Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Duty281]

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And Hoddle's ex girlfriend was this faith healer's daughter...isn't love sweet?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Thats the main problem with Richards. Cos he hasnt really played as much as people assumed, hes stuck in a memory that people have of this young lad bundling up the right for England.

Time has moved on, he hasnt. For every year he stays at City I care less and less for him.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So long as Kyle Walker doesn't start at RB I'll be happy

[mystiroakey]

Thinking about it. If johnson doesnt get a game. It will be Kyle. Who else can play?

[mystiroakey]

I would rather play ward tbh!!

Up the palace. Lets get an England player

[Duty281]

Phil Jones or Chris Smalling or even James Milner can play at RB.

[mystiroakey]

smalling i suppose is the best prospect, as cahil and jones are probably first choice CB's for me- but Germany made him look stupid.

[Duty281]

I know who my first choice centre-back for England is - and it will only take one phone call from Roy Hodgson to bring him back.

[Guest]

I know who my first choice centre-back for England is - and it will only take one phone call from Roy Hodgson to bring him back.

Does Roy even have Rio's number any more?

[owen10ozzy]

Below are statistics for LEFT - Rafael (12-13) & RIGHT - Richards (11-12) during their clubs title winning seasons:

Tackle Win % - (71%) - (75%)
Ground Duel Win % -  (67%) - (58%)
Aeriel Win % - (60%) - (74%)
Fouls - (36) - (39)
Blocks - (7) - (13)
Clean Sheets - (9) - (11)
Errors Leading To Goal - (1) - (0)

Pass Accuracy -  (84%) - (82%)
Cross Accuracy - (25%) - (18%)
Chances Created - (24) -
Crosses - (82) - (33)
Assists - (3) - (6)

Defensively Richards looks the more solid off the two; shock given plenty seem to think he has pace & that's it!

Going forward Rafael is certainly the more offensive minded, yet he came away with less assists despite having 2 & half times more crosses and a 7% higher cross completion rate.

[Duty281]

I know who my first choice centre-back for England is - and it will only take one phone call from Roy Hodgson to bring him back.

Does Roy even have Rio's number any more?

I like it, sir, I rather like it.   

I was of course referring to John George Terry.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd rather the remains of Rio playing to be honest.

[Duty281]

I want an English lion playing though - John Terry springs to mind.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You have no shame though Duty, I'd rather stick with my morals instead of selling out.

[NickisBHAFC]

Terry 100% over Rio, who lets face it, is pretty rubbish these days.

For England though i would actually play 532

With Milner or Johnson as RFB and Baines at LFB. With Cahill, Jagileka and if Woy makes the call John Terry.

[Duty281]

Who am I to judge someone? I've probably done a bit worse in my past as well, so it would be a tad hypocritical.

I only care about the bleedin' football; not what goes on off the pitch.

He's our best defender, he should play. Here endeth the lesson.

[GSC]

I think England managers are done with 5-3-2

[Hammersmith harrier]

Who am I to accept a racist playing for my national team?

Like I said you have a proven track record for such things here ends my lesson.

[GSC]

No to a guy cleared of racism but a guy who shagged his brothers missus is a club legend

[Duty281]

Who am I to accept a racist playing for my national team?

Like I said you have a proven track record for such things here ends my lesson.

Except of course, John Terry isn't a racist, my dear.

We've been over this. If Ashley Cole is willing to speak on the man's behalf, that's good enough for me.

[Duty281]

No to a guy cleared of racism but a guy who shagged his brothers missus is a club legend

    

[GSC]

No guys, John Terry's the racist and any black person who doesn't agree is a choc ice according to Manchester Uniteds Rio Ferdinand

[Hammersmith harrier]

In my opinion he is racist.

[GSC]

I mean really, if we're going to stop bumholes from playing for the England Football Team, only Milner and Walcott might as well bother boarding the plane

[Duty281]

Oh yes I forgot about that. Ashley Cole is only black on the outside; he's a white man inside.

Or whatever rubbish Rio was spouting about.

[Duty281]

In my opinion he is racist.

Based on....?

4 words said in the heat of the moment?   

[GSC]

In my opinion you're an Austrian Panda

I have just as much basis for that opinion as you do

[Hammersmith harrier]

In short yes, then there's also the Ledley King incident which gets conveniently forgotten.

[Duty281]

In short yes, then there's also the Ledley King incident which gets conveniently forgotten.

Just a rumour that one, never seen any evidence for it.

If Terry was a born and bred Mancunian who played for United, you'd be defending him.   

[Hammersmith harrier]

Thankfully i'm not that fickle in my views.

[Duty281]

Oooohhhh, he's getting personal!

Handbag away, please, Dorothy.

We've been over this as well. I've already said that I believe what Terry said was stupid and unprofessional, and he should have been suspended for a couple of games and fined, but he's not a racist.

I cant fathom how a professional footballer in the 21st century, at the top level, can be racist. If he has a problem with non-white people, as you appear to be suggesting, why has he played for most of his career alongside Ashley Cole? Why has he played in the same teams as Luiz, Mikel, Essien, Demba Ba, Eto'o, Johnson etc., if he has a problem with non-white people?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Are you actually that stupid to think that's a defence?

[Duty281]

So, in your opinion, he has a problem with non-white people but doesn't mind playing in the same team as them? And John Terry crediting Marcel Desailly as one of the greatest influences on his career fits in where...?

And you still haven't put the handbag away.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Below are statistics for LEFT - Rafael (12-13) & RIGHT - Richards (11-12) during their clubs title winning seasons:

Tackle Win % - (71%) - (75%)
Ground Duel Win % -  (67%) - (58%)
Aeriel Win % - (60%) - (74%)
Fouls - (36) - (39)
Blocks - (7) - (13)
Clean Sheets - (9) - (11)
Errors Leading To Goal - (1) - (0)

Pass Accuracy -  (84%) - (82%)
Cross Accuracy - (25%) - (18%)
Chances Created - (24) -
Crosses - (82) - (33)
Assists - (3) - (6)

Defensively Richards looks the more solid off the two; shock given plenty seem to think he has pace & that's it!

Going forward Rafael is certainly the more offensive minded, yet he came away with less assists despite having 2 & half times more crosses and a 7% higher cross completion rate.

Are we talking about a side that was a) set up more defensively b) a better title winning City side?

I don't think theres anything that these stats actually add to the conversation. 58% ground duel win for Richards is poor for someone with aspirations to be a centre back.

Arguably, one of those players has gone on and done something since 11/12, and its not been Richards.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

So, in your opinion, he has a problem with non-white people but doesn't mind playing in the same team as them? And John Terry crediting Marcel Desailly as one of the greatest influences on his career fits in where...?

And you still haven't put the handbag away.

I have a problem with someone who is so pathetic as to use race to verbally abuse someone, whether or not they have racist views. That for me is low and pathetic.

Let alone that Terry really isnt that good anymore.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I appreciate you're only young so probably lacking in the required intellect to discuss such things but simply saying that because he's played in the same team as Cole means he isn't racist is the sort of thing a pre school kid would come out with.

[owen10ozzy]

I would take neither for England right now; both are too old, had to many chances to help do something for the national side and failed. Ferdinand is not without controversy in his past...Terry has proven to be a troublesome player inside the camp & that includes Chelsea's...be it racism, shagging team mates wives, moments of stupidity (i.e. Champions League Barca)...or putting his two pence in on managers.

[Duty281]

I appreciate you're only young so probably lacking in the required intellect to discuss such things but simply saying that because he's played in the same team as Cole means he isn't racist is the sort of thing a pre school kid would come out with.

There's only one fellow here lacking in intellect, and it certainly isn't me.

[Duty281]

So, in your opinion, he has a problem with non-white people but doesn't mind playing in the same team as them? And John Terry crediting Marcel Desailly as one of the greatest influences on his career fits in where...?

And you still haven't put the handbag away.

I have a problem with someone who is so pathetic as to use race to verbally abuse someone, whether or not they have racist views. That for me is low and pathetic.

Let alone that Terry really isnt that good anymore.

Oh yes he's never seemed like the most likeable of chaps, but there we go. Same goes for quite a few footballers today.

And isn't that good? Oh come now. Played every minute for Chelsea in the PL this season up until Saturday, and they have the best defence in the league.

[Hammersmith harrier]

If I work with a black man and a homosexual that means I can't be either racist or homophobic?

[Duty281]

If I work with a black man and a homosexual that means I can't be either racist or homophobic?

What about the bit where Terry says Desailly is one of the greatest influences on his career?

[GSC]

Terry might not be the nicest guy but when your defense of calling him a racist is its your opinion, you shouldn't really go around accusing others of a lack of intelligence

[Hammersmith harrier]

I knew the education system had gone downhill but I didn't think it had gone downhill quite this much.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Terry might not be the nicest guy but when your defense of calling him a racist is its your opinion, you shouldn't really go around accusing others of a lack of intelligence

It's my opinion based on what he has said, as far as i'm concerned anybody making racist comments is racist.

[mystiroakey]

Why are we so harsh on our own players making a racist gesture, - note that doesn't mean he is inherently racist anyway..

Everyone seems to relish the prospect of watching suraez in the World Cup.

Do people let him off because he is foreign.

Isn't that in fact more racist than forgiving terry. Or holding them both to the same judgement...


Don't give me the excuse that Suarez is so good he gives us more positives and terry is too old. That makes a mockery of the racist excuse in the first place.

Reasons to play terry.

Experienced. Good leader . Partner of Cahill who should be the no 1 cb..

Reasons not to.

Better players out there that will fit with Cahill.

..

[Hammersmith harrier]

My views on Suarez are well known Mysti but unlike Terry he at least has the 'culture' excuse.

[Duty281]

I knew the education system had gone downhill but I didn't think it had gone downhill quite this much.

And yet here you are.

[mystiroakey]

My views on Suarez are well known Mysti but unlike Terry he at least has the 'culture' excuse.

That s not good enough for me mate.


Terry comes from a very bad chav culture himself- His mum has been caught thieving recently. 

I cant forgive one and not the other. 

But I do forgive both.

[owen10ozzy]

Below are statistics for LEFT - Rafael (12-13) & RIGHT - Richards (11-12) during their clubs title winning seasons:

Tackle Win % - (71%) - (75%)
Ground Duel Win % -  (67%) - (58%)
Aeriel Win % - (60%) - (74%)
Fouls - (36) - (39)
Blocks - (7) - (13)
Clean Sheets - (9) - (11)
Errors Leading To Goal - (1) - (0)

Pass Accuracy -  (84%) - (82%)
Cross Accuracy - (25%) - (18%)
Chances Created - (24) -
Crosses - (82) - (33)
Assists - (3) - (6)

Defensively Richards looks the more solid off the two; shock given plenty seem to think he has pace & that's it!

Going forward Rafael is certainly the more offensive minded, yet he came away with less assists despite having 2 & half times more crosses and a 7% higher cross completion rate.

Are we talking about a side that was a) set up more defensively b) a better title winning City side?

I don't think theres anything that these stats actually add to the conversation. 58% ground duel win for Richards is poor for someone with aspirations to be a centre back.

Arguably, one of those players has gone on and done something since 11/12, and its not been Richards.

But we aren't talking about him as a CB; i'm discussing him as a RB and in his best season at City comparable to Rafael's best (last year) he comes out on top in the defensive stats. Whilst he languishes in crosses & cross percentage he still came away with more assists than Rafael.

Fair enough, Rafael is now 1st choice where as Richards has been unable to break back into the City side. Would Rafael be first choice if he had world class competition for his place? I highly doubt it.

[Duty281]

If I work with a black man and a homosexual that means I can't be either racist or homophobic?

What about the bit where Terry says Desailly is one of the greatest influences on his career?

No answer to this then, Hammersmith?

Does it not tally with your "John Terry is racist" line?  

[Hammersmith harrier]

I forgive neither but as an Englishmen brought up in England, Terry should know better, Suarez I think is just a horrible piece of work anyway.

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