Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Duty281]

First topic message reminder :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/269695.stm

And Hoddle's ex girlfriend was this faith healer's daughter...isn't love sweet?

[Ent]

Moyes just baffles me beyond belief.

£37 million playmaker, put on the wing and completely ineffective.

Need goals so he puts our top scorer in centre midfield.

Plays Valencia at right back when he is clueless there, of course fulham got in down his side- lets it happen every time he plays there.

Please just go now moyes.

[owen10ozzy]

Pullis did well...as well as Moyes...not a chance:

Pullis spent almost £103 million between 2006-2011 and brought just over £13 million back in through sales ...in comparison Moyes spent £81 million...and recouped £85 million!!

I would hazard a guess that Allardyce also spent more and recouped less during his time at Bolton.

Moyes essentially built a club from a relegation scrapping team to a not just a mid table team but a Champions League chasing team and he did so whilst adding stability financially and continuously having to rebuild when his best players were inevitably sold on!

[Ent]

Owen, Everton are a big club. Stoke most definitely are not and have been established in the pl now.

Anyway doesn't matter what he did at Everton, he has been beyond poor at united.

[owen10ozzy]

That warrants switching off for the second half of the season? .... The guy hasn't put a shift in for about 8 weeks now; people always seem to overlook the fact that Rooney is your definition of a 'patchy world class player'...he goes through peaks & troughs like there's no tomorrow.

I get what you mean but if that's the reason that Utd are not in a relegation fight then how does Ferguson get so much credit for the title win last year? Was it him getting the best out of an average squad...no...it was because Van Persie had a World Class season...take him away and Utd would have been 3/4th at best!

lets say rooney has won them 10 pts(that is a very prudent estimate)

Ok they may not be in the relegation battle - but that would put them only just above it


and owen his form only dipped once he came back from injury.. so i think my original comment was unfair.

the problem could also be that mata and rooney are trying to occupy the same space.

I completely get where your coming from Myri; my point is that surely if Utd fans are quick to point out that Rooney has saved their season from being worse then they must accept that Van Persie did the same last year...instead many believe Ferguson was a god who pulled every inch out of the players there...in my opinion that wasn't the case. The likes of Evra & Vidic showed they were regressing last year ...add another year to their bodies and they are bound to be worse...Young was just as poor last season...he hasn't suddenly gone crap under Moyes.

Yes Ferguson was a legend and yes he often got the best out of squad players but he also had his fair share of crock. This a Utd team which hasn't been shaped for nigh on 4 years...the old guard were going stale and have now finally gone off. Fergie had the sense to walk before it happened...Moyes is left with the remains. Now he certainly is making mistakes here and there (Playing Young time and again one of them) but ultimately I think the blame lies with many of the players who don't seem to want to be there.

Regards Rooney...I could buy into that excuse if he hadn't done the exact same thing for the majority of the last 5 years. He has often had great starts to the season or November-January purple patches...then goes missing for a couple of months before hitting a bit of form towards the end of the season. He's a great player...but his inconsistency stops him being this truly world class player people believe him to be.

[The Special Juan]

United should've hired Mourinho.

Only he and Guardiola are big enough to take on SAF's shadow

I think you're wrong. Mourinho's not a Utd manager and is a short term fix for a team with long term problems.

[Duty281]

Fergie could always come back...just until the end of the season.

[The Special Juan]

United should've hired Mourinho.

Only he and Guardiola are big enough to take on SAF's shadow

I think you're wrong.  Mourinho's not a Utd manager and is a short term fix for a team with long term problems.

Sorry, that sounds way more sassy than it was meant to. I meant to say "I disagree".

[owen10ozzy]

Owen, Everton are a big club. Stoke most definitely are not and have been established in the pl now.

Anyway doesn't matter what he did at Everton, he has been beyond poor at united.

Everton are big club in terms of history and supporters. They are not financially...and to argue any other way is to completely ignore the facts. His transfer dealings in terms of players sold & bought and prices of players prove that beyond a doubt. As I have already proven...Stoke spent more in the last 6 years than Moyes did at Everton...I would hazard that's the case for at least 12 premier league clubs.

Even if he has been poor...does the same not apply for the players?! I expect far more from them than I do a manager....not only do they get paid a hell of a lot more they are also ultimately in control of what happens on the pitch. Players seem to get a free pass these days by both fans and the people at the top....to easy to just shove the blame onto a manager. You don't become a bad manager overnight. You can struggle to adapt to new surroundings but ultimately Moyes has enough about him to turn it around....he at least deserves a chance too. He inherited a squad on it's last legs except for 3/4 players and came at a time when Utd decided to reshuffle the board room and guys who oversee transfer dealings.

[Mike Selig]

Evening all. A few thought on this week-end's action.

I wouldn't be too quick to write off Arsenal just yet. Sure they were poor, really poor, but as I think mysti said this Liverpool team has some serious quality and can rip you apart when on song. I know that's 2 games they've been thrashed in now (although the Man City one could have been different) but I'm not convinced leagues are won by losing the big matches by fewer goals than your rivals.
As it is Arsenal are 1 point behind the leaders, and whilst I expect them to lose at Stamford Bridge, they have so far beaten the weaker sides with at least as much regularity than the 2 teams around them. If they continue to do so then I expect them to be right in the mix at the end of the season. Yes I know it's a big "if" but it's one game, it's not a poor sequence yet by any means.

What Arsenal will be concerned with is their defending from set pieces, which was dreadful. Those are the kind of goals you can easily concede against "lesser" sides as well.

Chelsea looked good, and Hazard a class apart. In fact Chelsea's first choice side is beginning to look very good indeed, and hopefully some of the football they are playing will eventually rub off on socal   ; in the meantime, one concern for me and I know this may sound strange is their strength in depth is not actually all that much. Luiz looked a good notch below the Cahill/Terry partnership, and whenever they pick a different from 3 to Hazard, Oscar and Willian they don't look the same team. Matic has given them another excellent option in centre midfield (Lampard can't play all the matches anymore), and it remains to be seen what Salah can do.

But give Chelsea a few of the injuries that Arsenal (say) have had, and I'm not sure how well they could cope.

As for Man City they've had a terrible week. When on song they can bully sides like very few teams in Europe can, but they do seem to be prone to poor matches in the way that Chelsea (and to a lesser extent Arsenal) don't. I actually think this ultimately may be their undoing.

Man Utd? Well I would almost feel sorry for them, but can't - too many years of hurt I'm afraid. I like David Moyes a lot, but the question is really how much patience people are willing to have. Fans should have realised that it would be a long term investment, and that at least a couple of years without really challenging may follow. I appreciate that in today's game, that may not be something Moyes can be afforded, but personally I'd want to see him see out the season at least. It's not as if bringing in a new manager will turn the season around now anyway - it's surely too far gone for that. No, give him the season, and see what comes of it.

Having said that, and whilst I understand him wanting to rest Januzaj in what should have been a winnable game without him, I doubt Mourinho would have waited 65 minutes to get his most creative player on.

Final couple of points:
- Wes Brown's challenge... what the hell was that?
- Nice to see the same condemnation of Wilshere's antics when Gerrard's shoulder connected nowhere near his face as there was for Chico Flores... what's that, hypocrisy? Particularly as this is the same "lad" Wilshere who made those moronic "we're English here, we tackle hard" comments...

[GSC]

At least in the short term he'd have taken the edge off replacing SAF and kept United competitive

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

[Guest]

I think the key for Moyes is trying to hold on to Rooney - but I think Rooney should go.  I think it will take Moyes 5 years to turn the present Man Utd around.  There was a Ferguson factor that galvanised the team but there are too many players that have reached their sell by date.  Ferguson had to ask scholes to come out of retirement and Giggs is in his forties.

Personally I have my doubts on the Glazers - didn't they get the club to buy itself by taking on debt and moving it onto the club.

[Bull]

Klopp would have been my choice as well.

[mystiroakey]

Dolph.

Should they have had to be holding on to a 1 goal lead at home v Fulham.

Rvp, rooney and Mata were tripping over each other whilst young was smashing balls into the box..

If you are going to play similar players you have to give them jobs..

its as if he gave all 3 free roles.

[The Special Juan]

I'm not prepared to have the "where did it all go wrong" conversation every match Utd lose so I'll save that for the end of the season.  All I can say, and I speak for myself only, is that I still 100% believe Moyes is the right man for the job.  Nothing's happened to change that.  This is all I'm saying - I'm getting bored of the death jibes every weekend.

[mystiroakey]

SPECIAL

Next week you are playing palace.

I will be in France. so I wont be on here- BUT.. When I get back I will not blame Moyes for your loss. I will Only praise Palace for the deserved win!!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Dolph.

Should they have had to be holding on to a 1 goal lead at home v Fulham.

Rvp, rooney and Mata were tripping over each other whilst young was smashing balls into the box..

If you are going to play similar players you have to give them jobs..

its as if he gave all 3 free roles.

So, every time a team doesnt win by more than 1 goal at the "top end" of clubs in the Premier League then its a failure? Fulham came to defend. We did it at Chelsea. Wheres the crisis calls there? United scored twice, they did a very good job of keeping going and not panicking. The problem was the reaction. They assumed they'd won because Fulham were so blunt. Rooney and RVP just had to see it out. Thats a massive mistake by two very good players that cant be ignored just because you don't like Moyes.

Its the very same way I saw Chelsea come at us. You have players like Rooney and Mata floating around a main striker. They move about to create. Oscar, Willian and Hazard did it against us.

[mystiroakey]

"So, every time a team doesnt win by more than 1 goal at the "top end" of clubs in the Premier League then its a failure?"


no 

"Thats a massive mistake by two very good players that cant be ignored just because you don't like Moyes. "


again  no. I dont dislike moyes. Disliking people is idiotic, Critically assessing them is very different

[Ent]

I never really wanted moyes but he has been beyond rubbish.

We've just no tempo to our game ever, he plays people out of position and he hasn't gotten much out of many players this season.

[NickisBHAFC]

Laughable some of these comments.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Laughable some of these comments.

Ladies and Gentleman, Miss Alanis Morissette

[GSC]

He said some, not all Dolph tbf

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

(Thanks for the setup)

[kingraf]

Seems like it's Champions League glory or bust for United. If they don't qualify for it, I don't think they can afford to sack Moyes in any case. After this year, his contract still has a £25m windfall, and with the new FairPlay regulations someday being fully applied, and at least £30m lost in Champs league revenue... I cant see you they can financially afford to let Moyes go.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Thing is if you sack Moyes, what happens if the new manager comes in and loses a few games in a row and things don't pick up? You've set yourselves a precident like Chelsea have done in the past, and you'll go through managers like there is no tomorrow.

If the board have suddenly lost all faith then get rid, but I doubt they'll have lost faith in six months.

[mystiroakey]

Chelsea sack managers that have performed that's the difference..

[mystiroakey]

Mourinho.performed
Di Mateo. Performed
Benitez . Performed.
Avb. Not as bad as moyes. Did ok,

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

Apologies, I wrote that like I was a fan of them or particularly cared. I agree with your point, I kind of felt like they couldve gone short term initially, but then the guy who comes in who has to do the long term stuff doesnt even get the initial excuse of "replacing the legend". The club needs a bit of an overhaul, Moyes has known that since he walked in. Unfortunately, the Premier League was at such a different pace this year. Fergie's always had little dips in his United regenerations, he got away with it last year and now the work has started. Before any appointment the whole world said "the new gaffer will need time". We'll see

[Champagne_Socialist]

Mourinho.performed
Di Mateo. Performed
Benitez . Performed.
Avb. Not as bad as moyes. Did ok,

I am pretty sure Mourinho quit, he wasn't sacked (officially).

Benitez was disliked by the fans and failed to win the club world championship.

the season AVB was in charge Chelsea finished 6th!!!! that is underperforming. They won the fa cup and CL under di mateo.

What has happened to di mateo? why hs he not been offered a job he has won the fa cup and champions league as a manager.

[mystiroakey]

Ancelotti as well though.. He did well

[mystiroakey]

Di Mateo would be working if he wanted to. I am sure he has turned down plenty of offers already

[Champagne_Socialist]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

Apologies, I wrote that like I was a fan of them or particularly cared. I agree with your point, I kind of felt like they couldve gone short term initially, but then the guy who comes in who has to do the long term stuff doesnt even get the initial excuse of "replacing the legend". The club needs a bit of an overhaul, Moyes has known that since he walked in. Unfortunately, the Premier League was at such a different pace this year. Fergie's always had little dips in his United regenerations, he got away with it last year and now the work has started. Before any appointment the whole world said "the new gaffer will need time". We'll see

If united finish 5th and rooney and vidic leave and possibly RVP then United will have to spend over 100 million to replace them all. They already spent 100 million on players for 2013/2014 season.

I think the cl spot for united is so important this year because they need to replace players but they need the cl so that they cn attract the best players.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Di Mateo would be working if he wanted to. I am sure he has turned down plenty of offers already

I would think so but whenever there is a vacancy his name is never mentioned.

[GSC]

The problem with RDM is while he won a CL, Chelseas league run was dire and the CL win was one of the flukiest I remember. Makes it hard to predict where his stock actually is

[Champagne_Socialist]

The problem with RDM is while he won a CL, Chelseas league run was dire and the CL win was one of the flukiest I remember. Makes it hard to predict where his stock actually is

true but chelsea did beat the two best teams in the world in barcelona and bayern munich.

He also won the fa cup.

[mystiroakey]

He was offered the job at PSG mate..and turned it down

I think lesser clubs have also tried and its now becoming pointless to try and get him..He will manage when he is ready at a decent club

[GSC]

He was considered Myst. He was never offered it.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Let's not forget RDM was also sacked by WBA, as GSC says hard to gauge where he's at. AVB is a proven Prem failure at this moment in time

[NickisBHAFC]

That was a stupid sacking by West Brom.

They do love to do stupid sackings now that i think about it.

[Duty281]

West Brom are still recovering after the English messiah left to a higher calling.

#loveyouroy #royhodgsonsbarmyarmy #inroywetrust #roysgreatescape

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

Apologies, I wrote that like I was a fan of them or particularly cared. I agree with your point, I kind of felt like they couldve gone short term initially, but then the guy who comes in who has to do the long term stuff doesnt even get the initial excuse of "replacing the legend". The club needs a bit of an overhaul, Moyes has known that since he walked in. Unfortunately, the Premier League was at such a different pace this year. Fergie's always had little dips in his United regenerations, he got away with it last year and now the work has started. Before any appointment the whole world said "the new gaffer will need time". We'll see

If united finish 5th and rooney and vidic leave and possibly RVP then United will have to spend over 100 million to replace them all. They already spent 100 million on players for 2013/2014 season.

I think the cl spot for united is so important this year because they need to replace players but they need the cl so that they cn attract the best players.

Vidic needs replacing anyway, Champions League or not. And hes gonna go so they'll have to do it. What they can do is take a year of less pressure. It'll be top four goal next season. They have to outdo Tottenham, Everton and Liverpool in the transfer window. Considering they have an increasingly likely to stay Rooney, Mata, Carrick, Januzaj and could well keep RVP, they won't have to do anywhere near as much as Liverpool, Tottenham or others to be title challengers.

There are quality players who don't play Champions League football. Or who would like to move to England. Or who will get drawn by the Manchester United legacy. Or for money. Either way, they won't be desperation buys. If they can pick up players like a when Spurs picked up Vertonghen, well they compliment their squad with new talent.

Manchester United in the summer will be fascinating.

[Hammersmith harrier]

The thing is we brought in Mata at a time when it was looking increasingly likely we'll finish outside the top four so really can't see us struggling to bring world class players in. Money and the name is more than enough, for a lesser team like Tottenham champions league football is more important to attract the top players.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Moyes just baffles me beyond belief.

£37 million playmaker, put on the wing and completely ineffective.

Need goals so he puts our top scorer in centre midfield.

Plays Valencia at right back when he is clueless there, of course fulham got in down his side- lets it happen every time he plays there.

Please just go now moyes.

mata was not what they needed, rooney plays in mata's fav position just behind the striker so mata has to play on the wing where he is no where near as good.

man u def needed cm or defenders this january

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

Apologies, I wrote that like I was a fan of them or particularly cared. I agree with your point, I kind of felt like they couldve gone short term initially, but then the guy who comes in who has to do the long term stuff doesnt even get the initial excuse of "replacing the legend". The club needs a bit of an overhaul, Moyes has known that since he walked in. Unfortunately, the Premier League was at such a different pace this year. Fergie's always had little dips in his United regenerations, he got away with it last year and now the work has started. Before any appointment the whole world said "the new gaffer will need time". We'll see

If united finish 5th and rooney and vidic leave and possibly RVP then United will have to spend over 100 million to replace them all. They already spent 100 million on players for 2013/2014 season.

I think the cl spot for united is so important this year because they need to replace players but they need the cl so that they cn attract the best players.

Vidic needs replacing anyway, Champions League or not. And hes gonna go so they'll have to do it. What they can do is take a year of less pressure. It'll be top four goal next season. They have to outdo Tottenham, Everton and Liverpool in the transfer window. Considering they have an increasingly likely to stay Rooney, Mata, Carrick, Januzaj and could well keep RVP, they won't have to do anywhere near as much as Liverpool, Tottenham or others to be title challengers.

There are quality players who don't play Champions League football. Or who would like to move to England. Or who will get drawn by the Manchester United legacy. Or for money. Either way, they won't be desperation buys. If they can pick up players like a when Spurs picked up Vertonghen, well they compliment their squad with new talent.

Manchester United in the summer will be fascinating.

Liverpool have managed to get in the likes of Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge, Spurs the likes of Lamela and Eriksen, you can still attract real quality despite no CL football. Just a little bit harder

[Champagne_Socialist]

Mourinho would have left after a year or two and this would have happened again. Plus hes a swine.

Klopp was my first choice, Moyes second. Time will tell, whole page of people slating Moyes who will go on to lament the lack of long-term planning and patience in modern football.

And Mysti, I was blaming Rooney (and RVP) for United not holding onto that. Their problems this season have been mental, you can never truly estimate how much its done to the mentality of all those players.

Moyes must be desperate for the season to end and the clear-out to begin.

But that is what you needed, a superstar manager to replace saf who will instantly replicate the success saf created. If mourinho was there for 3 years then left then there would be less pressure on the next manager because he would be replacing a short term manager rather than a manager who was there for 25 years and won everything.

Apologies, I wrote that like I was a fan of them or particularly cared. I agree with your point, I kind of felt like they couldve gone short term initially, but then the guy who comes in who has to do the long term stuff doesnt even get the initial excuse of "replacing the legend". The club needs a bit of an overhaul, Moyes has known that since he walked in. Unfortunately, the Premier League was at such a different pace this year. Fergie's always had little dips in his United regenerations, he got away with it last year and now the work has started. Before any appointment the whole world said "the new gaffer will need time". We'll see

If united finish 5th and rooney and vidic leave and possibly RVP then United will have to spend over 100 million to replace them all. They already spent 100 million on players for 2013/2014 season.

I think the cl spot for united is so important this year because they need to replace players but they need the cl so that they cn attract the best players.

Vidic needs replacing anyway, Champions League or not. And hes gonna go so they'll have to do it. What they can do is take a year of less pressure. It'll be top four goal next season. They have to outdo Tottenham, Everton and Liverpool in the transfer window. Considering they have an increasingly likely to stay Rooney, Mata, Carrick, Januzaj and could well keep RVP, they won't have to do anywhere near as much as Liverpool, Tottenham or others to be title challengers.

There are quality players who don't play Champions League football. Or who would like to move to England. Or who will get drawn by the Manchester United legacy. Or for money. Either way, they won't be desperation buys. If they can pick up players like a when Spurs picked up Vertonghen, well they compliment their squad with new talent.

Manchester United in the summer will be fascinating.

Liverpool have managed to get in the likes of Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge, Spurs the likes of Lamela and Eriksen, you can still attract real quality despite no CL football. Just a little bit harder

But those players were not top class when they were bought. Eriksen was playing in the dutch league for ajax and was seen as a prospect rather than a world class talent. Suarez was playing in the dutch league as well. Sturridge was seen as a flop having failed at man city and at chelsea, he was not seen as top class.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

But they are top class players. Who cares what they're seen as.

[Champagne_Socialist]

But they are top class players. Who cares what they're seen as.

top class players now, not at the time they were bought.

[compelling and rich]

cant say i was surprised by the fulham game, i even said we would struggle beforehand. thats how much faith i have in this team under moyes. yes moyes did a good job at everton. but as i said before his appointment how does that qualify you as uniteds next manager. totally different jobs, moyes has never won a trophy. redknapp, martinez, laudrup , mcgleish, ramos and o'neil have all won a trophy at lesser clubs and some of those names are pretty poor records.

i dont think we'll fall into a sacking culture like other clubs if we were to get rid of moyes, just look how the fans are still backing the team and moyes every week. nearly any other club in this situation the team would be getting booed off and moyes would have already been sacked.

i think most united fans were expecting a season of transition and one that we probably wouldnt be challenging for the title, but dont think any thought we'd be as bad as we've been. think ive been OT 5 times this season and only seen us win once!! a lot of those games were against teams who were struggling. we dont look like were playing to any kind of game plan, unless you count get it wide aimless cross in the box with no forwards attacking it as a moyes tactic.

every man and his dog could tell you we needed a CM this season, moyes brings in one who's been less than useless for 27mil! even more frightening is his statement that fellaini is the best belgium in the premier league!! we then sat back didnt buy anyone else and moyes just complained its hard to buy people in jan!! why do you think all united fans were fuming at our business in the summer!!

moyes wont be sacked this season, he'll get majority of next. if were still doing poorly this time next season he has to go. we cant afford to just keep giving him shed loads of money if he's not capable of forming a team thats works as a unit. which is pretty much is what he has done with two signings worth nearly 60mil

[Dolphin Ziggler]

But they are top class players. Who cares what they're seen as.

top class players now, not at the time they were bought.

But they wouldnt be joining a team to lead it. They would be joining a team with more quality than Spurs and Liverpool had at the time. And they'll likely have a season before they need to be top class. They would arrive as top four good enough.

If you put in a Vertonghen and Paulinho into United's team now then they'd be immensely better. A Baines etc etc.

They are likely to be joining a team with Rooney and Mata. Carrick, De Gea and Januzaj. Probably RVP. Its not exactly "come play with Michael Dawson and Aaron Lennon!"

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