Can Lancaster's England survive a second loss?

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With England 0/1 and still with their nemesis Wales and the resurgent Ireland to face, it's worth thinking about where that leaves England.

Losing again will threaten their 4th placing. Lancaster has staked his reputation on being the second best team in the world by the end of the season. That would see him needing a series clean sweep in NZ to reach his self imposed objective.

With the scrum and lineout both looking less than stable, and questions around the effectiveness of his Backline the saviour of English rugby could be in a tricky spot should he lose either of those encounters.

It's unlikely that Scotland have the players to upset this England squad, but should they do so in one of those freak Scottish upset victories that have become prominent of late, could we hypothetically be looking at a New England coach before the World Cup? Following an historic 6N wooden spoon?

We know that England are a team that play on confidence, and that adversity easily rattles the side and brings them under the scrutiny of Britain's vicious tabloid assault. Just look at the collapse of the celebrated England cricket team. How far away is something similar for the chariot?

SecretFly wrote:

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I always thought Dave was a keep fit instructor?  Must be a different Dave...or whatever name I remember him as.

I love powerlifting but as all sensible people I keep what I love as my hobby never my job.

But did you not also coach a bit?  Or do I still have the wrong Dave?

we'll off the mark, I played but never been a coach.

are you really talking about cricket on a rugby thread?

wash your mouth out with soap and water

Oops did I post on the wrong thread again?

Is there a name for it in cricket when the entire Indian team score less than a single NZ batsman?

Oh my god- how the heck have you done that.

300 odd lead run after the first innings!!

Kind of nice to see another top side have a melt down,,, It can deflect England's troubles.

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I have never been career minded, I earn money to pay my way have some nice things,
Never wanted to be one of those "I am my job" type of stress heads.

Are you a roofer Dave?

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:I have never been career minded, I earn money to pay my way have some nice things,
Never wanted to be one of those "I am my job" type of stress heads.

I always worry about retirement day for those kind of people.

Nest egg

mystiroakey wrote:Are you a roofer Dave?

Dave, do you maintain semi-sentient central computers on space stations, dave?

mystiroakey wrote:Are you a roofer Dave?

my brother is but hey we are entering enough personal information floating around a public forum territory now.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Are you a roofer Dave?

Dave, do you maintain semi-sentient central computers on space stations, dave?

  only on Tuesdays

Well you started it mate.. The weather stops you working- you are a tradesman- you told us this!

GloriousEmpire wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Are you a roofer Dave?

Dave, do you maintain semi-sentient central computers on space stations, dave?

I've just always sensed that Dave was someone else before he was Dave. Someone left in a rush one time, no explanations.... never came back...but Dave arrived pretty soon after his departure. Maybe a clone from that very space station.

Reminds me of the film Moon.

How good was that

Yes the weather does stop play sometimes, you calmed down now misteroakey? You wouldn't let Kia support his favourite teams

mystiroakey wrote:Oh my god- how the heck have you done that.

300 odd lead run after the first innings!!

Kind of nice to see another top side have a melt down,,, It can deflect England's troubles.

Can it? How so?

NZ should have made them follow on. They're giving India a leg up here.

I was viewtothegym but requested my account deleted due to some posters just really getting up my nose,

Then the BOD lions thing happens I had to come back.

Well in fairness NZ has us by the short and curlys in the last series but England held out!!

I cannot believe they didnt follow on in this game. Shocking

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:I was viewtothegym but requested my account deleted due to some posters just really getting up my nose,

Then the BOD lions thing happens I had to come back.

Right!!!!

Hi View.

I hate it when I think I am speaking to someone different. Not on Davy!! tut tut

Yeah - I said the same thing over on the cricket forum. NZ have just ceded their advantage as the wickets tumble.

It could've been India 9/2 but now it's NZ and the 10 wicket 300 run advantage is an 8 wicket 300 run advantage. Unless they've lost two more whilst I was typing.

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Yes the weather does stop play sometimes, you calmed down now misteroakey? You wouldn't let Kia support his favourite teams

He can support who he wants.

He doesn't have to listen to my ramblings anyway!

mystiroakey wrote:Reminds me of the film Moon.

How good was that

I watched Oblivion yesterday. I was surprised that I actually enjoyed it. Considering it had both tom cruise, several thousand copies thereof and plot holes bigger than the gaps Ireland found in the Scottish defence.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Reminds me of the film Moon.

How good was that

I watched Oblivion yesterday. I was surprised that I actually enjoyed it. Considering it had both tom cruise, several thousand copies thereof and plot holes bigger than the gaps Ireland found in the Scottish defence.

Yeah it was pretty decent actually. I enjoyed it. I didn't expect to either

11/3

Suddenly being on a remote island with no way of hearing news of the outside world of sport seems INVITING.

11/3

oh my god

i have to stick this game on

/4 now. Crikey jivens help me bob. The world has turned and reality has resumed.

What was in that Indian huddle? And can we get some please?

Bad news guys.

Wales leading Tonga 19-12 in the 7s and they just held up a fierce looking Tongan bloke in the in-goal area... less than a minute to go.

I wish all this sport would stop so I could go to sleep.

GloriousEmpire wrote:/4 now. Crikey jivens help me bob. The world has turned and reality has resumed.

What was in that Indian huddle? And can we get some please?

You need the Hakka..

According to the IRB sevens site Wales have impressively beaten both tonga and Samoa in the same match.

Is the 7's not on uk tv?

It's on sky.

Not on mine

Ah perhaps live on sky only on the web? If you go to the IRB sevens page and click the "watch live on sky" adlink it opens on sky go... From where I am anyways.

Is it on at the moment.

I have virgin- it seems to come on at 5:30 in the morning

Breaking news. NZ have scored three runs without losing a wicket. A second innings record.

mystiroakey wrote:Is it on at the moment.

I have virgin- it seems to come on at 5:30 in the morning

You know, I swear I followed a link from IRB sevens 20
Minutes ago, buggered if I can find it now. Perhaps I was mistaken. The link is still there under "live coverage" as a pop up add that says "watch live on sky" but this now takes me now where. And as you say, Sky sports 3 coverage is scheduled to start at 5.30; maybe I for into the highlights by accident.

Question: Can Lancaster's England survive a second loss?
Answer: Not if doesn't have Sky Sports?

GloriousEmpire wrote:According to the IRB sevens site Wales have impressively beaten both tonga and Samoa in the same match.

You mean they played New Zealand or England? (delete as appropriate according to who you are trying to score cheap points over)

GEs interest in cricket picked up about the time England lost some games and New Zealand won some. As Mystri would say, hes a glory hunter. He probably moved here in 2004.

Oh they got bowled out for 105 in the second innings and look well on course to do an Ireland blowing a winning position in spectaclar style

WTF is going on with English strip designers? You guys have some whacky kits it has to be said.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:GEs interest in cricket picked up about the time England lost some games and New Zealand won some. As Mystri would say, hes a glory hunter. He probably moved here in 2004.

Oh they got bowled out for 105 in the second innings and look well on course to do an Ireland blowing a winning position in spectaclar style

Dude, as I've said this is a rugby forum. Who cares about cricket anyway? It's a daft game. And probably rigged. Better spending your time watching the sevens, which NZ won, 21-0. Did you see it? No tries conceded on day two. Astonishing.

And in the game before that one the ABs flogged England 31 nil.

ebop wrote:WTF is going on with English strip designers? You guys have some whacky kits it has to be said.

My daughter relies to your comment by saying "there is only so much one can do with basic white". I think she is right. Especially since the RFU wants to keep selling more and more stuff each year. So the changes can get fairly bizarre.

aucklandlaurie wrote:
And in the game before that one the ABs flogged England 31 nil.

I wasn't going to mention it incase someone thought it was anti-English.

Right I'm off to remote isolation.

Good luck with the 6N everyone. May your teams live up to your expectations, whatever they are!

GloriousEmpire wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:
And in the game before that one the ABs flogged England 31 nil.

I wasn't going to mention it incase someone thought it was anti-English.

Right I'm off to remote isolation.

Good luck with the 6N everyone. May your teams live up to your expectations, whatever they are!

Slow ball, ponderous rucking, a faltering set-piece with endless re-sets at the scrum and porridge-stodge inertia in the backs...I'm pretty confident.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:
And in the game before that one the ABs flogged England 31 nil.

I wasn't going to mention it incase someone thought it was anti-English.

Right I'm off to remote isolation.

Good luck with the 6N everyone. May your teams live up to your expectations, whatever they are!

good lad GE.

have a good one.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Are you a roofer Dave?

Dave, do you maintain semi-sentient central computers on space stations, dave?

   

well-

we are still showing an upward curve- so i Think its pretty much set in stone that SL will carry us through to the RWC.

He is a progressive learning manager.

Maybe not the best ion the world. But there are more pluses than negatives and they inst another man that deserves it over him.

So yeah well / end of this debate

What happens if they lose the next two games?