations.. Kia is a fan like the rest of us, he does have the right to support anyone he wants..

But there is an issue that comes up all the times about players choosing certain countries. And that to me is an important talking point.

rodders wrote:I thought most people liked ROG?

Until he delivers, personally, one Lions Tour, then no

ChequeredJersey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

fa0019 wrote:oakey

thats a bit loco.

My boy is a boer. Who does he and who will he support? The boks no matter who I am. Hopfully he will have a soft spot for Scotland and the Lions but he's a boer whether I like it or not.

Most Kiwi's of European origin that I know/have known have at least 1 UK born grandparent. Nothing unusual about that.

he has 4 UK grandparents(two scots and and two english) and lived in scotland since he was 3

for me the most important thing is residency.

Lets imagine Kia was a high quality Rugby star..

In your mind who should he play for?

The bit in bold is clearly not the case and I don't understand how you could have come to that conclusion...

because he said so

Scratch you talk about England fans talking up a grand slam on v2 before last week, could you please name a few as I haven't seen any.

mystiroakey wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

fa0019 wrote:oakey

thats a bit loco.

My boy is a boer. Who does he and who will he support? The boks no matter who I am. Hopfully he will have a soft spot for Scotland and the Lions but he's a boer whether I like it or not.

Most Kiwi's of European origin that I know/have known have at least 1 UK born grandparent. Nothing unusual about that.

he has 4 UK grandparents(two scots and and two english) and lived in scotland since he was 3

for me the most important thing is residency.

Lets imagine Kia was a high quality Rugby star..

In your mind who should he play for?

The bit in bold is clearly not the case and I don't understand how you could have come to that conclusion...

because he said so

Where? Quote where he says that and I'll explain why what you've comprehended is not correct

Just started a thread oakey. https://www.606v2.com/t51711-why-would-anyone-support-england Be quick to comment because it won't be there long.

Oakey

literally who cares. Every family is different and without wanting to go into anyone's life here its up to them who they support.
I should be supporting the boks by your theory by now.... yet in 50 years time I will still be the same as I am I can tell you that now, a brit (as long as I'm still welcome ).

fa0019 wrote:Oakey

literally who cares. Every family is different and without wanting to go into anyone's life here its up to them who they support.
I should be supporting the boks by your theory by now.... yet in 50 years time I will still be the same as I am I can tell you that now, a brit (as long as I'm still welcome ).

when did you move to bok land..How long have you lived there? since what age?



anyway as pointed out this is more about if we were pro athletes... and had to chose at that point.

I am so boring as I am 100% English 

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Just started a thread oakey. https://www.606v2.com/t51711-why-would-anyone-support-england Be quick to comment because it won't be there long.

Already posted.

Cyril wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:Robshaw's comments about a "backlash" from England smack of desperation and arrogance to me.

Let's face facts, England have faded in their last two matches. Nay, disintegrated. The bench has proven to be lightweight and ineffective. They've had no game plan to close out a narrow lead and deserved to lose with such lack of composure.

England should worry about getting their house in order and finding the way to the white paint again rather than conjuring some delusion of being hard done by.

Unfortunately from what I've seen recently at twickenham, the lack of level playing field available to visitors is likely to make Scotland's talent deficit too hard to overcome in the land where special rules apparently apply.

The game is at Murrayfield.

Re. the above, you shouldn't get so agitated by media articles or player soundbites. Same as I shouldn't get so agitated by your jibber jabber

Hes also got Twickers mixed up with Lords

He also got Lords mixed up with Lorde.

Traci Lords?

Wow that escalated quickly ....

as an adult Oakey. No ties to the country from my own family.

You can't determine where your heart lies. It decides for itself. I myself don't care who supports who... but once you pick a side, you pick them for life, in good and bad.

Mystir, you are 100% allowed to support England. That is in all sports categories to