Can Lancaster's England survive a second loss?

by GloriousEmpire Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:27 am

First topic message reminder :

With England 0/1 and still with their nemesis Wales and the resurgent Ireland to face, it's worth thinking about where that leaves England.

Losing again will threaten their 4th placing. Lancaster has staked his reputation on being the second best team in the world by the end of the season. That would see him needing a series clean sweep in NZ to reach his self imposed objective.

With the scrum and lineout both looking less than stable, and questions around the effectiveness of his Backline the saviour of English rugby could be in a tricky spot should he lose either of those encounters.

It's unlikely that Scotland have the players to upset this England squad, but should they do so in one of those freak Scottish upset victories that have become prominent of late, could we hypothetically be looking at a New England coach before the World Cup? Following an historic 6N wooden spoon?

We know that England are a team that play on confidence, and that adversity easily rattles the side and brings them under the scrutiny of Britain's vicious tabloid assault. Just look at the collapse of the celebrated England cricket team. How far away is something similar for the chariot?

by quinsforever Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:01 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Another English rugby article from GE........obsessive comes to mind.

Why don't you go and bother some of the other nations supporters?

Because half the board got exiled when he went after Wales

brilliant. Saint must have gone bananas

by ChequeredJersey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:02 pm

I wonder what would happen if Mysti and BogBrush (or is it Barrystar? can't remember) met up...

by quinsforever Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:03 pm

kingjohn7 wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Are we on a tight leash...

Maybe we should be able to opt into an anything goes thread that is blocked to the wider internet audience!!
sorry pal, hadnt read your post before i posted.

dare i say it but...

great minds think alike

Am I imagining it or was someone accusing you 2 of being the same person a few months ago? Im not at all by the way, just thought it would be funny if they read that.

yes, was the tiresome casartelli. he's sulking at the moment though so wont get to enjoy it.

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:03 pm

fa0019 wrote:as an adult Oakey. No ties to the country from my own family.

You can't determine where your heart lies. It decides for itself. I myself don't care who supports who... but once you pick a side, you pick them for life, in good and bad.

If you moved there as an adult why do you think by my rationale you should support the boks?

No you should support the team you allways have done.

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:04 pm

ebop wrote:Mystir, you are 100% allowed to support England. That is in all sports categories to

No its the only team i can support

by Guest Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:07 pm

Same same ain't it?

by quinsforever Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:08 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.
Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.
I'm not taking offence. There are unlikable players in all teams in all sports (just like with the fans) but I don't think it stops you supporting the side and your nation.

Did you stop supporting Ireland when O'Gara played? He's hardly the most likable chap is he?

Thats a pretty funny come back. At times supporting O'Gara became a challenge thats for sure. Particularly when he insinuated that he preferred playing for Munster over Ireland etc.

I quite like him now that he has retired.

for you guns, my favourite RoG video segment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEWoYSjKAEA

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:10 pm

ebop wrote:Same same ain't it?

?

by ChequeredJersey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:10 pm

ROG, teaching Sexton all he knows about sulking Wink

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:10 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I wonder what would happen if Mysti and BogBrush (or is it Barrystar? can't remember) met up...

what the dude on the tennis forum.

been there- it wasn't pretty

by quinsforever Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:12 pm

Scratch wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
dragonbreath wrote:
quinsforever wrote:scratch - the wales 9 and 10 are so bad, slow and poor decision makers relative to 12-14 (i dont share your view on 1/2P's preeminence), that i dont think it matters how good your 12-14 are in a vacuum.

against decent sides backs cant go forwards when going backwards...SA, Aus, Japan

so if your platform in the pack wobbles, and 9/10 is an unimaginative weak link, then who cares about your 12-14. although Roberts and North are really great i agree.

dont share your view on 1/2P's preeminence)

It takes a lot of confidence (or ignorance) to disagree with pretty much every person adjudicating Halfpenny's ability. Six Nations Player of the Tournament, Lions Player of the Tour, 2nd in World Player of the year. Did anyone ask you to sit on those panels? Thought not. The expression know nothing Richard head springs to mind. Yes I know you are entitled to your opinion but that does mean its worth the time spent typing it

scratch said he was the best FB in world rugby. i said i disagree. you said he was 6N POTY, Lions POTY, and 2nd in POTY (along with Etzebeth, Parisse and Smith, none of whom play 15).

can you honestly not see how i can agree with the awards he was given and still disagree with Scratch?

do i have to spell it out?

Please, for me

i think there are better 15s in the SH.

by gregortree Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:14 pm

Dragging this fascinating chit chat back onto the OP.

A: yes
Rider: it ain't going to happen this Saturday

by ChequeredJersey Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:16 pm

gregortree wrote:Dragging this fascinating chit chat back onto the OP.

A: yes
Rider: it ain't going to happen this Saturday

Absolutely. If we lose this Saturday, that might be harder to survive

by GunsGerms Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:37 pm

quinsforever wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEWoYSjKAEA

Thats funny. I was like that as a player (out half) too. Very niggly.

by gregortree Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:49 pm

Getting snarled at by ROG:
Is that like 'savaged by a dead sheep'.

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:08 pm

So just to recap. I was born on 2 August 1932 although my birthplace is under question. I attended the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and began working in the theatre, gaining recognition as a Shakespearean actor at the Bristol Old Vic and with the English Stage Company, before making my film debut in 1959. Who am I?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:14 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:So just to recap. I was born on 2 August 1932 although my birthplace is under question. I attended the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and began working in the theatre, gaining recognition as a Shakespearean actor at the Bristol Old Vic and with the English Stage Company, before making my film debut in 1959. Who am I?

English

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:17 pm

I'm Pete O'Toole. Because I said so...

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:18 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I'm Peter O'Toole. Because I said so...

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:24 pm

Talking about glory hunters. Where is emack anyway?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:24 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I'm Pete O'Toole. Because I said so...

"Hi Im Plenty"
"But of course you are"
"Plenty O'Toole"
"Named after your father perhaps?"

by ME-109 Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:25 pm

quinsforever wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Why would anyone want to support England in football? Even English people.
Since when did choosing which nation you support become an option?

What are you saying you are stuck with supporting England? Im only joking Cyril. My point is that some of the England footballers arent particularly amicable people. Dont take offense.
I'm not taking offence. There are unlikable players in all teams in all sports (just like with the fans) but I don't think it stops you supporting the side and your nation.

Did you stop supporting Ireland when O'Gara played? He's hardly the most likable chap is he?

Thats a pretty funny come back. At times supporting O'Gara became a challenge thats for sure. Particularly when he insinuated that he preferred playing for Munster over Ireland etc.

I quite like him now that he has retired.
for you guns, my favourite RoG video segment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEWoYSjKAEA

Guns...show me where ROG ever said or insinuated that he preferred playing for Munster over Ireland and I will agree with everything you say for a week....

Oh and here are some nice little cameos from the sheep...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUQ9qO4tHgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFJ65Og3A2o

I especially enjoy this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NcPS16HGGY

by GunsGerms Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:28 pm

Do you not remember it? It was in an interview after the New Zealand november international in around 2008. Ask Siné will remember it and has clips of everything.

Sure you agree with me on everything as is.

by GunsGerms Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:29 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I'm Pete O'Toole. Because I said so...

"Hi Im Plenty"
"But of course you are"
"Plenty O'Toole"
"Named after your father perhaps?"

My name is Miles O'Toole. Coincidence.

by GunsGerms Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:29 pm

Actually its not really.

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:30 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Talking about glory hunters. Where is emack anyway?

Because he's an Anglo Scot he's torn between loving or hating himself.

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:32 pm

Back to the thread that got deleted.... For literally no reason whatsoever I may add.

Why would someone support England?

It is interesting.

There is a fellow poster on the golf and footy forums. He is as English as they come but doesn't support the English team. And in fact he supports every other team that plays england in most sports.

He has mentioned that he will be supporting uraguay in the WC this year because he likes Suarez.

His reasoning behind hating England is because one of our players has been racist, cheat and is an oaf

Work that one out!

by GunsGerms Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:34 pm

Is he a Chelsea player?

by Guest Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:35 pm

What's a glory hunter mysti, is that a 2003 phenomenon?

by ChequeredJersey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:36 pm

Are you sure they aren't a WUM?

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:37 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Back to the thread that got deleted.... For literally no reason whatsoever I may add.

Why would someone support England?

It is interesting.

There is a fellow poster on the golf and footy forums. He is as English as they come but doesn't support the English team. And in fact he supports every other team that plays england in most sports.

He has mentioned that he will be supporting uraguay in the WC this year because he likes Suarez.

His reasoning behind hating England is because one of our players has been racist, cheat and is an oaf

Work that one out!

I agree. Crazy! Just the one player?

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:38 pm

ebop wrote:What's a glory hunter mysti, is that a 2003 phenomenon?

?

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:38 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Back to the thread that got deleted.... For literally no reason whatsoever I may add.

Why would someone support England?

It is interesting.

There is a fellow poster on the golf and footy forums. He is as English as they come but doesn't support the English team. And in fact he supports every other team that plays england in most sports.

He has mentioned that he will be supporting uraguay in the WC this year because he likes Suarez.

His reasoning behind hating England is because one of our players has been racist, cheat and is an oaf

Work that one out!

I agree. Crazy! Just the one player?

well the irony is that Suarez has been accused of all and much worse..

by Guest Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:39 pm

I agree, I should go to bed

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:41 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Are you sure they aren't a WUM?

Nope just one of them embarrassed Englanders , that doesn't expect the same level of behaviour from foreigners.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:41 pm

Is it inherently racist to support just one nation?

by Guest Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:43 pm

But you 'have' to pick one, just one

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:44 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Is it inherently racist to support just one nation?

No, but then the majority do admire and support people and teams from other nations.

But the reality is you should not get to choose your first team..

I mean jeas I even support wales in the Rugby most of the time!!

This forum has made me think twice though

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:44 pm

Unless its Ireland in which case its kinda 2 really

by Guest Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:52 pm

fa0019 wrote:You can't determine where your heart lies. It decides for itself. I myself don't care who supports who... but once you pick a side, you pick them for life, in good and bad.

This!!

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:53 pm

ebop wrote:
fa0019 wrote:You can't determine where your heart lies. It decides for itself. I myself don't care who supports who... but once you pick a side, you pick them for life, in good and bad.

This!!

so you agree that Kia's way of deciding which teams he supports isnt the way you would do it

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:53 pm

ebop wrote:
fa0019 wrote:You can't determine where your heart lies. It decides for itself. I myself don't care who supports who... but once you pick a side, you pick them for life, in good and bad.

This!!

The Scotlands wouldnt have any players if that were the case!

by kiakahaaotearoa Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:55 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Is it inherently racist to support just one nation?

No, but then the majority do admire and support people and teams from other nations.

But the reality is you should not get to choose your first team..

I mean jeas I even support wales in the Rugby most of the time!!

This forum has made me think twice though

Thinking two times is a good start. I'm proud of you mate. clap

by mystiroakey Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:57 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Is it inherently racist to support just one nation?

No, but then the majority do admire and support people and teams from other nations.

But the reality is you should not get to choose your first team..

I mean jeas I even support wales in the Rugby most of the time!!

This forum has made me think twice though

Thinking two times is a good start. I'm proud of you mate.

Do you know what maybe I should think 3 times or 4 times.. I may go from supporting scotland to england to kiwiland to spain.

Will that make you even more prouder?

by ChequeredJersey Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:00 am

:Picard:

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:01 am

3rd time unlucky. Sad

It gets easier once you get the hang of it. Don't despair. It's like changing countries and preferences in sports that don't conflict with those of your native country.

by mystiroakey Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:04 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:3rd time unlucky.

It gets easier once you get the hang of it. Don't despair. It's like changing countries and preferences in sports that don't conflict with those of your native country.

NZ are in the WC.

in fact they were the only unbeaten team last time around!

I am going to be honest with you - but dont tell anyone.

I like arsernal and want them to win the PL..

even though I support palace in the PL.. But off course they cant win..

by GunsGerms Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:04 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Unless its Ireland in which case its kinda 2 really

Not in football though. In rugby it might as well be three as Munster people are a different breed. Or half breed to be precise.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:10 am

Step closer to the light oakey. You're almost there. Hug

(NZ's pool group was Paraguay, Slovakia and Italy. No conflict and thankfully no match against Spain. That would've been embarrassing).

by mystiroakey Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:12 am

so its kiwiland then spain !!

You said you supported England 15 mins ago... Shocked

make up your mind dude..

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